Topics like this remind me of the great scene from Office Space.

The AAC fully imploding because Colorado leaves the Pac 12. Quite the jump.

(07-28-2023 10:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:39 AM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  The primary advantage of the AAC was already state by the AFA's AD. There is more exposure! The AAC has an eastern time zone presence with a good concentration in the southeast. Then you add the Texas block versus a conference congregated in the mountain & pacific time zones it just makes the AAC more valuable and I don't see that changing.

To get out of the AAC earlier than 27 months is pretty well established with precedent of $17M. If everyone leaves then a substantial warchest remains considering the AAC program development of the past.

There are way more options for the AAC moving forward with a financial advantage than our next perceived opponent down-line has.

These are just facts lost in the conjecture of realignment possibilities.

For whatever reason there's this forever dream of people from P5 fans to G5 fans almost equally trying to come up with ways for the AAC to die. I think it's because there have always been a lot of AAC fans on this board and Aresco lives rent free in people's heads I guess because of his bluster and P6 stuff. However, while there are plenty of things to be skeptical/critical of regarding Aresco, I think what he did in the last raid especially is way underrated. He did nearly pull off the CSU/AFA thing, sure you don't get credit for close but I couldn't even believe they got close after getting raided. He then managed to pivot and while I'm not crazy excited about the teams that were added he managed to figure out a way to keep the TV deal stable for remaining members. Some were critical of him agreeing to extend the deal even further, but with the struggles we are now seeing the PAC have getting a TV deal we might be seeing the end of the TV deal bubble. People have been critical that the AAC signed such a long term deal from the start, but I wouldn't want to be going on the open market anytime in the next few years right now.

It wasn't a TV deal figures he kept stable its the conference payout.

Old schools = 7 million payout
New schools = 2 million payout (same as the SBC payout).

TV money might be close to half as before AAC 2.0 expansion but they worked the numbers so existing programs get a soft landing windfall.

(07-28-2023 11:00 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:58 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:47 AM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:38 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:27 AM)PredatorUTEP Wrote:  No. The AAC has good leadership and a good media deal. Things can change, but if they lose Memphis, Tulane, Rice or SMU, not that big a deal. It's why they added the CUSA 6 a couple years ago. They still can argue to be the best overall G5 conference.

I think the MWC has more to worry about, but they also have good leadership.

MWC has hot leadership not good leadership.

I do think Memphis/Tulane/Rice/SMU leaving for the PAC tanks the AAC TV deal. A deal that is only paying out 2 million per school to new membership as is.

If both TV deals are on the fritz and MWC/AAC both at 10 the AAC could offer 6 from the MWC (UNM, AF, Boise, Utah St, UNLV and Fresno) and put them in a western division with Tulsa and UTSA. For full AAC shares. That way they can kick Wyoming, SJSU, Hawaii, UNR to the curb. They join up with NMSU, UTEP, SHSU and a few FCS upgrades.

So the AAC collects $120M and has 10 remaining members and access to the CFP? I think they can move on from there with some football strategic adds!

If my math is correct 17 million times for is 68 million and then the 68 million has to be split 10 ways (6.8 million each).

Temple then collects a 6.8 million dollar check then turns around 2 years later and rejoins the A10 for a net cost of 10.2 million dollars where its saving itself 4 million a year in travel costs. They pull a UConn and return to their historic conference.

Temple is never returning to the A10. Never.

Are you excited about sharing a one bid conference with Middle Tennessee?

(07-28-2023 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Topics like this remind me of the great scene from Office Space.

The AAC fully imploding because Colorado leaves the Pac 12. Quite the jump.

It’s comical. Let’s start another thread to discuss the downstream impacts on the CUSA and SoCon conferences!

(07-28-2023 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Topics like this remind me of the great scene from Office Space.

The AAC fully imploding because Colorado leaves the Pac 12. Quite the jump.

Take my +3.

(07-28-2023 11:03 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:39 AM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  The primary advantage of the AAC was already state by the AFA's AD. There is more exposure! The AAC has an eastern time zone presence with a good concentration in the southeast. Then you add the Texas block versus a conference congregated in the mountain & pacific time zones it just makes the AAC more valuable and I don't see that changing.

To get out of the AAC earlier than 27 months is pretty well established with precedent of $17M. If everyone leaves then a substantial warchest remains considering the AAC program development of the past.

There are way more options for the AAC moving forward with a financial advantage than our next perceived opponent down-line has.

These are just facts lost in the conjecture of realignment possibilities.

