(07-12-2023 09:08 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 08:51 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  But, UC is a fairly prestigious (top 100 by many metrics) academic institution that is the dominant university in a state of 3.6 million people (with no other FBS football programs). Top five men's and women's basketball programs. Top 30-ish baseball program. Name recognition. Near New York City. And a football program that seemingly is getting stabilized (and has shown the potential in the past to be respectable) by a solid coach.

Except Storrs is 138 miles from New York City. The University of Delaware is closer.

True.

(07-12-2023 08:51 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've posted many times previously: I feel UConn is far more attractive (in a general sense) that many posters on this board.

Yes, there are negatives (the Northeast is not a hotbed for college baseball and football, Husky football has been horrendous at times, UConn's budget problems, etc.)

But, UC is a fairly prestigious (top 100 by many metrics) academic institution that is the dominant university in a state of 3.6 million people (with no other FBS football programs). Top five men's and women's basketball programs. Top 30-ish baseball program. Name recognition. Near New York City. And a football program that seemingly is getting stabilized (and has shown the potential in the past to be respectable) by a solid coach.

How many posters would like to see such qualities in the schools for which they support?

Bruh, WE are "UC".

In the future please refer to the serf institution as "UConn" or "Jalepeno Bacon Mac & Cheese U".

(07-12-2023 12:53 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  In the future please refer to the serf institution as "UConn" or "Jalepeno Bacon Mac & Cheese U".

Given that this "serf institution" has an athletic department with an order of magnitude more success than Cincinnati's does, what does that make Cincinnati?

(07-12-2023 11:50 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 11:29 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Let this sink in: I bought almost 100 seats on the first level, tower side on the 40 yard yard line last year when Cuse visited UConn last year.

I can think of 100 better things to waste your money on

Fans of major college programs sometimes take road trips to see their team play on the road.

(07-12-2023 01:14 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 11:50 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 11:29 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Let this sink in: I bought almost 100 seats on the first level, tower side on the 40 yard yard line last year when Cuse visited UConn last year.

I can think of 100 better things to waste your money on

Fans of major college programs sometimes take road trips to see their team play on the road.

He could have bought twice as many seats in the endzone for a fraction of the price LOL

(07-12-2023 12:53 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 08:51 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've posted many times previously: I feel UConn is far more attractive (in a general sense) that many posters on this board.

Yes, there are negatives (the Northeast is not a hotbed for college baseball and football, Husky football has been horrendous at times, UConn's budget problems, etc.)

But, UC is a fairly prestigious (top 100 by many metrics) academic institution that is the dominant university in a state of 3.6 million people (with no other FBS football programs). Top five men's and women's basketball programs. Top 30-ish baseball program. Name recognition. Near New York City. And a football program that seemingly is getting stabilized (and has shown the potential in the past to be respectable) by a solid coach.

How many posters would like to see such qualities in the schools for which they support?

Bruh, WE are "UC".

In the future please refer to the serf institution as "UConn" or "Jalepeno Bacon Mac & Cheese U".

My apologies to Bearcat Nation and to my brother (a proud UC grad).

(07-12-2023 02:55 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 12:53 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 08:51 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've posted many times previously: I feel UConn is far more attractive (in a general sense) that many posters on this board.

Yes, there are negatives (the Northeast is not a hotbed for college baseball and football, Husky football has been horrendous at times, UConn's budget problems, etc.)

But, UC is a fairly prestigious (top 100 by many metrics) academic institution that is the dominant university in a state of 3.6 million people (with no other FBS football programs). Top five men's and women's basketball programs. Top 30-ish baseball program. Name recognition. Near New York City. And a football program that seemingly is getting stabilized (and has shown the potential in the past to be respectable) by a solid coach.

How many posters would like to see such qualities in the schools for which they support?

Bruh, WE are "UC".

In the future please refer to the serf institution as "UConn" or "Jalepeno Bacon Mac & Cheese U".

My apologies to Bearcat Nation and to my brother (a proud UC grad).

University of California?

