(08-04-2023 11:04 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Stanford and Cal should look at implementing a variation on the Hawaii deal. Put football in the B1G or ACC while moving Olympic sports to the Big West, which is already home to five UCs and an academically solid Hawaii.

Another variation on this theme would be for Stanford and Cal to put football in the B1G or ACC while transforming the Pac into a non-football conference by adding the five UC schools and Hawaii from the Big West. The Pac-8 is reborn!

UC-Berkeley being associated in any way with Northridge, Long Beach, and the rest of the Cal States? They would join the WCC first.

(08-04-2023 11:04 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Stanford and Cal should look at implementing a variation on the Hawaii deal. Put football in the B1G or ACC while moving Olympic sports to the Big West, which is already home to five UCs and an academically solid Hawaii.

Another variation on this theme would be for Stanford and Cal to put football in the B1G or ACC while transforming the Pac into a non-football conference by adding the five UC schools and Hawaii from the Big West. The Pac-8 is reborn!

That's a possibility. Full membership in the ACC is nonsense. Further travel than the Big 10 with half the money.

(08-04-2023 11:13 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 11:10 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  How about this...

B1G - Oregon and Washington
BigXII - Colorado and Arizona
ACC - ASU, Utah, Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU

Seriously doubt this would happen but that would be one heck of a twist in this story.

Or, if Ariz St and Utah follow Arizona...

B1G - UCLA, USC, Oregon and Washington
BigXII - Colorado, Arizona, Utah, Arizona St
ACC - Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU

Each gets four...

Or if their is no ACC money for OSU and WSU...

B1G - UCLA, USC, Oregon and Washington
BigXII - Colorado, Arizona, Utah, Arizona St
ACC - Stanford, Cal
MWC - OSU, WSU

Unfortunately for them, no one is taking OSU and WSU unless forced somehow.

(08-04-2023 12:05 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 11:04 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Stanford and Cal should look at implementing a variation on the Hawaii deal. Put football in the B1G or ACC while moving Olympic sports to the Big West, which is already home to five UCs and an academically solid Hawaii.

Another variation on this theme would be for Stanford and Cal to put football in the B1G or ACC while transforming the Pac into a non-football conference by adding the five UC schools and Hawaii from the Big West. The Pac-8 is reborn!

UC-Berkeley being associated in any way with Northridge, Long Beach, and the rest of the Cal States? They would join the WCC first.

Yup, people just don't understand the nuances of these situations and just look at ignorantly from some sort of puzzle perspective.

Football only? Absolutely.

(08-04-2023 12:20 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:05 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 11:04 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Stanford and Cal should look at implementing a variation on the Hawaii deal. Put football in the B1G or ACC while moving Olympic sports to the Big West, which is already home to five UCs and an academically solid Hawaii.

Another variation on this theme would be for Stanford and Cal to put football in the B1G or ACC while transforming the Pac into a non-football conference by adding the five UC schools and Hawaii from the Big West. The Pac-8 is reborn!

UC-Berkeley being associated in any way with Northridge, Long Beach, and the rest of the Cal States? They would join the WCC first.

Yup, people just don't understand the nuances of these situations and just look at ignorantly from some sort of puzzle perspective.

They think everything is about the sports-ball field.

College athletics is a business.
Think like businesses do: partnerships*, markets, profit and loss.

*You are the company you keep.

(08-04-2023 12:20 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:05 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 11:04 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Stanford and Cal should look at implementing a variation on the Hawaii deal. Put football in the B1G or ACC while moving Olympic sports to the Big West, which is already home to five UCs and an academically solid Hawaii.

Another variation on this theme would be for Stanford and Cal to put football in the B1G or ACC while transforming the Pac into a non-football conference by adding the five UC schools and Hawaii from the Big West. The Pac-8 is reborn!

UC-Berkeley being associated in any way with Northridge, Long Beach, and the rest of the Cal States? They would join the WCC first.

Yup, people just don't understand the nuances of these situations and just look at ignorantly from some sort of puzzle perspective.

Hence the variation.

WSU and OSU go to the MWC.

Cal and Stanford put their football teams in a P4 conference and add the five UCs and Hawaii to a non-football Pac-8. Perhaps they cherry pick another couple of schools from the WCC to get to a Pac-10 (Santa Clara, LMU, Gonzaga, and USD are all in the top 100 of the USN&WR "National University" rankings). That solves the travel problem and may be more palatable than just joining the Big West in its current form.

(08-04-2023 12:20 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:05 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 11:04 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Stanford and Cal should look at implementing a variation on the Hawaii deal. Put football in the B1G or ACC while moving Olympic sports to the Big West, which is already home to five UCs and an academically solid Hawaii.

Another variation on this theme would be for Stanford and Cal to put football in the B1G or ACC while transforming the Pac into a non-football conference by adding the five UC schools and Hawaii from the Big West. The Pac-8 is reborn!

UC-Berkeley being associated in any way with Northridge, Long Beach, and the rest of the Cal States? They would join the WCC first.

Yup, people just don't understand the nuances of these situations and just look at ignorantly from some sort of puzzle perspective.

Cal and Stanford don't have a lot of choices at this point.

I think Stanford & Cal would look better in the WCC than the Big West, but they were never overly accepting of BYU in the PAC.