For whatever reason there's this forever dream of people from P5 fans to G5 fans almost equally trying to come up with ways for the AAC to die. I think it's because there have always been a lot of AAC fans on this board and Aresco lives rent free in people's heads I guess because of his bluster and P6 stuff. However, while there are plenty of things to be skeptical/critical of regarding Aresco, I think what he did in the last raid especially is way underrated. He did nearly pull off the CSU/AFA thing, sure you don't get credit for close but I couldn't even believe they got close after getting raided. He then managed to pivot and while I'm not crazy excited about the teams that were added he managed to figure out a way to keep the TV deal stable for remaining members. Some were critical of him agreeing to extend the deal even further, but with the struggles we are now seeing the PAC have getting a TV deal we might be seeing the end of the TV deal bubble. People have been critical that the AAC signed such a long term deal from the start, but I wouldn't want to be going on the open market anytime in the next few years right now.

It wasn't a TV deal figures he kept stable its the conference payout.

Old schools = 7 million payout
New schools = 2 million payout (same as the SBC payout).

TV money might be close to half as before AAC 2.0 expansion but they worked the numbers so existing programs get a soft landing windfall.

In what world is $2 million half of $7 million. The new members are receiving between $3 to $3.5 million a year. The Sun Belt earns about $1.2 million.

(07-28-2023 11:06 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Topics like this remind me of the great scene from Office Space.

The AAC fully imploding because Colorado leaves the Pac 12. Quite the jump.

It’s comical. Let’s start another thread to discuss the downstream impacts on the CUSA and SoCon conferences!

If the American loses a Texas or Louisiana school (or both), then replaces them with other “western” schools….my bet is the eastern side of the AAC won’t be too happy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, just a matter of time before East Carolina enters the Sun Belt East Division.


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(07-28-2023 11:06 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Topics like this remind me of the great scene from Office Space.

The AAC fully imploding because Colorado leaves the Pac 12. Quite the jump.

It’s comical. Let’s start another thread to discuss the downstream impacts on the CUSA and SoCon conferences!

The entire premise of this thread is stupid. Anyone that actually follows this stuff understands the MWC is in a bad spot right now, and once the PAC make their moves, the MWC will be severely crippled. And the AAC stands to benefit from it.

(07-28-2023 11:11 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:03 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:39 AM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  The primary advantage of the AAC was already state by the AFA's AD. There is more exposure! The AAC has an eastern time zone presence with a good concentration in the southeast. Then you add the Texas block versus a conference congregated in the mountain & pacific time zones it just makes the AAC more valuable and I don't see that changing.

To get out of the AAC earlier than 27 months is pretty well established with precedent of $17M. If everyone leaves then a substantial warchest remains considering the AAC program development of the past.

There are way more options for the AAC moving forward with a financial advantage than our next perceived opponent down-line has.

These are just facts lost in the conjecture of realignment possibilities.

For whatever reason there's this forever dream of people from P5 fans to G5 fans almost equally trying to come up with ways for the AAC to die. I think it's because there have always been a lot of AAC fans on this board and Aresco lives rent free in people's heads I guess because of his bluster and P6 stuff. However, while there are plenty of things to be skeptical/critical of regarding Aresco, I think what he did in the last raid especially is way underrated. He did nearly pull off the CSU/AFA thing, sure you don't get credit for close but I couldn't even believe they got close after getting raided. He then managed to pivot and while I'm not crazy excited about the teams that were added he managed to figure out a way to keep the TV deal stable for remaining members. Some were critical of him agreeing to extend the deal even further, but with the struggles we are now seeing the PAC have getting a TV deal we might be seeing the end of the TV deal bubble. People have been critical that the AAC signed such a long term deal from the start, but I wouldn't want to be going on the open market anytime in the next few years right now.

It wasn't a TV deal figures he kept stable its the conference payout.

Old schools = 7 million payout
New schools = 2 million payout (same as the SBC payout).

TV money might be close to half as before AAC 2.0 expansion but they worked the numbers so existing programs get a soft landing windfall.

In what world is $2 million half of $7 million. The new members are receiving between $3 to $3.5 million a year. The Sun Belt earns about $1.2 million.

Plus new AAC is a higher rated basketball conference with greater potential in basketball credit money. Combine that with the incredibly high exit fee and unless a major payday can be justified, its not likely anyone is leaving the AAC for the Sunbelt. UConn doing what they did was a major exception due to the unique stature basketball has at that school and their prior relationship with the Big East.

(07-28-2023 11:13 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:06 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Topics like this remind me of the great scene from Office Space.

The AAC fully imploding because Colorado leaves the Pac 12. Quite the jump.

It’s comical. Let’s start another thread to discuss the downstream impacts on the CUSA and SoCon conferences!

If the American loses a Texas or Louisiana school (or both), then replaces them with other “western” schools….my bet is the eastern side of the AAC won’t be too happy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, just a matter of time before East Carolina enters the Sun Belt East Division.


