(07-31-2023 08:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 06:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 01:01 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 12:55 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 10:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Quite the word salad there, chef!

Counting ballots by machine is far and away the quickest and most secure way to run an election and assure integrity. And it's also the most accurate. Does it need some tweaks? Certainly. What will likely never change is that these machines are still made and operated by humans, at least for the foreseeable future. So you're likely to always have things like people using the wrong paper, or not performing proper maintenance, or not updating software, etc. So the prudent path forward is to continue to work on policies and procedures to eliminate as many of these issues as you can. What you don't do is throw the baby out with the bath water.

Going back to counting all the ballots by hand, as this study showed, would only result in taking more time to count and produce results, spending more money, and ending up with far more inaccurate results. The very stuff the right claims they want TO fix.

He doesn't want ballots to be counted by hand because he's afraid Republicans would win a fair election.

There needs to be a Federal Law that states every state MUST purge voter rolls every two years. Problem solved. If more than say, 3 registration verifications are sent to one address, it needs to be verified by phone or in person. Pretty simple. If more than five sent to one address, a visit needs to be made. I have been managing rentals for over 15 years and the number of former tenants receiving mail at one address would amaze you.

1. Elections are run by the state. You'll never get a federal law like that passed that withstands constitutional scrutiny.
2. Every 2 years is way too often. If punishes the vast majority of voters who don't move. Not to mention being a logistical nightmare for the states and costing a fortune.

The problem with the addressing issues currently is that it's incumbent on the individual to let their state know if the leave the state or move. So there could certainly be improvements in that area. That's where I could see the feds getting involved, creating a national database of some kind tied to Social Security, IRS, and state DMV's that the states could access...of course that opens up a while other can of worms dealing with privacy issues...and providing the deep state conspiracists another avenue to go down.

How does it punish anyone? Why would it cost a fortune?

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If you clear the rolls every two years, you gotta go back and rebuild it. So I assume that means having everyone register again...which costs the state tons of money to verify and alter the database. And it puts a burden on every voter who changed nothing to have to go back and prove they're a resident again. To me, that's punishing them for no reason.

The only thing I see this accomplishing is lowering turnout by creating more hassle to vote.

Maybe that's the goal? I mean the GOP clearly loves to make it harder to vote...and we all know why that is.

(07-31-2023 08:41 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 01:37 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 12:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 12:44 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  You say that, yet I can guarantee you are one of the people that still believes Trump stole the election from Hillary in 2016 with the help of Russia (none of which happened btw).

Sorry, wrong. Hillary lost it all on her own by abandoning Michigan and Wisconsin...thinking she was entitled.

But the beauty of it. I could make that claim...as I have the exact same amount of evidence that you do of Biden stealing it from trump...and I would imagine that you would call me crazy, right?

So. I'll wait for you or any of the other minions on here to call this guy a loon for believing trump won...

If Trump had won, you would be saying that he stole the election from Biden as well.

If...if...if...if. Easy to play that moronic game.

And, trump DID win, in 2016. So I suppose you can find all the posts where I actually claimed that he stole the election from Hillary?

Can't wait!

All your Russia, Russia, Russia bull was the equivalent of saying he stole it.

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Pay attention. I abandoned the Russia nonsense YEARS ago, and while I will still maintain...as all our IC agencies concluded that Russia did interfere...that I don't think that interference gave trump the win at all. And I certainly don't claim that he stole anything. I have no evidence of that. Just as no one should still be claiming that Biden stole something as there's equally no evidence of that.

(07-30-2023 12:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans, quit *itching about counting ballots. The source of cheating, to the extent that it exists, lies with fraudulent voters getting to cast ballots. Focus your energy on 1) things to stop that, wherever you can implement them, and 2) competing with whatever you have to compete with.

Winning elections needs to become as important to republicans as it is to democrats. As a leftist friend of mine once said to me, "If conservatives lose elections, you just get on with your lives. If we lose, we don't have anything else." With that kind of attitude, democrats are obviously going to put more emphasis on elections than republicans.

It doesn't matter how ballots are counted. It matters who counts the ballots.


Putting cardboard in windows or demanding everyone leave the building due to a water leak comes to mind.