(07-12-2023 12:53 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 08:51 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've posted many times previously: I feel UConn is far more attractive (in a general sense) that many posters on this board.

Yes, there are negatives (the Northeast is not a hotbed for college baseball and football, Husky football has been horrendous at times, UConn's budget problems, etc.)

But, UC is a fairly prestigious (top 100 by many metrics) academic institution that is the dominant university in a state of 3.6 million people (with no other FBS football programs). Top five men's and women's basketball programs. Top 30-ish baseball program. Name recognition. Near New York City. And a football program that seemingly is getting stabilized (and has shown the potential in the past to be respectable) by a solid coach.

How many posters would like to see such qualities in the schools for which they support?

Bruh, WE are "UC".

In the future please refer to the serf institution as "UConn" or "Jalepeno Bacon Mac & Cheese U".

Wasn’t there a thread somewhere about Cincinnati fans getting mouthy with others on this board?

I thought that mostly about the four newest members of the nBig 12, not necessarily about Bearcat fans specifically. Nick Van Exel lives.

As you were.

(07-12-2023 02:58 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 02:55 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 12:53 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 08:51 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've posted many times previously: I feel UConn is far more attractive (in a general sense) that many posters on this board.

Yes, there are negatives (the Northeast is not a hotbed for college baseball and football, Husky football has been horrendous at times, UConn's budget problems, etc.)

But, UC is a fairly prestigious (top 100 by many metrics) academic institution that is the dominant university in a state of 3.6 million people (with no other FBS football programs). Top five men's and women's basketball programs. Top 30-ish baseball program. Name recognition. Near New York City. And a football program that seemingly is getting stabilized (and has shown the potential in the past to be respectable) by a solid coach.

How many posters would like to see such qualities in the schools for which they support?

Bruh, WE are "UC".

In the future please refer to the serf institution as "UConn" or "Jalepeno Bacon Mac & Cheese U".

My apologies to Bearcat Nation and to my brother (a proud UC grad).

University of California?

Well played, indeed.

(I'm not sure my brother had the grades to get accepted to Cal-Berkely, but he enjoyed a strong two years at the esteemed University of Cincinnati.)

(07-12-2023 08:51 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've posted many times previously: I feel UConn is far more attractive (in a general sense) that many posters on this board.

Yes, there are negatives (the Northeast is not a hotbed for college baseball and football, Husky football has been horrendous at times, UConn's budget problems, etc.)

But, UC is a fairly prestigious (top 100 by many metrics) academic institution that is the dominant university in a state of 3.6 million people (with no other FBS football programs). Top five men's and women's basketball programs. Top 30-ish baseball program. Name recognition. Near New York City. And a football program that seemingly is getting stabilized (and has shown the potential in the past to be respectable) by a solid coach.

How many posters would like to see such qualities in the schools for which they support?

UConn is a good school. Their issue is that they're very strong in the wrong sport, and also very weak in the wrong sport. 15k attendance in 2021, 24k in 2022...it's just not indicative of a fanbase that cares at all about football. If they are competitive between now and 2030, start filling up the seats, and there's some movement in the P5s...sure, they're a quality backfill candidate. But probably no better than Memphis or USF would be for the big 12, and perhaps worse than either of them.

(07-12-2023 05:36 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 08:51 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've posted many times previously: I feel UConn is far more attractive (in a general sense) that many posters on this board.

Yes, there are negatives (the Northeast is not a hotbed for college baseball and football, Husky football has been horrendous at times, UConn's budget problems, etc.)

But, UC is a fairly prestigious (top 100 by many metrics) academic institution that is the dominant university in a state of 3.6 million people (with no other FBS football programs). Top five men's and women's basketball programs. Top 30-ish baseball program. Name recognition. Near New York City. And a football program that seemingly is getting stabilized (and has shown the potential in the past to be respectable) by a solid coach.

How many posters would like to see such qualities in the schools for which they support?