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This is what we call a Sunbelt wet dream

(07-28-2023 11:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:11 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:03 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:39 AM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  The primary advantage of the AAC was already state by the AFA's AD. There is more exposure! The AAC has an eastern time zone presence with a good concentration in the southeast. Then you add the Texas block versus a conference congregated in the mountain & pacific time zones it just makes the AAC more valuable and I don't see that changing.

To get out of the AAC earlier than 27 months is pretty well established with precedent of $17M. If everyone leaves then a substantial warchest remains considering the AAC program development of the past.

There are way more options for the AAC moving forward with a financial advantage than our next perceived opponent down-line has.

These are just facts lost in the conjecture of realignment possibilities.

For whatever reason there's this forever dream of people from P5 fans to G5 fans almost equally trying to come up with ways for the AAC to die. I think it's because there have always been a lot of AAC fans on this board and Aresco lives rent free in people's heads I guess because of his bluster and P6 stuff. However, while there are plenty of things to be skeptical/critical of regarding Aresco, I think what he did in the last raid especially is way underrated. He did nearly pull off the CSU/AFA thing, sure you don't get credit for close but I couldn't even believe they got close after getting raided. He then managed to pivot and while I'm not crazy excited about the teams that were added he managed to figure out a way to keep the TV deal stable for remaining members. Some were critical of him agreeing to extend the deal even further, but with the struggles we are now seeing the PAC have getting a TV deal we might be seeing the end of the TV deal bubble. People have been critical that the AAC signed such a long term deal from the start, but I wouldn't want to be going on the open market anytime in the next few years right now.

It wasn't a TV deal figures he kept stable its the conference payout.

Old schools = 7 million payout
New schools = 2 million payout (same as the SBC payout).

TV money might be close to half as before AAC 2.0 expansion but they worked the numbers so existing programs get a soft landing windfall.

In what world is $2 million half of $7 million. The new members are receiving between $3 to $3.5 million a year. The Sun Belt earns about $1.2 million.

Plus new AAC is a higher rated basketball conference with greater potential in basketball credit money. Combine that with the incredibly high exit fee and unless a major payday can be justified, its not likely anyone is leaving the AAC for the Sunbelt. UConn doing what they did was a major exception due to the unique stature basketball has at that school and their prior relationship with the Big East.

Its a 1 bid basketball conference without SMU/Memphis.

(07-28-2023 11:13 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:06 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Topics like this remind me of the great scene from Office Space.

The AAC fully imploding because Colorado leaves the Pac 12. Quite the jump.

It’s comical. Let’s start another thread to discuss the downstream impacts on the CUSA and SoCon conferences!

If the American loses a Texas or Louisiana school (or both), then replaces them with other “western” schools….my bet is the eastern side of the AAC won’t be too happy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, just a matter of time before East Carolina enters the Sun Belt East Division.


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Oh, I bet ECU can't wait to drop from earning $7 million in the ACC, to earning $1.2 million in the Sun Belt. Those weeknight ESPN2 game are a real draw too.

(07-28-2023 11:17 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:11 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:03 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  For whatever reason there's this forever dream of people from P5 fans to G5 fans almost equally trying to come up with ways for the AAC to die. I think it's because there have always been a lot of AAC fans on this board and Aresco lives rent free in people's heads I guess because of his bluster and P6 stuff. However, while there are plenty of things to be skeptical/critical of regarding Aresco, I think what he did in the last raid especially is way underrated. He did nearly pull off the CSU/AFA thing, sure you don't get credit for close but I couldn't even believe they got close after getting raided. He then managed to pivot and while I'm not crazy excited about the teams that were added he managed to figure out a way to keep the TV deal stable for remaining members. Some were critical of him agreeing to extend the deal even further, but with the struggles we are now seeing the PAC have getting a TV deal we might be seeing the end of the TV deal bubble. People have been critical that the AAC signed such a long term deal from the start, but I wouldn't want to be going on the open market anytime in the next few years right now.

It wasn't a TV deal figures he kept stable its the conference payout.

Old schools = 7 million payout
New schools = 2 million payout (same as the SBC payout).

TV money might be close to half as before AAC 2.0 expansion but they worked the numbers so existing programs get a soft landing windfall.

In what world is $2 million half of $7 million. The new members are receiving between $3 to $3.5 million a year. The Sun Belt earns about $1.2 million.

Plus new AAC is a higher rated basketball conference with greater potential in basketball credit money. Combine that with the incredibly high exit fee and unless a major payday can be justified, its not likely anyone is leaving the AAC for the Sunbelt. UConn doing what they did was a major exception due to the unique stature basketball has at that school and their prior relationship with the Big East.

Its a 1 bid basketball conference without SMU/Memphis.

Did you not see FAU make the Final Four last season? Or UNT beat UAB for the NIT Title? The AAC has strong basketball.

(07-28-2023 11:18 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:13 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:06 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Topics like this remind me of the great scene from Office Space.