(08-01-2023 09:12 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Putting cardboard in windows or demanding everyone leave the building due to a water leak comes to mind.

Of course, because these are talking points for which you don't seem to have a ******* clue as to what actually happened in these instances.

(08-01-2023 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Of course, because these are talking points for which you don't seem to have a ******* clue as to what actually happened in these instances.

Nor do you, because we all got the mushroom treatment on them.

(08-01-2023 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 09:12 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Putting cardboard in windows or demanding everyone leave the building due to a water leak comes to mind.

Of course, because these are talking points for which you don't seem to have a ******* clue as to what actually happened in these instances.

Do you know Tom? Stooge....

(08-01-2023 09:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Of course, because these are talking points for which you don't seem to have a ******* clue as to what actually happened in these instances.

Nor do you, because we all got the mushroom treatment on them.

Yep, it really is that simple.

C'mon guys, yum yum knows everything.

(08-01-2023 09:39 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

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(08-01-2023 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Of course, because these are talking points for which you don't seem to have a ******* clue as to what actually happened in these instances.

Nor do you, because we all got the mushroom treatment on them.

Yep, it really is that simple.

Yeah, if you're a complete ignoramus who somehow manages to use the internet to post on this message board but is literally incapable of finding out actual facts on that same internet.

I assume umbg was talking about State Farm Arena in Georgia. If so, no one "demanded everyone leave the building" due to a water leak.

Quote:Officials determined that there was a water leak from a urinal at State Farm Arena on November 3 that took two hours to repair. Approximately two hours after the repair was completed, vote counting resumed.

There was a four-hour delay, but members of the media, election officials, observers and poll watchers were not asked to leave while repairs were being made.

Fact Check: Did Fabricated Water Main Break Affect Vote Counting in Georgia as trump Says?

Quote:Shortly after 9 a.m. Wednesday, Biden appeared to be ahead of trump in Michigan for the first time since the polls closed the previous night.

Tensions inside TCF grew as Republicans challengers sounded multiple alarms, saying volunteers were needed right away in Detroit.

"Who is available to go to COBO Hall right now to help monitor the vote? 35K ballots showed up out of nowhere at 3 am. Need help" a group called the Michigan Trump Republicans 2020 posted on Facebook at 9:39 a.m. Wednesday.

Hours later, a similar request was made on Twitter, this one saying 75 more volunteers were needed in Detroit.

"Help needed now," Tweeted a group called Stand Up Michigan. "Go as soon as possible. We are attempting to mount aggressive challenges."

Republicans showed up in droves. By 1 p.m., there were 227 Republican challengers freely roaming the floor where the ballots were being counted — almost double the 134 they were permitted to have — and more kept coming.

Another 268 Democratic challengers were there too — also double the permitted amount — and there were also another 75 nonpartisan challengers.

As the crowd of challengers swelled, so did COVID-19 fears and security concerns. There were no security checks to get in TCF. There were no metal detectors. And no pat-downs.

The Trump campaign filed a lawsuit Wednesday to stop the counting of ballots in Michigan.

The lawsuit came as Biden led Trump by approximately 46,000 votes, with 96% of the estimated votes already tallied. By later afternoon, Biden had amassed a 67,000 vote advantage with almost all of the votes counted.

The Republican challengers got bolder, at one point forming a circle around the tables and clapping and chanting in unison: 'Stop the count! Stop the count!'

The police presence grew. Election officials shut it down.

Some saw the battle at the TCF Center as an example of some conservatives, trying to restrict the voting rights of African Americans.

Shortly after 1 p.m. election officials shut the doors to the absentee ballot counting room and turned away all new challengers, even the ones who had stepped out for a lunch break.

"If you are a Republican or a Democrat, back up!" an election official shouted in the room of angry challengers, who felt they were unfairly being kept out.

They screamed at police, complained to the media and banged on the windows to the counting room.

That led to more chaos as officials then put cardboard over the windows, saying challengers were videotaping and photographing the counting process, which intimidated the counters.

But after the windows were covered up, the angry challengers banged louder.

'Get to TCF': What really happened inside Detroit's ballot counting center

And we covered all this **** years ago...yet you cultists still swallow every lie loser trump continues to spew. How pathetic can you guys be?