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RE: Was JFK a Red?
(07-18-2023 10:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-18-2023 03:49 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Here's the quote in question from his inauguration speech:

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."

If you read it enough times wouldn't you get the impression that this is something you might had heard in the Soviet Union or even Mao's China?
Ask not what your country can do for you is about as anti socialist a sentiment as one can express. Ask what you can do for your country was almost lifted from Thomas Payne when he spoke about Fair weather friends and Sunshine Patriots. It was a call for personal sacrifice to make America better at a time when spoiled children over pampered by WWII fathers were coming of age. You know, the ones who would become hippies, follow Timothy Leary, and Tune in to cults like Leary's Turn On to drugs, and Drop Out of being a meaningful part of society.

Frankly this is what pisses me off about our current public education system. They lie like a damn socialist rug when it comes to putting history into its proper context and they lift one remark here or there out of context to paint as the truth nothing more than their lies.

They want old people dead and gone. Wanna know why? We lived the truth and know their lies the instant the bastards tell one.

If you want to suspect someone of being a Red you need look no farther than a college professor, or a high school teacher. You'll find more reds there and working for the media than anywhere else in this country. And those stupid idiots adore the CEO's of the corporations who fund them thinking they are socialists too. How stupid is that! To think that billionaires who are funding them to do their dirty work (the most crony perk oriented capitalists in the world are socialists?) want to spread the wealth? Hell those jerks are all would be Mussolinis and Hitlers.

You won't find but one whacko leftist (in practice) President prior to JFK and his name was Wilson. FDR was using socialistic principles to try to get us out of the great depression and was failing. Then along came the greatest depression buster ever, a big ass World War. It kills excess labor, breaks everything in sight spurring production, and puts everyone back to work, and if you win there are spoils.

I agree. Public Education has destroyed the minds of many young people who will never come out of the abyss. I don't buy into the lie that Communism is good, but I also don't buy that every President is worthy of praise and worship. Every single president since Washington, Jefferson, and Madison has been compromised in some way by the NWO, which really has been in existence since the reign of Napolean (see the Rothschilds). Only those three knew how to properly run the country. Lincoln was the first president dictator who suspended habeus corpus during the Civil War. Why do you think Obama revered him so much? He wanted to the same thing to conservatives who were critical of him. When Lincoln won the Civil War, it got the ball rolling on the big centralized government that we're currently being enslaved under. FDR is the one who set us down the road we're on in terms of the welfare state, which we will never get off of. Maybe I misjudged JFK. On the surface of it, he seemed like a well mannered man, despite his proclivitites for women (see Marylin Monroe) that was unfortunately connected to a known crime family. I'm even willing to bet that some of his own family members had a hand in plotting his death because they didn't want to lose the money that the NWO was giving them.
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RE: Was JFK a Red?
Well, looks like this backfired big time.
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(07-18-2023 10:00 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  I enjoy the fact that every one of Andy's posts is more bat **** crazy than the last

I'm spotting a trend here too.
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(07-19-2023 01:57 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(07-18-2023 11:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-18-2023 10:00 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  I enjoy the fact that every one of Andy's posts is more bat **** crazy than the last

+3

loony as **** and sometimes I believe he's wearing a straight jacket instead of Arm forces uniform

At least I'm serving, which is more than I can say for you.

Serving what? A communist country? Why would you even do that...unless you have communistic ideals yourself. Is this a smoke screen?

Every time I think you've outdone yourself you tell us to hold your beer.

I pegged you from day one and nothing you've said since has caused me to change my mind. In fact, everything you've said since has only reinforced my first impression. You are either a leftist in disguise or you lack the convictions of your ideals to stand firmly behind them and don't know for yourself where on the ideological spectrum you fall.
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(07-19-2023 02:09 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Well, looks like this backfired big time.

Then stop setting yourself up to be taken down.
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RE: Was JFK a Red?
I'd say that the Kennedy's are from Massachusetts he was more likely a Red Sox fan than a Reds fan.
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(07-19-2023 07:43 AM)mlb Wrote:  I'd say that the Kennedy's are from Massachusetts he was more likely a Red Sox fan than a Reds fan.

Idk... Is it a coincidence the Reds won the NL pennant the first year that JFK was in office? Seems pretty fishy to me...
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(07-19-2023 07:43 AM)mlb Wrote:  I'd say that the Kennedy's are from Massachusetts he was more likely a Red Sox fan than a Reds fan.

Well done.
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(07-18-2023 03:49 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Here's the quote in question from his inauguration speech:

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."

