get in there and vote!

Voted for the good guys....but Texas State has a damn fine stadium.

Texas state is a sleeping giant in our league.

They just need a “2004” moment and they’ll take off like we did.

Since parking has been a hot topic here lately as well. Anyone ever tailgate in a similar lot with one way traffic and 45 degree parking? It doesn't seem to allow any tailgating space directly behind one's vehicle.

(07-09-2023 02:45 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Texas state is a sleeping giant in our league.

They just need a “2004” moment and they’ll take off like we did.

No they're not. They're 16th fiddle in their state and are small time compared to the big brothers up the road. Both Austin and San Antonio also offer pro sports as a further distraction.

They're a small fish in an ocean.

(07-10-2023 08:44 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(07-09-2023 02:45 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Texas state is a sleeping giant in our league.

They just need a “2004” moment and they’ll take off like we did.

No they're not. They're 16th fiddle in their state and are small time compared to the big brothers up the road. Both Austin and San Antonio also offer pro sports as a further distraction.

They're a small fish in an ocean.

Bingo! They may be a nice destination for a trip and a party school, but their football program has a long way to go to be relevant.

(07-10-2023 08:44 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(07-09-2023 02:45 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Texas state is a sleeping giant in our league.

They just need a “2004” moment and they’ll take off like we did.

No they're not. They're 16th fiddle in their state and are small time compared to the big brothers up the road. Both Austin and San Antonio also offer pro sports as a further distraction.

They're a small fish in an ocean.

we shall see.

Texas is a huge state with tons of talent.
7 times the size of Virginia. So if we are 3rd in stature in our state/area, that would put us 21st in Texas equivalency by geography.

obviously that is not an accurate way to measure, but it's naive to think Texas can't support many strong programs given the size and the football hotbed that the state is.

they have huge potential.

(07-10-2023 09:09 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 08:44 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(07-09-2023 02:45 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Texas state is a sleeping giant in our league.

They just need a “2004” moment and they’ll take off like we did.

No they're not. They're 16th fiddle in their state and are small time compared to the big brothers up the road. Both Austin and San Antonio also offer pro sports as a further distraction.

They're a small fish in an ocean.

we shall see.

Texas is a huge state with tons of talent.
7 times the size of Virginia. So if we are 3rd in stature in our state/area, that would put us 21st in Texas equivalency by geography.

obviously that is not an accurate way to measure, but it's naive to think Texas can't support many strong programs given the size and the football hotbed that the state is.

they have huge potential.

Texas only has 3x the population of Virginia. Both states are getting close to being oversaturated for FBS teams.

Texas St does have the advantage of being close to both Austin and San Antonio. They have the disadvantage of having UT and UTSA in their backyard to compete with.

While I agree to an extent that Texas St has a ton of potential, I'm not sure if they will ever realize it. Market alone isn't enough. If VCU or GMU added football, would they be an automatic success? I sort of doubt it. SHSU is an 1.5 hours outside Houston, but I don't see them becoming bigtime. Nor do I see much success for UCA, SFA, and Tarleton if they move. Simply existing in a big state/market is not enough. It has (traditionally) helped with conference media money, though it looks like this is changing, and it is becoming more about brands over markets now. In other words, fanbase and eyeballs will matter more than where you exist.

(07-10-2023 09:44 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 09:09 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 08:44 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(07-09-2023 02:45 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Texas state is a sleeping giant in our league.

They just need a “2004” moment and they’ll take off like we did.

No they're not. They're 16th fiddle in their state and are small time compared to the big brothers up the road. Both Austin and San Antonio also offer pro sports as a further distraction.

They're a small fish in an ocean.

we shall see.

Texas is a huge state with tons of talent.
7 times the size of Virginia. So if we are 3rd in stature in our state/area, that would put us 21st in Texas equivalency by geography.

obviously that is not an accurate way to measure, but it's naive to think Texas can't support many strong programs given the size and the football hotbed that the state is.

they have huge potential.

Texas only has 3x the population of Virginia. Both states are getting close to being oversaturated for FBS teams.

Texas St does have the advantage of being close to both Austin and San Antonio. They have the disadvantage of having UT and UTSA in their backyard to compete with.

While I agree to an extent that Texas St has a ton of potential, I'm not sure if they will ever realize it. Market alone isn't enough. If VCU or GMU added football, would they be an automatic success? I sort of doubt it. SHSU is an 1.5 hours outside Houston, but I don't see them becoming bigtime. Nor do I see much success for UCA, SFA, and Tarleton if they move. Simply existing in a big state/market is not enough. It has (traditionally) helped with conference media money, though it looks like this is changing, and it is becoming more about brands over markets now. In other words, fanbase and eyeballs will matter more than where you exist.

my thoughts on them have nothing to do with market.

markets don't mean squat.

School makeup is more important. They are a big school with a large undergraduate population, not a commuter school so school spirit is high. They have shown at times they will support their programs, but like many, when losing...it's tough.

they just need that spark.

