(07-19-2023 08:46 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:42 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:35 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Buyer's remorse. Conference payouts:

Not really. They are fine taking 5-8 million less a year if it means rubbing shoulder with a lot of state flagships, Cal, and Stanford.

Dude, the Colo president just said this:

When asked if there was a target payout number that CU would like to see from the Pac-12, DiStefano replied:

“You’d like to see it at — I think all along, we’ve talked about (and have been) looking at, what the ACC and the Big 12 (have received) and what the SEC and the Big Ten are getting, and wanting to be kind of in the middle of the pack — probably to be third, behind the SEC. That’s been the goal for such a long time.”

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He's sick of being last place in conference rev. They did not sign up for that.

They could have left at any point in the last five years when they were making less but didn't.

(07-19-2023 09:08 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 09:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:22 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 07:59 PM)Huan Wrote:  Why did the tweet included#Big12?

The article includes a writeup about CU to Big 12 Speculation and the CU Chancellor even comments on that speculation.

John Kurtz is live, and it does sounds like Colorado is staying in the PAC 12 as the numbers seemed to satisfied them all.

Let us know if you end up going live on YT.

I am trying. Still helping my mom out. Long recovery for her.

If the numbers are good enough to keep the PAC together then that’s great, better for the sport.

(07-19-2023 09:15 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If the numbers are good enough to keep the PAC together then that’s great, better for the sport.

Yes, the more variety in major conferences the better for college sports. Increased consolidation leads to less choices.

Quote:DiStefano added that he had yet to see a “final number on media rights (from Kliavkoff) … that’s why we’re meeting tomorrow.”

Well, that's the million[s] dollar question. We just heard that a deal would not likely get announced until sometime in August or later. This is another update meeting on where things are it would seem. Stay tuned...

This is what seems most plausible...

(07-19-2023 08:11 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:06 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  FWIW

Rule #174 in realignment is never trust MHver3… but those numbers sound pretty legit. I’d imagine this will leak at some point tomorrow by other credible sources.

Nah it's laughable. That split does jack crap for both Amazon and Apple given how their model works.

It's either a Frankenstein of ESPN, CBS, and CW or it's 100% Apple/Amazon with a weekly game simulcast on CW.

(07-19-2023 07:31 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Quote:... wanting to be kind of in the middle of the pack — probably to be third, behind the SEC. That’s been the goal for such a long time.”

DiStefano added that he had yet to see a “final number on media rights (from Kliavkoff) … that’s why we’re meeting tomorrow.”

What am I missing? I don't see a number.

"Want to be third" is likely very different from what's being offered.

DiStefano's "final number" "tomorrow" sounds like "last chance." And would he believe only wishy-washy words such as "target," "possible," etc. if no contracts are presented?

(07-19-2023 08:47 PM)CFBLurker Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:30 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:01 PM)Alanda Wrote:  I'm guessing this will be for the more detailed framework that Dellenger talked about a couple weeks ago.

Most likely this.

But it would be nice if there was a number attached.

His comment about being wanting the per team payout to be the 3rd highest among the P5 is just not realistic in the current market.

I don't know how these decisions makers are so detached from the truth.

Just ad reality based as Big 12 fans believing they have the third pace deal

Assuming the PAC can't get a deal that surpasses either (looks like it'll be low or limited exposure) the Big 12 or ACC I expect the other two to be neck and neck. The ACC has the boost of the ACC network growing before cord cutting limits it too much while the Big 12 figures to get a pay raise after this deal is up in a few years and the ACC is locked into a deal until 2036.

I'll be very surprised if a PAC deal catches either in actuality. I could however see them tout a sticker price number for a streaming deal that would appear to beat it but be based on unrealistic subscriber assumptions. This number wouldn't come close to reality as years played out- just like P12N.

(07-19-2023 10:25 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:47 PM)CFBLurker Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:30 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:01 PM)Alanda Wrote:  I'm guessing this will be for the more detailed framework that Dellenger talked about a couple weeks ago.

Most likely this.

But it would be nice if there was a number attached.

His comment about being wanting the per team payout to be the 3rd highest among the P5 is just not realistic in the current market.

I don't know how these decisions makers are so detached from the truth.

Just ad reality based as Big 12 fans believing they have the third pace deal

Assuming the PAC can't get a deal that surpasses either (looks like it'll be low or limited exposure) the Big 12 or ACC I expect the other two to be neck and neck. The ACC has the boost of the ACC network growing before cord cutting limits it too much while the Big 12 figures to get a pay raise after this deal is up in a few years and the ACC is locked into a deal until 2036.

