I know common thought is reloading with others, keeping whatever value the brand has and it technical autonomy status, and most of all keeping all the basketball credits.

However, think how hard that is gonna be. There is NO media contract in 1 year from now. Zippy, zilch, nada. When you invite a school from the G5 ranks, they need to know what they will be making in order to make a decision if it would be worth it. The PAC cannot even negotiate a media deal without knowledge of who their conference members are. The G5 callups cannot accept an invite without a deal in place, which is impossible to do.

Only scenario seems herculean....... fire that idiot GK, go to the market again and ask each media bidder to theoretically comprise a conference made up with G5 additions that would maximize a pay. You choose the highest bidder, then offer invites to those schools and pray they accept, which they may not even do if it's not worth it........then back to square 1.

Honestly, I see absolutely no path for the conference to survive.

(08-04-2023 07:18 PM)otown Wrote:  I know common thought is reloading with others, keeping whatever value the brand has and it technical autonomy status, and most of all keeping all the basketball credits.

However, think how hard that is gonna be. There is NO media contract in 1 year from now. Zippy, zilch, nada. When you invite a school from the G5 ranks, they need to know what they will be making in order to make a decision if it would be worth it. The PAC cannot even negotiate a media deal without knowledge of who their conference members are. The G5 callups cannot accept an invite without a deal in place, which is impossible to do.

Only scenario seems herculean....... fire that idiot GK, go to the market again and ask each media bidder to theoretically comprise a conference made up with G5 additions that would maximize a pay. You choose the highest bidder, then offer invites to those schools and pray they accept, which they may not even do if it's not worth it........then back to square 1.

Honestly, I see absolutely no path for the conference to survive.

Survival is easy. Just invite the best MW schools and you are GTG. What’s the alternative? Going Indy and not getting a big CFP paycheck and playoff spot is not better.

I kinda think this was the big tens plan truthfully, have oregon and washinbgton stall the media contract so that there are minimal exit fees

Magnolia (plus OSU/WSU)

Tulane, Rice, SMU, USF in the East

Consider Buffalo, Temple, CSU, SDSU and others for a mix of reasons. Maybe stick at 10 and position yourself to scoop up Duke et al in a couple years.

I can't see the PAC 4 reload because Cal/Stan are too snobby for it in addition to not having a media contract.

If Cal/Stan don't get a life line from the B1G or ACC they'll go independent.

WSU/OSU will try and keep the credits and fold the MWC under the PAC banner.

Is it really worth it to AAC and MWC schools to pay an $18M exit fee (AAC) or $34M exit fee (MWC) to join a league without a TV deal? What value does the Pac-4 plus 4-6 G5 schools really have?

MWC TV distributions per school: ~$4M
AAC TV distributions per school: ~$7M

Cal/Stan also can survive without a CFP annual payout.

If they do make the playoffs they can keep all of the money for themselves.

(08-04-2023 07:21 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Survival is easy. Just invite the best MW schools ...

Just the matter of a $34M one year notice MWC buy-out.

(08-04-2023 07:27 PM)mvfcfan Wrote:  Is it really worth it to AAC and MWC schools to pay an $18M exit fee (AAC) or $34M exit fee (MWC) to join a league without a TV deal? What value does the Pac-4 plus 4-6 G5 schools really have?

MWC TV distributions per school: ~$4M
AAC TV distributions per school: ~$7M

G5 moves have been made for smaller payout differences before though.

Maybe 10M if ESPN can get behind it.

(08-04-2023 07:27 PM)mvfcfan Wrote:  What value does the Pac-4 plus 4-6 G5 schools really have?

Zip dot squat. And you round that down to nada.

(08-04-2023 07:21 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 07:18 PM)otown Wrote:  I know common thought is reloading with others, keeping whatever value the brand has and it technical autonomy status, and most of all keeping all the basketball credits.

However, think how hard that is gonna be. There is NO media contract in 1 year from now. Zippy, zilch, nada. When you invite a school from the G5 ranks, they need to know what they will be making in order to make a decision if it would be worth it. The PAC cannot even negotiate a media deal without knowledge of who their conference members are. The G5 callups cannot accept an invite without a deal in place, which is impossible to do.

Only scenario seems herculean....... fire that idiot GK, go to the market again and ask each media bidder to theoretically comprise a conference made up with G5 additions that would maximize a pay. You choose the highest bidder, then offer invites to those schools and pray they accept, which they may not even do if it's not worth it........then back to square 1.