If you read it enough times wouldn't you get the impression that this is something you might had heard in the Soviet Union or even Mao's China?

That doesn't sound Communist at all to me. Almost the exact opposite in fact. A Communist believes that the state should take care of everybody.
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(07-19-2023 07:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(07-19-2023 01:57 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(07-18-2023 11:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-18-2023 10:00 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  I enjoy the fact that every one of Andy's posts is more bat **** crazy than the last

+3

loony as **** and sometimes I believe he's wearing a straight jacket instead of Arm forces uniform

At least I'm serving, which is more than I can say for you.

Serving what? A communist country? Why would you even do that...unless you have communistic ideals yourself. Is this a smoke screen?

Every time I think you've outdone yourself you tell us to hold your beer.

I pegged you from day one and nothing you've said since has caused me to change my mind. In fact, everything you've said since has only reinforced my first impression. You are either a leftist in disguise or you lack the convictions of your ideals to stand firmly behind them and don't know for yourself where on the ideological spectrum you fall.

Definitely more of the latter than the former.
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(07-19-2023 07:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(07-19-2023 01:57 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(07-18-2023 11:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-18-2023 10:00 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  I enjoy the fact that every one of Andy's posts is more bat **** crazy than the last

+3

loony as **** and sometimes I believe he's wearing a straight jacket instead of Arm forces uniform

At least I'm serving, which is more than I can say for you.

Serving what? A communist country? Why would you even do that...unless you have communistic ideals yourself. Is this a smoke screen?

Every time I think you've outdone yourself you tell us to hold your beer.

I pegged you from day one and nothing you've said since has caused me to change my mind. In fact, everything you've said since has only reinforced my first impression. You are either a leftist in disguise or you lack the convictions of your ideals to stand firmly behind them and don't know for yourself where on the ideological spectrum you fall.

Also, if I was a leftist in disguse, why would you agree with me when I make a statement on something that's on the right side politically?
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(07-19-2023 07:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(07-19-2023 01:57 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(07-18-2023 11:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-18-2023 10:00 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  I enjoy the fact that every one of Andy's posts is more bat **** crazy than the last

+3

loony as **** and sometimes I believe he's wearing a straight jacket instead of Arm forces uniform

At least I'm serving, which is more than I can say for you.

Serving what? A communist country? Why would you even do that...unless you have communistic ideals yourself. Is this a smoke screen?

Every time I think you've outdone yourself you tell us to hold your beer.

I pegged you from day one and nothing you've said since has caused me to change my mind. In fact, everything you've said since has only reinforced my first impression. You are either a leftist in disguise or you lack the convictions of your ideals to stand firmly behind them and don't know for yourself where on the ideological spectrum you fall.

I'm not serving in a communist country. I'm serving in the US Army, nor do I have communistic ideals.
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I really don't know what to say anymore. I have repeatedly said that I am not a leftist, nor do I have leftist values. Unfortunately, people still don't believe me, and they're beyond my help at this point. I have a bad habit of making enemies for no reason. In the words of the creators of South Park, I don't like Republicans but I really don't like Democrats. That sums up my political beliefs. If anything, this thread was a strech.
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(07-19-2023 12:34 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  I really don't know what to say anymore. I have repeatedly said that I am not a leftist, nor do I have leftist values. Unfortunately, people still don't believe me, and they're beyond my help at this point. I have a bad habit of making enemies for no reason. In the words of the creators of South Park, I don't like Republicans but I really don't like Democrats. That sums up my political beliefs. If anything, this thread was a strech.

Chin up. I'm an old cold warrior. I didn't take you for a commie, nor do I have an issue with you. You are likely about my grandchildren's age as have I one in Europe now in our Army. Your generation just didn't get a solid fact based education in history. So instead of writing a provocative statement and getting pounced upon by those who lived through whatever you are stating. Ask questions instead of making assertions. They are open ended, will lead to more civil discussions, and you will learn from people who were actually there.

I knew an older woman (think 78) in a nursing home I had to go to in Atlanta. She was Austrian by birth and this was in the 1990's. Her father had been a general in the Prussian Army. When Austria was taken over in the Anschluss her father was pressed into the service for the Third Reich. She was in her late teens at the time. Goebbels, Himler, and Hitler forced her father to have dinner with them once a year at his home. All of his family was required to be there. Why? Because having them present was a reminder to him of what he stood to lose if he changed allegiances. It was a period of intimidation. She recalled her father's instructions not to speak unless spoken to, to smile even if they were nervous, and to answer any direct questions with short to the point answers and to always refer to Hitler as Mein Fuehrer.

