(07-21-2023 01:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 01:10 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 12:37 PM)shere khan Wrote:  TRA believes that a department head should embrace the egalitarian and merit-based traditions that characterize Texas A&M’s values, rather than the divisive ideology of identity politics,” the group wrote last week.


Reeeeeeeeeee

What do you know about The Rudder Association? I've never been to a meeting, but I know some members. Their goals are admirable and we share a love of Texas A&M, but that doesn't mean that they are infallible.

The information on McElroy is choppy, some of my buddies say that she's a nutjob crazy liberal hippy douche and it's great that she's not coming back to A&M, others say that she was the victim of a conservative witch hunt that's remarkably similar to the liberal witch hunts that so many of us have lamented over the years. I'd say that it's not surprising to see a backlash, and it's not necessarily bad for the school that she's not taking the job if her views as expressed in the media are accurate. I also think that President Banks picked a foolish hill to die on if there's not much more going on behind the scenes.

That was a quote from the ap news story. I know way more about the weird aggies than i need or want to.

A&M doesn’t have the same vibe it did back in the eighties. I remember that stunt which landed that Aggie in deep $h!t. I believe that was the SMU vs A&M game

SMU glory days Pony Express Dickerson & James ruled the day. SMU had the best football team money could buy.

Of course all the HYPOCRITES couldn’t take it and shut the program down. Only certain schools were allowed to pay players and it was acceptable. SMU wasn’t one of those schools. And to think NIL has been instituted today.

(07-21-2023 03:31 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 11:38 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Having said that, her plans to incorporate DEI as a core part of the Journalism Department were wildly out of step with the direction of A&M, and of the entire state in general, so this was always going to be a battle. I'm surprised that Banks fell on her sword over it, there's probably a whole lot going on behind the scenes and this was just the last straw for her.

Bryan, you could have cut your entire post down to the following.. Sahe wanted to implement DEI, which is NOT POPULAR among any groups, except maybe liberal-20 year olds and extremely far left-racists.

As for Banks falling on her sword for it. If she is/ws that pro-DEI and can't get it in the Journalism school... then her next plans for DEI implementation were going to get even more ugly if she was the one making the hirings and best to step down now, and let someone else TRY to take up her mantle for that.

Banks hasn't been pro-DEI at all up to this point. She's a former student and was Dean of the College of Engineering before we hired. Her hiring 2 years ago was very popular, and she's been regarded as a much more successful President than her predecessor. I think that President of a University these days is just a minefield, and it's really easy for one mistake to be fatal.

(07-21-2023 05:49 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 04:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 11:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 11:21 AM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 11:15 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Given what that paper has been in the past decade, I would say no. If they were to head the TAMU Department of DNC propagcanda, then they would have fit right in.

If you want to revive journalism, then hire someone with impeccable journalistic credentials. Otherwise just kill that department off.

Kathleen McElroy wasn't just a former NYT editor. She's a longtime professor at UT Austin, taught at Oklahoma State, and worked at the Bryan-College Station Eagle and Austin-American Statesman. Not only is she a well qualified and credentialled instructor, she's worked for multiple important publications *IN TEXAS*.

If she was so great and would have done a hell of a job she wouldnt have any issues with not having a guaranteed tenure or getting fired if she went off on a DEI path of propaganda.

Donors who put up the money have had enough, and they werent going to allow a DEI person to get into that position with no way of firing her.

I also dare you to find any true journalistic reporting in any of the papers she was editor of that wasnt a one party slant. Thats not journalism. So call it what it really is, and see if the donors are ok continuing to donate to the school under that guise.

This whole situation says they were not.

Sounds like a good decision. Blamed it on racism and mysoginy. Anyone with a brain knows it was the NYT and UT connections.

And let’s face facts there are some real extremists at both tu and the NY propaganda sheet.

There are plenty of people who have taught at both Texas and A&M over the years, and having worked at the Grey Lady should be a positive rather than a negative. No matter you political views, it's one of the most read papers in the world. Some hate-read it, some read it for indoctrination, but it MATTERS. McElroy's issue here is the woman she is today is pretty out of step with the overall University, and she was an easy target when it came out the interim dean of liberal arts was trying to pull a fast one. Or, perhaps it was Banks, though that doesn't seem like her style.

As someone wrote above, the interim dean of liberal arts has to now be in the crosshairs, too. Though, perhaps she was never getting the job full-time anyway.

(07-21-2023 07:48 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 05:49 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 04:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 11:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 11:21 AM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  Kathleen McElroy wasn't just a former NYT editor. She's a longtime professor at UT Austin, taught at Oklahoma State, and worked at the Bryan-College Station Eagle and Austin-American Statesman. Not only is she a well qualified and credentialled instructor, she's worked for multiple important publications *IN TEXAS*.

If she was so great and would have done a hell of a job she wouldnt have any issues with not having a guaranteed tenure or getting fired if she went off on a DEI path of propaganda.

Donors who put up the money have had enough, and they werent going to allow a DEI person to get into that position with no way of firing her.

I also dare you to find any true journalistic reporting in any of the papers she was editor of that wasnt a one party slant. Thats not journalism. So call it what it really is, and see if the donors are ok continuing to donate to the school under that guise.

This whole situation says they were not.

Sounds like a good decision. Blamed it on racism and mysoginy. Anyone with a brain knows it was the NYT and UT connections.

And let’s face facts there are some real extremists at both tu and the NY propaganda sheet.