(07-10-2023 10:01 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 09:44 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 09:09 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 08:44 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(07-09-2023 02:45 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Texas state is a sleeping giant in our league.

They just need a “2004” moment and they’ll take off like we did.

No they're not. They're 16th fiddle in their state and are small time compared to the big brothers up the road. Both Austin and San Antonio also offer pro sports as a further distraction.

They're a small fish in an ocean.

we shall see.

Texas is a huge state with tons of talent.
7 times the size of Virginia. So if we are 3rd in stature in our state/area, that would put us 21st in Texas equivalency by geography.

obviously that is not an accurate way to measure, but it's naive to think Texas can't support many strong programs given the size and the football hotbed that the state is.

they have huge potential.

Texas only has 3x the population of Virginia. Both states are getting close to being oversaturated for FBS teams.

Texas St does have the advantage of being close to both Austin and San Antonio. They have the disadvantage of having UT and UTSA in their backyard to compete with.

While I agree to an extent that Texas St has a ton of potential, I'm not sure if they will ever realize it. Market alone isn't enough. If VCU or GMU added football, would they be an automatic success? I sort of doubt it. SHSU is an 1.5 hours outside Houston, but I don't see them becoming bigtime. Nor do I see much success for UCA, SFA, and Tarleton if they move. Simply existing in a big state/market is not enough. It has (traditionally) helped with conference media money, though it looks like this is changing, and it is becoming more about brands over markets now. In other words, fanbase and eyeballs will matter more than where you exist.

my thoughts on them have nothing to do with market.

markets don't mean squat.

School makeup is more important. They are a big school with a large undergraduate population, not a commuter school so school spirit is high. They have shown at times they will support their programs, but like many, when losing...it's tough.

they just need that spark.

I tend to agree. I think back roughly 20 - 25 years ago and I'd say we were very much underachievers on the football field ourselves. We'd only occasionally made the playoffs and when we did, we didn't advance and almost always had to play on the road. We not only broke out, we won the title with every game played on the road. We instantly became a program others could not look past. We began having successful runs often. 2008 was incredible. Then the win at Tech. Our fan base came out from behind the barn. I believe this is the type success Duke Dawg is saying has the potential to happen for Texas State.

(07-11-2023 08:14 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 10:01 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 09:44 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 09:09 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 08:44 AM)Potomac Wrote:  No they're not. They're 16th fiddle in their state and are small time compared to the big brothers up the road. Both Austin and San Antonio also offer pro sports as a further distraction.

They're a small fish in an ocean.

we shall see.

Texas is a huge state with tons of talent.
7 times the size of Virginia. So if we are 3rd in stature in our state/area, that would put us 21st in Texas equivalency by geography.

obviously that is not an accurate way to measure, but it's naive to think Texas can't support many strong programs given the size and the football hotbed that the state is.

they have huge potential.

Texas only has 3x the population of Virginia. Both states are getting close to being oversaturated for FBS teams.

Texas St does have the advantage of being close to both Austin and San Antonio. They have the disadvantage of having UT and UTSA in their backyard to compete with.

While I agree to an extent that Texas St has a ton of potential, I'm not sure if they will ever realize it. Market alone isn't enough. If VCU or GMU added football, would they be an automatic success? I sort of doubt it. SHSU is an 1.5 hours outside Houston, but I don't see them becoming bigtime. Nor do I see much success for UCA, SFA, and Tarleton if they move. Simply existing in a big state/market is not enough. It has (traditionally) helped with conference media money, though it looks like this is changing, and it is becoming more about brands over markets now. In other words, fanbase and eyeballs will matter more than where you exist.

my thoughts on them have nothing to do with market.

markets don't mean squat.

School makeup is more important. They are a big school with a large undergraduate population, not a commuter school so school spirit is high. They have shown at times they will support their programs, but like many, when losing...it's tough.

they just need that spark.

I tend to agree. I think back roughly 20 - 25 years ago and I'd say we were very much underachievers on the football field ourselves. We'd only occasionally made the playoffs and when we did, we didn't advance and almost always had to play on the road. We not only broke out, we won the title with every game played on the road. We instantly became a program others could not look past. We began having successful runs often. 2008 was incredible. Then the win at Tech. Our fan base came out from behind the barn. I believe this is the type success Duke Dawg is saying has the potential to happen for Texas State.

The key to that is to have a MM type coach who goes 'all-in' with the school and isn't going to just jump at the next offer out there to climb up the coaching ladder.

Mickey probably stayed a year or two too long (we were pretty much mediocre from 2009-2013), but having a coach that is with a program for more than a decade with two magical seasons (2004, 2008) and three other pretty strong ones (1999, 2006 and 2007) is what it takes to really establish a program.

(07-10-2023 10:01 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  my thoughts on them have nothing to do with market.

markets don't mean squat.