Honestly, I see absolutely no path for the conference to survive.

Survival is easy. Just invite the best MW schools and you are GTG. What’s the alternative? Going Indy and not getting a big CFP paycheck and playoff spot is not better.

How? Those MWC schools would have to pay an exit fee. They currently have their budgets set. They need to know what they are walking into. The PAC will have no media deal in place.

(08-04-2023 07:22 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  I kinda think this was the big tens plan truthfully, have oregon and washinbgton stall the media contract so that there are minimal exit fees

The PAC already didn’t have exit fees.

It seems like Oregon and Washington stalled the TV contract just so they could get Colorado and Arizona to leave the conference and the Big 10 could take Oregon and Washington but claim that it was really the Big 12 who destroyed the PAC.

(08-04-2023 07:29 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 07:21 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Survival is easy. Just invite the best MW schools ...

Just the matter of a $34M one year notice MWC buy-out.

The access and money that comes with it is probably worth it.

I'm not even sure it's possible. MWC has too big of a buyout. Only schools I can think of that might be interested other than them could be the AAC western private schools. And is it even worth it? What's the TV deal going to be down to??? $10M per school for streaming? What's the lure? To say you're in a conference with Stanford and Cal? The only schools that I can possibly think have the money and MIGHT want to do that would be Rice, Tulane and SMU.

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(08-04-2023 07:28 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  Cal/Stan also can survive without a CFP annual payout.

If they do make the playoffs they can keep all of the money for themselves.

Idk about cal with all the debt and the stadium remodel. Stanford can.

(08-04-2023 07:18 PM)otown Wrote:  I know common thought is reloading with others, keeping whatever value the brand has and it technical autonomy status, and most of all keeping all the basketball credits.

However, think how hard that is gonna be. There is NO media contract in 1 year from now. Zippy, zilch, nada. When you invite a school from the G5 ranks, they need to know what they will be making in order to make a decision if it would be worth it. The PAC cannot even negotiate a media deal without knowledge of who their conference members are. The G5 callups cannot accept an invite without a deal in place, which is impossible to do.

Only scenario seems herculean....... fire that idiot GK, go to the market again and ask each media bidder to theoretically comprise a conference made up with G5 additions that would maximize a pay. You choose the highest bidder, then offer invites to those schools and pray they accept, which they may not even do if it's not worth it........then back to square 1.

Honestly, I see absolutely no path for the conference to survive.

Assuming they all 4 stick around?

SDSU
SMU
AFA
Boise
Fresno
UNLV
Memphis
Tulane
CSU
Rice
UTSA
USF
UNR
UNM

Pick 6-10 of those and they'll get ~ $10m on a short term deal, with potential for it to increase significantly over time as the new schools grow.

(08-04-2023 07:22 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  I kinda think this was the big tens plan truthfully, have oregon and washinbgton stall the media contract so that there are minimal exit fees

The PAC12 doesn't have exit fees. That's one of the many reasons why they are so effed right now. Schools can leave with no penalty.

(08-04-2023 07:30 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 07:27 PM)mvfcfan Wrote:  Is it really worth it to AAC and MWC schools to pay an $18M exit fee (AAC) or $34M exit fee (MWC) to join a league without a TV deal? What value does the Pac-4 plus 4-6 G5 schools really have?

MWC TV distributions per school: ~$4M
AAC TV distributions per school: ~$7M

G5 moves have been made for smaller payout differences before though.

Maybe 10M if ESPN can get behind it.

They have, but they paid the CUSA exit fee to do it.

(08-04-2023 07:31 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 07:29 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 07:21 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Survival is easy. Just invite the best MW schools ...

Just the matter of a $34M one year notice MWC buy-out.

The access and money that comes with it is probably worth it.

Do explain. What money.

The PAC owes Comcast $50M. The PAC couldn't get $20M; no way any slap-dazzle group of PAC-MWC is getting that much less $10M.

(08-04-2023 07:22 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  I kinda think this was the big tens plan truthfully, have oregon and washinbgton stall the media contract so that there are minimal exit fees

Exit fee was always going to be 0. B1G was worried about having blood on their hands. At least this way they can claim that Yormark and the 12 Grenadiers were co-conspirators.