The AAC fully imploding because Colorado leaves the Pac 12. Quite the jump.

It’s comical. Let’s start another thread to discuss the downstream impacts on the CUSA and SoCon conferences!

If the American loses a Texas or Louisiana school (or both), then replaces them with other “western” schools….my bet is the eastern side of the AAC won’t be too happy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, just a matter of time before East Carolina enters the Sun Belt East Division.


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Oh, I bet ECU can't wait to drop from earning $7 million in the ACC, to earning $1.2 million in the Sun Belt. Those weeknight ESPN2 game are a real draw too.

Income dries up without SMU, Memphis, Tulane and Rice.

-Media
-Basketball
-Playoff money for apperances

Goes away.

But the exit fee will remain high

(07-28-2023 11:20 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:18 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:13 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:06 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Topics like this remind me of the great scene from Office Space.

The AAC fully imploding because Colorado leaves the Pac 12. Quite the jump.

It’s comical. Let’s start another thread to discuss the downstream impacts on the CUSA and SoCon conferences!

If the American loses a Texas or Louisiana school (or both), then replaces them with other “western” schools….my bet is the eastern side of the AAC won’t be too happy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, just a matter of time before East Carolina enters the Sun Belt East Division.


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Oh, I bet ECU can't wait to drop from earning $7 million in the ACC, to earning $1.2 million in the Sun Belt. Those weeknight ESPN2 game are a real draw too.

Income dries up without SMU, Memphis, Tulane and Rice.

-Media
-Basketball
-Playoff money for apperances

Goes away.

The PAC has a history of being very snooty and slow moving. That's what got them into this mess in the first place. There is zero chance that they will add 4 AAC programs, when they have SDSU, Colorado State & UNLV waiting in the MWC. You are delusional.

But even if your dream came true and all of those AAC programs left, the AAC is still positioned to be better moving forward. NCAA credits don't leave. The AAC would still be a collection of higher budget universities in major markets. And, ESPN wouldn't cut our deal to the point where it would be less than the Sun Belt's.

(07-28-2023 11:21 AM)solohawks Wrote:  But the exit fee will remain high

Yeah that's the thing. While we all agree that if the tv deal hypothetically went down to MWC or even SBC numbers, the idea of moving down to the SBC might start to make sense, teams keep paying $17m exit fees to leave. That doesn't help the math around a move down.

On top of that, I still see more upside in the top of CUSA that we picked up. Spendy teams in good recruiting territories. The SBC doesn't even have a team in Florida.

A lot can change over the next few weeks/months/years. For the time being, I want my team to be in the group of G5s that are actively trying to spend their way into the P5. There will be a ton of turnover, but turnover is good for the teams trying to move up. That's the whole idea of the "green room" conference.

NBA is big out west. NBA western conference includes...

Memphis
New Orleans
Dallas
Houston

This is proof the PAC can expand with SMU, Memphis, Tulane, Rice and have the general public embrace it.

(07-28-2023 11:20 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:18 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:13 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:06 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Topics like this remind me of the great scene from Office Space.

The AAC fully imploding because Colorado leaves the Pac 12. Quite the jump.

It’s comical. Let’s start another thread to discuss the downstream impacts on the CUSA and SoCon conferences!

If the American loses a Texas or Louisiana school (or both), then replaces them with other “western” schools….my bet is the eastern side of the AAC won’t be too happy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, just a matter of time before East Carolina enters the Sun Belt East Division.


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Oh, I bet ECU can't wait to drop from earning $7 million in the ACC, to earning $1.2 million in the Sun Belt. Those weeknight ESPN2 game are a real draw too.

Income dries up without SMU, Memphis, Tulane and Rice.

-Media
-Basketball
-Playoff money for apperances

Goes away.

Hold it, you think Memphis, Tulane and Rice are going to the PAC? And the NBA? Really? Do me a favor, look at a map of NBA teams, than tell us why the NBA west includes some teams east of the Mississippi.

(07-28-2023 11:18 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:13 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:06 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Topics like this remind me of the great scene from Office Space.

The AAC fully imploding because Colorado leaves the Pac 12. Quite the jump.

It’s comical. Let’s start another thread to discuss the downstream impacts on the CUSA and SoCon conferences!

If the American loses a Texas or Louisiana school (or both), then replaces them with other “western” schools….my bet is the eastern side of the AAC won’t be too happy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, just a matter of time before East Carolina enters the Sun Belt East Division.


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Oh, I bet ECU can't wait to drop from earning $7 million in the ACC, to earning $1.2 million in the Sun Belt. Those weeknight ESPN2 game are a real draw too.

The spread won’t be $7 million to $2 million indefinitely. East Carolina will soon tire of flying all over the country to play schools like North Texas.


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