(07-12-2023 04:20 PM)Owl Is In Chains Wrote:  My understanding is that in rounds 11-20, the max a team can pay a player is $150K without penalty. Anything over that is allocated as an overage to the team's draft pool. Those amounts are not offset by anything. Therefore, if a team really wants a player from rounds 11 thru 20, they can pay up to $150K without a penalty.

I don't have time to go research this, but it feels like these numbers are significantly higher than from pre-covid drafts with over 40 rounds. If so, I think this makes it more likely that kids who are drafted sign.

I think it depends greatly on the player and his age. For someone like Durke, who was drafted entirely on potential as opposed to actual performance, and who has 2 years of eligibility remaining, one would think that if could return to school and demonstrate improved control of his pitches (translating into actual performance on the mound), he could greatly improve his draft standing...his future payout. To give that up for at most $150K doesn't sound like a smart decision to me.

(07-12-2023 04:28 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 04:20 PM)Owl Is In Chains Wrote:  My understanding is that in rounds 11-20, the max a team can pay a player is $150K without penalty. Anything over that is allocated as an overage to the team's draft pool. Those amounts are not offset by anything. Therefore, if a team really wants a player from rounds 11 thru 20, they can pay up to $150K without a penalty.

I don't have time to go research this, but it feels like these numbers are significantly higher than from pre-covid drafts with over 40 rounds. If so, I think this makes it more likely that kids who are drafted sign.

I think it depends greatly on the player and his age. For someone like Durke, who was drafted entirely on potential as opposed to actual performance, and who has 2 years of eligibility remaining, one would think that if could return to school and demonstrate improved control of his pitches (translating into actual performance on the mound), he could greatly improve his draft standing...his future payout. To give that up for at most $150K doesn't sound like a smart decision to me.

I don't disagree that potentially he can get substantially more with a good year. So much depends on the kid, his situation, his age, his family, etc. There are kids every year who pass on upwards of $1 mil signing bonuses for various reasons. I would guess they all think they will prove that they should get a bigger bonus in the future. Some want the college experience. There are others who have financial hardships. What if you stay and get hurt. I know there are guys who were frequently injured so they never reach their potential.

Ultimately, each kid has to evaluate their situation and make a choice. Unfortunately, there are no guarantees. It would suck to give up $200k (for illustrative purposes) and never get that offer again. It would also suck to take $200K and then play so great that it becomes clear that you could have gotten $1 mil if you had not signed.

(07-12-2023 04:20 PM)Owl Is In Chains Wrote:  My understanding is that in rounds 11-20, the max a team can pay a player is $150K without penalty. Anything over that is allocated as an overage to the team's draft pool. Those amounts are not offset by anything. Therefore, if a team really wants a player from rounds 11 thru 20, they can pay up to $150K without a penalty.

I don't have time to go research this, but it feels like these numbers are significantly higher than from pre-covid drafts with over 40 rounds. If so, I think this makes it more likely that kids who are drafted sign.

Pre Covid the number was $130,000 in rds 11-42

(07-12-2023 05:59 PM)Musicowl1965 Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 04:20 PM)Owl Is In Chains Wrote:  My understanding is that in rounds 11-20, the max a team can pay a player is $150K without penalty. Anything over that is allocated as an overage to the team's draft pool. Those amounts are not offset by anything. Therefore, if a team really wants a player from rounds 11 thru 20, they can pay up to $150K without a penalty.

I don't have time to go research this, but it feels like these numbers are significantly higher than from pre-covid drafts with over 40 rounds. If so, I think this makes it more likely that kids who are drafted sign.

Pre Covid the number was $130,000 in rds 11-42

When did they go to the draft pool money with penalties instead of "suggested" slots? Without the penalties, the yankees could pick up a kid in late rounds with a big bonus.

(07-12-2023 04:28 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 04:20 PM)Owl Is In Chains Wrote:  My understanding is that in rounds 11-20, the max a team can pay a player is $150K without penalty. Anything over that is allocated as an overage to the team's draft pool. Those amounts are not offset by anything. Therefore, if a team really wants a player from rounds 11 thru 20, they can pay up to $150K without a penalty.

I don't have time to go research this, but it feels like these numbers are significantly higher than from pre-covid drafts with over 40 rounds. If so, I think this makes it more likely that kids who are drafted sign.

I think it depends greatly on the player and his age. For someone like Durke, who was drafted entirely on potential as opposed to actual performance, and who has 2 years of eligibility remaining, one would think that if could return to school and demonstrate improved control of his pitches (translating into actual performance on the mound), he could greatly improve his draft standing...his future payout. To give that up for at most $150K doesn't sound like a smart decision to me.

As others have mentioned, it's not "at most" $150k.

Each pick in the first 10 rounds of the draft is assigned a slot value – the bonus money that a player at that pick should receive. Teams can offer players above or below that slot value, but it gives both players and teams an idea of what a pick should be paid. For the entire 20-round draft, teams are given a cap on how much they can spend based on where they’re picking and how many picks they have. If teams exceed that cap by more than 5% they are penalized future draft picks.

Teams can sign players in rounds 1-10 to significantly "underslot" deals in order to use money elsewhere. Rounds 6-10 are always full of college seniors who sign for peanuts. Then teams can use those savings to go overslot on other players--either 1st rounders or 2nd rounders who have bargaining power, or in some cases later round players.

For example, last year the Astros signed Ryan Clifford, their 11th rounder, for a bonus of $1,256,530. They did this by signing their 1st and 2nd round picks for roughly 100k under slot, and then drafting seniors or others without leverage in rounds 6-10 and signing them for next to nothing.

Based on the interview he just gave with local news Linskey is on his way to Arizona to sign.

Arizona college or MLB?

(07-13-2023 09:22 AM)The Green Owl Wrote:  Based on the interview he just gave with local news Linskey is on his way to Arizona to sign.

(07-13-2023 09:22 AM)The Green Owl Wrote:  Based on the interview he just gave with local news Linskey is on his way to Arizona to sign.

So we lose our 4 "best" relievers (Linskey, Long, Cienfuegos, Raj), along with Durke and Brogdon, from this year's pitching staff. Let's pray Micah Davis is fully recovered from his TJS, Stratton is healthy and Gallant has finally recovered from his freak concussion which kept him out of all of last season. I think Smith and McCracken are a very formidable #1 and #2, with very different pitching styles. I also like what I saw in Urbanczyk; I think he has the potential to be a solid mid-week starter for us. We need either Davis and Stratton to step up and become a reliable weekend starter for us, and both have the potential-- and stuff-- to do so if fully healthy. As for the bullpen, ugh. There's no one returning who was even average from last year's squad.

Do we have any incoming recruits (aside from the other FSU transfer) who could provide much-needed help on the mound? Regardless, I think Jose needs to find another couple pitchers off the portal if we're to have any chance to improve next year.

(07-13-2023 09:22 AM)The Green Owl Wrote:  Based on the interview he just gave with local news Linskey is on his way to Arizona to sign.

(07-13-2023 03:28 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  Arizona college or MLB?

(07-11-2023 03:54 PM)FYI ... On July 11, The Green Owl Wrote:  Linskey gone to the DBacks in the 16th. Good for him