I'll be very surprised if a PAC deal catches either in actuality. I could however see them tout a sticker price number for a streaming deal that would appear to beat it but be based on unrealistic subscriber assumptions. This number wouldn't come close to reality as years played out- just like P12N.

The ACC paid out 39.9 million in 2022. I really don't see any pathway to 40 million for the PAC 12 if, as in the OP's post, they believe they will be third in media revenue. I believe that to be an idle boast. Now as to whether they top the 32 million the New Big 12 will receive for their T1 and T2 plus whatever the T3 is, maybe they match it. We'll see.

(07-19-2023 07:52 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Prime not going to media day is telling, for me. It’s one of the key storylines this year among others. Should be a hell of a year for the PAC. Go out with a bang USCLA (and then burn in irrelevance hopefully).

It is disappointing but given the surgeries he is recovering from its not unexpected. I don't think he'd have shown up in his current physical shape for an SEC or B1G media day. I would not read anything more into it. We all hope he recovers quickly and well.

(07-19-2023 08:06 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  FWIW

So, he is saying he talks to himself when he looks in the mirror.

(07-19-2023 08:46 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:42 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:35 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Buyer's remorse. Conference payouts:

Not really. They are fine taking 5-8 million less a year if it means rubbing shoulder with a lot of state flagships, Cal, and Stanford.

Dude, the Colo president just said this:

When asked if there was a target payout number that CU would like to see from the Pac-12, DiStefano replied:

“You’d like to see it at — I think all along, we’ve talked about (and have been) looking at, what the ACC and the Big 12 (have received) and what the SEC and the Big Ten are getting, and wanting to be kind of in the middle of the pack — probably to be third, behind the SEC. That’s been the goal for such a long time.”

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He's sick of being last place in conference rev. They did not sign up for that.

Correct. There is a very real possibility that after deducting Pac-12 Network operating fees from the Pac-12 media deal revenue which could already be $8-10M year less, and not having a separate 3rd tier rights deal like Big 12 schools have, the fear is that $8M a year gap could well be $15-20M per year in the next cycle. If that is the case, it's ripcord pull time.

(07-19-2023 08:30 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:01 PM)Alanda Wrote:  I'm guessing this will be for the more detailed framework that Dellenger talked about a couple weeks ago.

Most likely this.

But it would be nice if there was a number attached.

His comment about being wanting the per team payout to be the 3rd highest among the P5 is just not realistic in the current market.

I don't know how these decisions makers are so detached from the truth.

Yeah hearing a number would be nice. And with all of these presidents/chancellors talking about the PAC being third, I'm wondering what type(s) of metrics they are using and hearing to think that will happen.

(07-19-2023 09:12 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:46 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:42 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:35 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Buyer's remorse. Conference payouts:

Not really. They are fine taking 5-8 million less a year if it means rubbing shoulder with a lot of state flagships, Cal, and Stanford.

Dude, the Colo president just said this:

When asked if there was a target payout number that CU would like to see from the Pac-12, DiStefano replied:

“You’d like to see it at — I think all along, we’ve talked about (and have been) looking at, what the ACC and the Big 12 (have received) and what the SEC and the Big Ten are getting, and wanting to be kind of in the middle of the pack — probably to be third, behind the SEC. That’s been the goal for such a long time.”

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He's sick of being last place in conference rev. They did not sign up for that.

They could have left at any point in the last five years when they were making less but didn't.

USC and UCLA were still there for the last 5 years.

Now, the LA market is gone from meaningful TV numbers while any recruiting advantage that playing in Southern CA boasted is dust.

We all understand that losing Oklahoma and Texas hurt the overall value of the Big 12, but people don't seem to want to accept that losing the LA market was a different animal. It would be equivalent to the Big 12 losing both Texas and Oklahoma and simultaneously not having anyone else in those markets capable of providing exposure. That's the difference in the situation.

The biggest brands in TX are gone, true, but there are several schools with a slice of the pie that make the market relevant. Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, and Houston along with Oklahoma State still give the Big 12 a solid presence even if their fan base size is now smaller.

Compare that to the PAC 12's situation...

