If it should come to pass in the days and weeks ahead that the Arizona schools and Utah join the Big 12, while Oregon, Washington, Cal and Stanford join the Big Ten, what becomes of Oregon State and Washington State?

Do they as the Pac-2 invite 8-10 schools from the AAC and MWC, or would they be forced to join the MWC as its 13th and 14th members?

Merge with the MWC...

or just close down the Football program and join the WCC

I wonder if Sovereign Immunity protects the PAC Universities from paying Comcast back if the PAC dissolves

Probably use the PAC name and take the MWC schools unless they think waiting a yr is it for the MWC contract to come up would be better w/ linear having an in w/ fs1 and cbs. Either way you're looking at a conf making 9-10M a yr. max.

Depending on how things play out, you could maybe try to make a best of the rest type of conference:

From the PAC:
OSU
WSU

From the MWC:
SDSU
CSU
Boise
Fresno

From the AAC:
SMU
Memphis
USF
Tulane

I'm not sure CUSA/Sun Belt/MAC have any programs that would make sense for this conference. Actually, I'm not sure this conference makes any sense at all

The travel would be beyond awful, and I'm not sure that it would generate enough revenue/TV/fan interest to be worth the hassle, compared to the MWC just taking OSU/WSU. The AAC schools would especially be on an island, you might need to add some more schools (like FAU/UAB/UTSA) to give some quasi travel partners.

Edit:

Actually, this might not be awful

West Division:
OSU
WSU
SDSU
Fresno
CSU
Boise

East Division:
SMU
UTSA
Tulane
Memphis
USF
FAU

Everyone kinda has a travel partner (OSU/WSU, SDSU/Fresno, CSU/Boise, SMU/UTSA, Tulane/Memphis, USF/FAU) to help with the non football sports. You'd probably have to lean heavily on divisional play, especially for sports that play weekday games. However, it's not like the current conferences are that compact, pretty much every west coast conference involves a lot of flights, and the AAC goes from Texas to Florida to PA.

You could also convince me to replace some of these schools, like UNLV or UAB could be in the mix, or maybe you do go to 14 schools, so you can rely even heavier on divisional play.

Edit 2: I agree with some of the people who quoted me that this seems like a far fetched idea, I was mostly proposing this as a thought experiment.

They join the MWC and leave the Pac-12 name behind. The Pac-12 name is damaged goods at this point.

(08-02-2023 04:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Depending on how things play out, you could maybe try to make a best of the rest type of conference:

From the PAC:
OSU
WSU

From the MWC:
SDSU
CSU
Boise
Fresno

From the AAC:
SMU
Memphis
USF
Tulane

However the travel would be beyond awful, and I'm not sure that it would generate enough revenue/TV/fan interest to be worth the hassle. The AAC schools would especially be on an island, you might need to add like FAU/UAB/UTSA to give some quasi travel partners.

none of the MWC schools will pay 34M to have that happen. If they wanna wait til 2025, maybe but how much is that conf. worth? 10M?

(08-02-2023 04:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Depending on how things play out, you could maybe try to make a best of the rest type of conference:

From the PAC:
OSU
WSU

From the MWC:
SDSU
CSU
Boise
Fresno

From the AAC:
SMU
Memphis
USF
Tulane

However the travel would be beyond awful, and I'm not sure that it would generate enough revenue/TV/fan interest to be worth the hassle. The AAC schools would especially be on an island, you might need to add like FAU/UAB/UTSA to give some quasi travel partners.

No one is leaving their conference and paying exit fees; to join a Pac-2 with no media deal.

They will invite vs merge. PAC still has autonomy. Inviting the best from the AAC/MWC allows them to stay ahead of those leagues in the pecking order.

Probably merge with the MWC. Would a 14 team be interesting for Gonzaga?

(08-02-2023 04:48 PM)46566 Wrote:  Probably merge with the MWC. Would a 14 team be interesting for Gonzaga?

Doubtful.

(08-02-2023 04:47 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Depending on how things play out, you could maybe try to make a best of the rest type of conference:

From the PAC:
OSU
WSU

From the MWC:
SDSU
CSU
Boise
Fresno

From the AAC:
SMU
Memphis
USF
Tulane

However the travel would be beyond awful, and I'm not sure that it would generate enough revenue/TV/fan interest to be worth the hassle. The AAC schools would especially be on an island, you might need to add like FAU/UAB/UTSA to give some quasi travel partners.

none of the MWC schools will pay 34M to have that happen. If they wanna wait til 2025, maybe but how much is that conf. worth? 10M?

Isn't $10M quite a bit more than the MWC schools make? Wouldn't this new conference get the PAC-12s outstanding NCAA tournament credits?