My point. History books and history lessons never conveyed to me the anxiety that such an occupation, even between closely aligned countries, that could exist when the people are forced to accept someone as their leader whom they did not support prior to the leader's ascendency. Americans now know just a small portion of that fear of tomorrow, and if that woman taught me anything it's that once such a regime is in place the fear only goes up as the regime grows more unpopular.

2020 was a kind of an American Anschluss in what happened is a conspiracy, and the lies that followed may not be challenged without threat. It only gets worse if we get to a point where elections are suspended, and COVID this time around could be such an excuse, especially if the Arcturus strain is claimed to be more deadly than the others. I can't imagine that high fever and conjunctivitis qualifies, but all it will take is the declaration of a medical emergency by the W.H.O. or C.D.C. and once again dictatorial powers will be claimed.

And that's why the young need to believe nothing they hear, talk to the elderly, and weigh what they hear with what they see happening in order to know the truth.
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(07-19-2023 12:34 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  I really don't know what to say anymore. I have repeatedly said that I am not a leftist, nor do I have leftist values. Unfortunately, people still don't believe me, and they're beyond my help at this point. I have a bad habit of making enemies for no reason. In the words of the creators of South Park, I don't like Republicans but I really don't like Democrats. That sums up my political beliefs. If anything, this thread was a strech.

You know what? Thank you for your service.

I have a bad habit of sometimes jumping to wrong conclusions.

Again, and sincerely, thanks for serving, my old man was a 25 year Army M.P. who served in two wars.
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(07-18-2023 03:15 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  I've been thinking about JFK's inauguration speech, especially his famous line that's been quoted for eternity. After thinking about it, it sounds very communisitic, if benign in delivery. We all know the Kennedy family is a crime family, but would JFK add to that legacy of criminallity if he was Red, if only a benign one?


JFK would be turning in his grave right now as he was the true sense of the Liberals who was not afraid to stand up to dictators and so strength and courage against Fidel, the Communists of both China and Russia, and other places. We need a JFK right now more than we need Trump or Biden.
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(07-19-2023 03:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-19-2023 12:34 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  I really don't know what to say anymore. I have repeatedly said that I am not a leftist, nor do I have leftist values. Unfortunately, people still don't believe me, and they're beyond my help at this point. I have a bad habit of making enemies for no reason. In the words of the creators of South Park, I don't like Republicans but I really don't like Democrats. That sums up my political beliefs. If anything, this thread was a strech.

Chin up. I'm an old cold warrior. I didn't take you for a commie, nor do I have an issue with you. You are likely about my grandchildren's age as have I one in Europe now in our Army. Your generation just didn't get a solid fact based education in history. So instead of writing a provocative statement and getting pounced upon by those who lived through whatever you are stating. Ask questions instead of making assertions. They are open ended, will lead to more civil discussions, and you will learn from people who were actually there.

I knew an older woman (think 78) in a nursing home I had to go to in Atlanta. She was Austrian by birth and this was in the 1990's. Her father had been a general in the Prussian Army. When Austria was taken over in the Anschluss her father was pressed into the service for the Third Reich. She was in her late teens at the time. Goebbels, Himler, and Hitler forced her father to have dinner with them once a year at his home. All of his family was required to be there. Why? Because having them present was a reminder to him of what he stood to lose if he changed allegiances. It was a period of intimidation. She recalled her father's instructions not to speak unless spoken to, to smile even if they were nervous, and to answer any direct questions with short to the point answers and to always refer to Hitler as Mein Fuehrer.

My point. History books and history lessons never conveyed to me the anxiety that such an occupation, even between closely aligned countries, that could exist when the people are forced to accept someone as their leader whom they did not support prior to the leader's ascendency. Americans now know just a small portion of that fear of tomorrow, and if that woman taught me anything it's that once such a regime is in place the fear only goes up as the regime grows more unpopular.

2020 was a kind of an American Anschluss in what happened is a conspiracy, and the lies that followed may not be challenged without threat. It only gets worse if we get to a point where elections are suspended, and COVID this time around could be such an excuse, especially if the Arcturus strain is claimed to be more deadly than the others. I can't imagine that high fever and conjunctivitis qualifies, but all it will take is the declaration of a medical emergency by the W.H.O. or C.D.C. and once again dictatorial powers will be claimed.

And that's why the young need to believe nothing they hear, talk to the elderly, and weigh what they hear with what they see happening in order to know the truth.

This needs to go on the JR wall of quotes.
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