The LA market no longer has a presence at all, not even one capable of playing 2nd fiddle. It's done. Even adding San Diego State would be a band-aid. They don't have a significant fan base in their own market, much less in LA. The only real advantage that SDSU provides is exposure to recruits. As a percentage of the population, there's hardly a fan base to speak of in Northern CA so having Stanford and Cal-Berkley is pennies on the dollar compared to the value of USC and UCLA. If the numbers said anything different the Big Ten would be all over the Bay Area with at least one of those schools. Oregon and Washington are a more valuable combo and the Big Ten wasn't real interested when push came to shove.

The remaining members of the PAC can limp on if they wish, but the league was not set up to withstand major losses and remain competitive with other Power conferences. If anyone in that league cares about media payouts then they're not in a good spot. Sure, they desire to stay together, but that's only one variable in the equation.

(07-19-2023 08:06 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  FWIW

I realize this dude is probably just some random clown on the internet, but can someone please lay out the numbers/framework he is supposedly projecting?

I don’t have twitter, when I click on the tweet it won’t let me view the thread of comments below it, and when I click on his profile it won’t load any of his posts. So I’m just seeing the initial tweet with no details.

Thank you in advance

(07-19-2023 07:52 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Prime not going to media day is telling, for me. It’s one of the key storylines this year among others. Should be a hell of a year for the PAC. Go out with a bang USCLA (and then burn in irrelevance hopefully).

Isn't he battling some rather serious medical issues? He's probably recovering and avoiding unwarranted travel.

(07-19-2023 10:25 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:47 PM)CFBLurker Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:30 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:01 PM)Alanda Wrote:  I'm guessing this will be for the more detailed framework that Dellenger talked about a couple weeks ago.

Most likely this.

But it would be nice if there was a number attached.

His comment about being wanting the per team payout to be the 3rd highest among the P5 is just not realistic in the current market.

I don't know how these decisions makers are so detached from the truth.

Just ad reality based as Big 12 fans believing they have the third pace deal

Assuming the PAC can't get a deal that surpasses either (looks like it'll be low or limited exposure) the Big 12 or ACC I expect the other two to be neck and neck. The ACC has the boost of the ACC network growing before cord cutting limits it too much while the Big 12 figures to get a pay raise after this deal is up in a few years and the ACC is locked into a deal until 2036.

I'll be very surprised if a PAC deal catches either in actuality. I could however see them tout a sticker price number for a streaming deal that would appear to beat it but be based on unrealistic subscriber assumptions. This number wouldn't come close to reality as years played out- just like P12N.

Source? It seems like Yormark is already trying to think out of the box and negotiate football separately from basketball. That tells me the exact opposite of what you're saying, which is in seven years, not a few.

(07-20-2023 06:16 AM)Nameless Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 08:06 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  FWIW

I realize this dude is probably just some random clown on the internet, but can someone please lay out the numbers/framework he is supposedly projecting?

I don’t have twitter, when I click on the tweet it won’t let me view the thread of comments below it, and when I click on his profile it won’t load any of his posts. So I’m just seeing the initial tweet with no details.

Thank you in advance

Apple gets Tier 3.... 3 FB games Sat afternoon... 40 million.
AMZN gets Tier 2 Friday night, couple of BB games a week... 60 million
ESPN gets Tier 1... (mostly UO/UW/Utah/Prime home games after dark)... 3 BB games a week... 75 million

Apple would be able to sublease some of those games to a linear partner, which could get each school over 20 million. No production costs as Apple would essentially be acquiring and operating the PAC Network.

All of this is from a Big 12 source that has talked to a PAC 12 guy. I have no idea why the Pac 12 guy would be giving out that information, unless the Pac 12 guy has his own source and is not directly employed or connected to the conference.

This is a good deal, but it shouldn't even be close to keeping CU in the conference. It's unlikely CU would ever get Tier 1 exposure aside from a game or two a year. What would be more interesting is can they get those numbers with SDSU in lieu of CU, and I think they can, but SDSU would probably not get full shares, and the TV deal would take a hit for not having them in time for '24. But that's just my take.

Not to piggyback off DavidSt, but I think FSU and BSU would really boost the numbers by 1-2 million if they could add a Thursday after dark game that kicks off the second half right after TNF wraps up around 10:45-11:00pm ET, not to mention the regional Saturday afternoon coverage.

(07-20-2023 06:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  Isn't he battling some rather serious medical issues? He's probably recovering and avoiding unwarranted travel.

"Colorado football coach Deion Sanders will miss the Pac-12 Conference's annual football media day on Friday after announcing Wednesday that he will have another surgery to remove blood clots in one of his legs...his video Wednesday said that he would also have surgery to straighten out two of the remaining toes on his left foot."

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/c...434720007/