(08-02-2023 04:47 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  They join the MWC and leave the Pac-12 name behind. The Pac-12 name is damaged goods at this point.

Unless material advantages exist to keeping the PAC12 name, a move to the MWC makes the most sense and the PAC12 dies like their predecessor the SWC.

(08-02-2023 04:56 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:47 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Depending on how things play out, you could maybe try to make a best of the rest type of conference:

From the PAC:
OSU
WSU

From the MWC:
SDSU
CSU
Boise
Fresno

From the AAC:
SMU
Memphis
USF
Tulane

However the travel would be beyond awful, and I'm not sure that it would generate enough revenue/TV/fan interest to be worth the hassle. The AAC schools would especially be on an island, you might need to add like FAU/UAB/UTSA to give some quasi travel partners.

none of the MWC schools will pay 34M to have that happen. If they wanna wait til 2025, maybe but how much is that conf. worth? 10M?

Isn't $10M quite a bit more than the MWC schools make? Wouldn't this new conference get the PAC-12s outstanding NCAA tournament credits?

us and Boise make 5 because of their deal and us winning the conf. the lowest get 4. But No one is paying 34M to make 9-10M for 5 yrs. also losing out on that 5M for those 5 yrs. So lose 59M to make 50M? 9-10M is really a max too. Where are the games going to be shown?

Is it worth it to the AAC schools to play all these western schools just because OSU, WSU? for 2 to 3M more a year? I don't think so.

(08-02-2023 04:56 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:47 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Depending on how things play out, you could maybe try to make a best of the rest type of conference:

From the PAC:
OSU
WSU

From the MWC:
SDSU
CSU
Boise
Fresno

From the AAC:
SMU
Memphis
USF
Tulane

However the travel would be beyond awful, and I'm not sure that it would generate enough revenue/TV/fan interest to be worth the hassle. The AAC schools would especially be on an island, you might need to add like FAU/UAB/UTSA to give some quasi travel partners.

none of the MWC schools will pay 34M to have that happen. If they wanna wait til 2025, maybe but how much is that conf. worth? 10M?

Isn't $10M quite a bit more than the MWC schools make? Wouldn't this new conference get the PAC-12s outstanding NCAA tournament credits?

OSU and WSU would get the credits, not us.

(08-02-2023 04:57 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Unless material advantages exist to keeping the PAC12 name, a move to the MWC makes the most sense and the PAC12 dies like their predecessor the SWC.

Like the whole being spelled out by name as an Autonomy conference thing (this is different than the P5 label)?

Because that is a material difference.

(08-02-2023 05:08 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:57 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Unless material advantages exist to keeping the PAC12 name, a move to the MWC makes the most sense and the PAC12 dies like their predecessor the SWC.

Like the whole being spelled out by name as an Autonomy conference thing (this is different than the P5 label)?

Because that is a material difference.

Doesn't it mean they get a P5 share of the CFP until the new deal in 2026?

(08-02-2023 04:57 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Unless material advantages exist to keeping the PAC12 name, a move to the MWC makes the most sense and the PAC12 dies like their predecessor the SWC.

The SWC wasn’t The PAC predecessor. The Southwest Conference was founded in 1914. The PAC was founded a year later in 1915.

The SWC was actually one of The Big 12’s predecessor along with The Big 8. They merged to form The Big 12.

(08-02-2023 05:04 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:56 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:47 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Depending on how things play out, you could maybe try to make a best of the rest type of conference:

From the PAC:
OSU
WSU

From the MWC:
SDSU
CSU
Boise
Fresno

From the AAC:
SMU
Memphis
USF
Tulane

However the travel would be beyond awful, and I'm not sure that it would generate enough revenue/TV/fan interest to be worth the hassle. The AAC schools would especially be on an island, you might need to add like FAU/UAB/UTSA to give some quasi travel partners.

none of the MWC schools will pay 34M to have that happen. If they wanna wait til 2025, maybe but how much is that conf. worth? 10M?

Isn't $10M quite a bit more than the MWC schools make? Wouldn't this new conference get the PAC-12s outstanding NCAA tournament credits?

us and Boise make 5 because of their deal and us winning the conf. the lowest get 4. But No one is paying 34M to make 9-10M for 5 yrs. also losing out on that 5M for those 5 yrs. So lose 59M to make 50M? 9-10M is really a max too. Where are the games going to be shown?

Is it worth it to the AAC schools to play all these western schools just because OSU, WSU? for 2 to 3M more a year? I don't think so.

Being in a west coast conference if you are USF is worth it if you are getting a minimum of ACC/B12 money. Not worth it for $3-5million to do this since travel costs would eat most of this.

Is it possible that Oregon St. and Washington St. have a shot at a Big 18 going with the other three of the 4Cs?