There are plenty of people who have taught at both Texas and A&M over the years, and having worked at the Grey Lady should be a positive rather than a negative. No matter you political views, it's one of the most read papers in the world. Some hate-read it, some read it for indoctrination, but it MATTERS. McElroy's issue here is the woman she is today is pretty out of step with the overall University, and she was an easy target when it came out the interim dean of liberal arts was trying to pull a fast one. Or, perhaps it was Banks, though that doesn't seem like her style.

As someone wrote above, the interim dean of liberal arts has to now be in the crosshairs, too. Though, perhaps she was never getting the job full-time anyway.

A&M CS has the largest population on campus of any school in Texas. A lot of friends kids went there and most tell stories of nutty professors because they know the difference between education and indoctrination.

I trust the BOR of A&M much more than any looney tune College Professor or Administrator that came from their ranks.

I will tell you leftist professors have been around Texas colleges as long as I can remember. I had the Poly Sci professor who always dropped me a letter grade because he disagreed with my written exams political point of view. So, one exam I used his talking points and wrote an exam that matched his political ideology and shazam lighting struck a 98 and hand written note on how much I retained. Its their world and you are lucky to be a part of it and never question it.

(07-21-2023 07:48 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 05:49 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 04:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 11:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 11:21 AM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  Kathleen McElroy wasn't just a former NYT editor. She's a longtime professor at UT Austin, taught at Oklahoma State, and worked at the Bryan-College Station Eagle and Austin-American Statesman. Not only is she a well qualified and credentialled instructor, she's worked for multiple important publications *IN TEXAS*.

If she was so great and would have done a hell of a job she wouldnt have any issues with not having a guaranteed tenure or getting fired if she went off on a DEI path of propaganda.

Donors who put up the money have had enough, and they werent going to allow a DEI person to get into that position with no way of firing her.

I also dare you to find any true journalistic reporting in any of the papers she was editor of that wasnt a one party slant. Thats not journalism. So call it what it really is, and see if the donors are ok continuing to donate to the school under that guise.

This whole situation says they were not.

Sounds like a good decision. Blamed it on racism and mysoginy. Anyone with a brain knows it was the NYT and UT connections.

And let’s face facts there are some real extremists at both tu and the NY propaganda sheet.

There are plenty of people who have taught at both Texas and A&M over the years, and having worked at the Grey Lady should be a positive rather than a negative. No matter you political views, it's one of the most read papers in the world. Some hate-read it, some read it for indoctrination, but it MATTERS. McElroy's issue here is the woman she is today is pretty out of step with the overall University, and she was an easy target when it came out the interim dean of liberal arts was trying to pull a fast one. Or, perhaps it was Banks, though that doesn't seem like her style.

As someone wrote above, the interim dean of liberal arts has to now be in the crosshairs, too. Though, perhaps she was never getting the job full-time anyway.

NYT does not matter. It has always been a parochial liberal paper but now is just a parochial propaganda sheet. They have tapes with the editor telling them the truth didn’t matter, but the editor was more reasonable than most of the staff!

The SEC should kick tamu snd mizzou out

Tamu hasnt won shite ever that im aware of. Maybe before you electricity

(07-22-2023 08:00 AM)shere khan Wrote:  The SEC should kick tamu snd mizzou out

Tamu hasnt won shite ever that im aware of. Maybe before you electricity

If you are going off wins you would have to toss out a few others

(07-22-2023 10:00 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-22-2023 08:00 AM)shere khan Wrote:  The SEC should kick tamu snd mizzou out

Tamu hasnt won shite ever that im aware of. Maybe before you electricity

If you are going off wins you would have to toss out a few others

Weird fans with no championships. Mostly weirdness.

(07-22-2023 10:00 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-22-2023 08:00 AM)shere khan Wrote:  The SEC should kick tamu snd mizzou out

Tamu hasnt won shite ever that im aware of. Maybe before you electricity

If you are going off wins you would have to toss out a few others

They will. The big $$$ schools are getting tired of sharing THEIR revenue. I know two Mississippi schools that will be out the door. Doesn't make much sense to have two Mississippi schools and only one Florida school in the South Eastern Conference.

(07-22-2023 10:06 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(07-22-2023 10:00 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-22-2023 08:00 AM)shere khan Wrote:  The SEC should kick tamu snd mizzou out

Tamu hasnt won shite ever that im aware of. Maybe before you electricity

If you are going off wins you would have to toss out a few others

They will. The big $$$ schools are getting tired of sharing THEIR revenue. I know two Mississippi schools that will be out the door. Doesn't make much sense to have two Mississippi schools and only one Florida school in the South Eastern Conference.

Arkansas? Can you be anymore irrelevant in college football talk unless of course you are talking Vandy

(07-22-2023 10:15 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-22-2023 10:06 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(07-22-2023 10:00 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-22-2023 08:00 AM)shere khan Wrote:  The SEC should kick tamu snd mizzou out

Tamu hasnt won shite ever that im aware of. Maybe before you electricity

If you are going off wins you would have to toss out a few others

They will. The big $$$ schools are getting tired of sharing THEIR revenue. I know two Mississippi schools that will be out the door. Doesn't make much sense to have two Mississippi schools and only one Florida school in the South Eastern Conference.

Arkansas? Can you be anymore irrelevant in college football talk unless of course you are talking Vandy

Vandy won an NC is baseball a few years ago.

Arkansas can gtfo too