(08-04-2023 10:03 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 09:08 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 08:56 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Why?
WVU.
KState.

They only put up with WasSU and OrSU because they were legacy.

Well, if they rebuild the PAC, they’ll have to add schools like UNLV, New Mexico, Fresno State and possibly even Boise State. How is that any better than joining a conference with WVU or Kansas State?

Right. That's why they probably aren't rebuilding.

< ding >
Winner.

Cali-Stan will either (a) see WasSU and OrSU leave, or (b) leave.

Cal is much more open to the Big 12 than anyone here realizes. The entire UC Regents UCLA shakedown was driven by Cal's Stadium retrofit debt problem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California..._financing

Cal is freaking desperate. Their athletic department is already in crisis. Unfortunately this makes them pretty untouchable for realignment for the B1G and Big 12.

(08-04-2023 10:23 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 10:20 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 10:18 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Because their students would need safe spaces when BYU comes to town.

Stanford plays BYU.

Playing and sharing a conference are two different animals.

Bingo.

(08-04-2023 10:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Cal is much more open to the Big 12 than anyone here realizes. The entire UC Regents UCLA shakedown was driven by Cal's Stadium retrofit debt problem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California..._financing

Cal is freaking desperate. Their athletic department is already in crisis. Unfortunately this makes them pretty untouchable for realignment for the B1G and Big 12.

I knew Cal was in a bad way, but ... Hoe-Leigh-Scheitballs!

Egos, mostly I would wager. With acceptance rates below 20% they'd probably rather go independent than play with schools in Texas or anywhere beyond Colorado and Arizona.

(08-04-2023 10:28 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 10:23 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 10:20 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 10:18 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Because their students would need safe spaces when BYU comes to town.

Stanford plays BYU.

Playing and sharing a conference are two different animals.

Bingo.

You are the company you keep.

Nobody wants the people who run Cal in their corporate decision tree.

(08-04-2023 10:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 08:59 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Cal and Stanford can survive and rebuild the Pac, go independent, join the ACC...they have plenty of options. Give both sides some time to process everything, see what happens with the ACC in the next year/decade/whatever, and it's possible that both the Big 12 and Cal/Stanford reconsider their potential future relationship.

Like I said before, they can't go Independent in football since they have no access into the playoffs.

They have access to the playoffs there are at least six at-large spots, though sounds like that might end up being 7.

They just wouldn't have access as one of the 6 or 5 highest rated conference champions.

BXII would be crazy not to go after Cal and Furd.

Football drives the bus and the BXII now has too many schools feeding at the TX trough with respect to recruiting footprint. Talk of OSU, WSU, Gonzaga, UConn is ridiculous. There’s no talent there. The B12 needs to diversify its recruiting footprint with some combo of cal, Stanford, SDSU, and USF. Preferably all four.

Is there a chance that they U. Chicago it and drop sports?

(08-05-2023 12:33 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  Is there a chance that they U. Chicago it and drop sports?

Stanford claims the most successful all-around athletic department in the country. The school is not about to drop sports.

Cal is getting a percentage of UCLA's B1G boost to help it upgrade athletic facilities. The school is not about to drop sports.

And the University of Chicago did not drop sports. The Maroons just opted out of playing American football.

https://athletics.uchicago.edu

(08-04-2023 10:06 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 08:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  You assume the Big 12 wants them.

Look who's snobby now.

(08-04-2023 10:12 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 10:06 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 08:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  You assume the Big 12 wants them.

Look who's snobby now.

Probably because the networks won't authorize more money.

There was nothing stopping the Big 12 from taking them before Utah and Arizona State. If the Big 12 thought a 2nd school in Arizona and a school in Utah are more valuable than schools in California when they have none and schools in Salt Lake City and Phoenix (or Tuscon if you consider ASU the first Arizona school) more valuable than schools in the San Francisco area, the Big 12 doesn't think much of Cal and Stanford. 4th time zone my butt. In November, the most important month of football, the current Big 12 still doesn't have any Pacific Time Zone teams.

Theyd rather be in the B1G or ACC. Independence after that. Big 12 as the last option before staying and adding or joining MW schools.

Why are Stanford and Cal so resistant to joining the Big 12?

They're better than us. Just ask them.

They’re going to lobby for a spot in the B1G and failing that will be 17/18 in the BigXII. Because that’s what any sane school would do in their position.

(08-05-2023 12:58 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Why are Stanford and Cal so resistant to joining the Big 12?

They're better than us. Just ask them.

Don’t be delusional. They are better than us. But their options might not be.

(08-05-2023 01:02 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(08-05-2023 12:58 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Why are Stanford and Cal so resistant to joining the Big 12?

They're better than us. Just ask them.

Don’t be delusional. They are better than us. But their options might not be.

Wow. Maybe you, bro.

(08-05-2023 01:02 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(08-05-2023 12:58 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Why are Stanford and Cal so resistant to joining the Big 12?

They're better than us. Just ask them.

Don’t be delusional. They are better than us. But their options might not be.

Wow, yeah,, cool if you think that, but I will not believe that.

(08-04-2023 10:15 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I just pray they don't join the ACC. Surely the ACC didn't join the feeding fest because no one added revenue, not because they were so slow to act they got stuck with the left overs.

adding stanford and cal in some capacity, obviously it would need to be more than those 2 though, is not a terrible idea as it will allow us to get more money just from acc network distributions for California and the 1/2 a game additional inventory from the Stanford/ Notre Dame agreement. The travel for just football wouldnt be that bad with only 3 permanent rivals

(08-04-2023 08:53 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  Conferences that can't count are frowned upon.

Weren’t y’all the first league who “couldn’t count” as you put it? Sit down.