(08-04-2023 12:42 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I think Stanford & Cal would look better in the WCC than the Big West, but they were never overly accepting of BYU in the PAC.

They could split

Stanford to WCC
Cal to Big West

(08-04-2023 12:42 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I think Stanford & Cal would look better in the WCC than the Big West, but they were never overly accepting of BYU in the PAC.

BW has better non-revs. Most of WCC are tiny schools.

(08-04-2023 12:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:42 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I think Stanford & Cal would look better in the WCC than the Big West, but they were never overly accepting of BYU in the PAC.

BW has better non-revs. Most of WCC are tiny schools.

I’m looking at it from a basketball perspective. Gonzaga, St. Mary’s have been consistently really good, and even San Francisco has a decent history.

(08-04-2023 12:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:42 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I think Stanford & Cal would look better in the WCC than the Big West, but they were never overly accepting of BYU in the PAC.

BW has better non-revs. Most of WCC are tiny schools.

That may be true, but you need to think like University Boards of Regents and College Presidents, not just fans or Athletic staff. As long as the concept of "student-athletes" is still a thing, the former will retain having the power, not the latter.

My worst nightmare is getting stuck with the Berkeley bums.
Can someone please explain why Cal, who seemingly brings little athletics value to the B1G, would be a boon for the Big West?

Increases media value? Nope.
Increases national broadcasts? Nope.
Strengthens basketball? Nope.

So, what's the benefit to us?

(08-04-2023 11:15 AM)IWantToTalkToRalphSampson Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 10:54 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Pretty easy to fly to San Francisco than jump to 18 with 1 from SMU, Tulane or UConn without football. I would add UConn without football to pair with ND

The entertainment value from watching the horde of $2 bill spending Clemson fans experience utter and complete culture shock when they visit Berkeley would make this move a good idea in and of itself. Of course, we're dealing with the ACC, so even if they could pull this off, it would end up meaning that the annual ND-Stanford tilt would count as one of the Irish's 5 required ACC games.

That would be exciting - Clemson visiting the Bay Area

(08-04-2023 12:19 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 11:13 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 11:10 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  How about this...

B1G - Oregon and Washington
BigXII - Colorado and Arizona
ACC - ASU, Utah, Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU

Seriously doubt this would happen but that would be one heck of a twist in this story.

Or, if Ariz St and Utah follow Arizona...

B1G - UCLA, USC, Oregon and Washington
BigXII - Colorado, Arizona, Utah, Arizona St
ACC - Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU

Each gets four...

Or if their is no ACC money for OSU and WSU...

B1G - UCLA, USC, Oregon and Washington
BigXII - Colorado, Arizona, Utah, Arizona St
ACC - Stanford, Cal
MWC - OSU, WSU

Unfortunately for them, no one is taking OSU and WSU unless forced somehow.

AAC would definitely take in a package deal of Cal/Stan/OSU/WSU. They could play in a division with Texas schools and have reasonable travel. Independence for Cal/Stan is dicey because fo the TV situation. AAC also has a relatively low exit fee if the B1G comes knocking later.

The problem with the ACC is that it doesn't have any Texas schools in it currently unless they were willing to bring in SMU, Rice and Tulane into the conference. It doesn't seem like it would be financially viable there.

Unless the ACC could pull the full PAC 7 it seems doubtful. Payout might be slightly better in the ACC but travel is better for the 4Cs in the XII.

Should Cali-Stan admit who they are deep down inside and just call the Ivy.

(08-04-2023 01:07 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  AAC would definitely take in a package deal of Cal/Stan/OSU/WSU. They could play in a division with Texas schools and have reasonable travel. Independence for Cal/Stan is dicey because fo the TV situation. AAC also has a relatively low exit fee if the B1G comes knocking later.

The problem with the ACC is that it doesn't have any Texas schools in it currently unless they were willing to bring in SMU, Rice and Tulane into the conference. It doesn't seem like it would be financially viable there.

Unless the ACC could pull the full PAC 7 it seems doubtful. Payout might be slightly better in the ACC but travel is better for the 4Cs in the XII.

I am surprised Apple TV or Amazon Prime isn’t interested in testing the waters with independence for Cal &/or Stanford.

(08-04-2023 12:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 11:04 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Stanford and Cal should look at implementing a variation on the Hawaii deal. Put football in the B1G or ACC while moving Olympic sports to the Big West, which is already home to five UCs and an academically solid Hawaii.

Another variation on this theme would be for Stanford and Cal to put football in the B1G or ACC while transforming the Pac into a non-football conference by adding the five UC schools and Hawaii from the Big West. The Pac-8 is reborn!

That's a possibility. Full membership in the ACC is nonsense. Further travel than the Big 10 with half the money.

Yep, Cal and Stanford would not be able to afford it. Berkley still getting paid by the LA campus?

(08-04-2023 11:20 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Not enough value, then tack on extra travel for every single ACC school on top of that...not impossible, but seems quite unlikely, even if they were looking long term instead of just trying to find any way to add a buck today.

Yeah.

The AAC could definitely try it though.

1) Media payout bar is lower, certainly Cal/Stan can jump over that.
2) AAC already has the easy travel Texas schools in it.
3) League would be 5th best conference which helps.