School makeup is more important. They are a big school with a large undergraduate population, not a commuter school so school spirit is high. They have shown at times they will support their programs, but like many, when losing...it's tough.

they just need that spark.

Is it? Last year they averaged 17.5k in a 30k stadium, which was boosted by 25k on Family Weekend. Only 15.9k average in the other 5 games (aka ~50% capacity).

Looking at link below, TXST's average attendance was down slightly from '21 to '22 (-0.8%). Over the same period, TCU +18%, UNT +14%, Texas +9%, Texas Tech +8.5%, SMU +7.7%, Rice +2.1%, Baylor +1.6%, Houston +1.3%, and UTSA +0.7%. The only other Texas FBS school that saw a drop was Texas A&M falling from 103k to 97k.
https://www.d1ticker.com/2022-fbs-attendance-trends/

With a student population nearly twice that of JMUs (38.8k to 21.2k), their official football twitter account has 49k followers compared to JMU's 61k.

Somewhat random data points but they don't point to high school spirit.

(07-11-2023 10:14 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 10:01 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  my thoughts on them have nothing to do with market.

markets don't mean squat.

School makeup is more important. They are a big school with a large undergraduate population, not a commuter school so school spirit is high. They have shown at times they will support their programs, but like many, when losing...it's tough.

they just need that spark.

Is it? Last year they averaged 17.5k in a 30k stadium, which was boosted by 25k on Family Weekend. Only 15.9k average in the other 5 games (aka ~50% capacity).

Looking at link below, TXST's average attendance was down slightly from '21 to '22 (-0.8%). Over the same period, TCU +18%, UNT +14%, Texas +9%, Texas Tech +8.5%, SMU +7.7%, Rice +2.1%, Baylor +1.6%, Houston +1.3%, and UTSA +0.7%. The only other Texas FBS school that saw a drop was Texas A&M falling from 103k to 97k.
https://www.d1ticker.com/2022-fbs-attendance-trends/

With a student population nearly twice that of JMUs (38.8k to 21.2k), their official football twitter account has 49k followers compared to JMU's 61k.

Somewhat random data points but they don't point to high school spirit.

That's shockingly low attendance for a school that size. I don't think I appreciated how large Texas State is or how low their attendance is. Nice stadium though.

(07-11-2023 10:14 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(07-10-2023 10:01 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  my thoughts on them have nothing to do with market.

markets don't mean squat.

School makeup is more important. They are a big school with a large undergraduate population, not a commuter school so school spirit is high. They have shown at times they will support their programs, but like many, when losing...it's tough.

they just need that spark.

Is it? Last year they averaged 17.5k in a 30k stadium, which was boosted by 25k on Family Weekend. Only 15.9k average in the other 5 games (aka ~50% capacity).

Looking at link below, TXST's average attendance was down slightly from '21 to '22 (-0.8%). Over the same period, TCU +18%, UNT +14%, Texas +9%, Texas Tech +8.5%, SMU +7.7%, Rice +2.1%, Baylor +1.6%, Houston +1.3%, and UTSA +0.7%. The only other Texas FBS school that saw a drop was Texas A&M falling from 103k to 97k.
https://www.d1ticker.com/2022-fbs-attendance-trends/

With a student population nearly twice that of JMUs (38.8k to 21.2k), their official football twitter account has 49k followers compared to JMU's 61k.

Somewhat random data points but they don't point to high school spirit.

Winning is everything, and a cure for all attendance issues.

If Texas State’s new coach duplicates his success at Incarnate Word, he’ll recruit San Antonio well, and the wins, and fans will come.

next round vs Boise St

Love my BFS and alma mater, but objectively Boise St has a much more complete stadium, unless you're a blue field hater... which gives us a fighting chance. Hell, they've hosted bowl games even!

I actually think TXST > Boise, before considering the stupid blue turf. Boise looks pieced together with the endzone designs differing the sideline seats, the endzones appearing to have different pitch angles (likely to make it so the scoreboard could go on top of the other building), the random little corner endzone seats. I'm also not a fan of the top heavy press box and suites design and its slightly worse at Boise.

One thing I noticed is that both of those stadiums appear to have a lot more parking right outside the stadium than BFS.

Boise is definitely patch work...though a nice size. I'd say we win just based on blue field haters and the great shot with the bluestones

Overall we have had very favorable matchups in this meaningless and fun battle....I'd expect CSU to take the crown ....until BFS 2030 opens..

(07-12-2023 05:04 AM)JMU2K_DukeDawg Wrote:  Love my BFS and alma mater, but objectively Boise St has a much more complete stadium, unless you're a blue field hater... which gives us a fighting chance. Hell, they've hosted bowl games even!

Seriously? Boise’s stadium is an architectural patchwork that looks like cr*p. The famous blue field aside, Boise’s stadium is “complete”…it’s completely ugly.

Voting is now 50-50 with a little over 5 hours to go. If you haven’t voted for BFS now is the time to do it.