UConn is a good school. Their issue is that they're very strong in the wrong sport, and also very weak in the wrong sport. 15k attendance in 2021, 24k in 2022...it's just not indicative of a fanbase that cares at all about football. If they are competitive between now and 2030, start filling up the seats, and there's some movement in the P5s...sure, they're a quality backfill candidate. But probably no better than Memphis or USF would be for the big 12, and perhaps worse than either of them.

As I've posted before, the Big 12 does not need every single member to be strong in football. UConn brings multiple positives to the table for the Big 12 (though I hope Memphis gets the call either instead of UConn or with it).

From Yormarks comments today it sounded much like to me that B12 has agreed to expansion scenarios and something will be going down one way or another. It’s just a matter of which scenario they go with.

In order of what B12 wants….

1) All 4 corners and done. Goes to 16

2). 2 of the 4 corners (likely Colorado and Arizona) and done. Goes to 14.

3) 2 of 4 corners (likely Colorado and Arizona) and UConn and Memphis. Goes to 16.

4) Only UConn and Memphis to go to 14

I only say Memphis with UConn (over another G5) because they are only other G5 where there has been some smoke.

But my guess is one of these scenarios is going down.

(07-12-2023 05:36 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 08:51 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've posted many times previously: I feel UConn is far more attractive (in a general sense) that many posters on this board.

Yes, there are negatives (the Northeast is not a hotbed for college baseball and football, Husky football has been horrendous at times, UConn's budget problems, etc.)

But, UC is a fairly prestigious (top 100 by many metrics) academic institution that is the dominant university in a state of 3.6 million people (with no other FBS football programs). Top five men's and women's basketball programs. Top 30-ish baseball program. Name recognition. Near New York City. And a football program that seemingly is getting stabilized (and has shown the potential in the past to be respectable) by a solid coach.

How many posters would like to see such qualities in the schools for which they support?

UConn is a good school. Their issue is that they're very strong in the wrong sport, and also very weak in the wrong sport. 15k attendance in 2021, 24k in 2022...it's just not indicative of a fanbase that cares at all about football. If they are competitive between now and 2030, start filling up the seats, and there's some movement in the P5s...sure, they're a quality backfill candidate. But probably no better than Memphis or USF would be for the big 12, and perhaps worse than either of them.

You can also look at it as the team was horrible for a decade and only pulled 15k in attendance per game in ‘21 as a result, then had a 60% increase in attendance to 24k as soon as the team showed it had any pulse. It’s all about how ya spin it

I was curious what our attendance was in 2010, the last time the program had any real momentum behind it. The total was 229,488 over 6 games for a 38,248 average. By comparison Baylor was at 240,259 over 6 games for a 40,043 average that same year. I know Baylor is a smaller private school, but it shows what the program is capable of when given a chance

Edit: forgot to post my source! http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2010.pdf

(07-07-2023 10:05 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  UConn & USF would IMO be the G5 pair to expand with if expansion is that serious to you.

Memphis just misses out because USF makes too much sense if you also have UCF.

I would imagine UCF fans would prefer it to be Memphis...USF has been a dumpster fire since jim leavitt was shown the door.

(07-12-2023 08:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 10:05 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  UConn & USF would IMO be the G5 pair to expand with if expansion is that serious to you.

Memphis just misses out because USF makes too much sense if you also have UCF.

I would imagine UCF fans would prefer it to be Memphis...USF has been a dumpster fire since jim leavitt was shown the door.

Memphis and USF work for me.

(07-12-2023 07:36 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 05:36 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 08:51 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've posted many times previously: I feel UConn is far more attractive (in a general sense) that many posters on this board.

Yes, there are negatives (the Northeast is not a hotbed for college baseball and football, Husky football has been horrendous at times, UConn's budget problems, etc.)

But, UC is a fairly prestigious (top 100 by many metrics) academic institution that is the dominant university in a state of 3.6 million people (with no other FBS football programs). Top five men's and women's basketball programs. Top 30-ish baseball program. Name recognition. Near New York City. And a football program that seemingly is getting stabilized (and has shown the potential in the past to be respectable) by a solid coach.

How many posters would like to see such qualities in the schools for which they support?

UConn is a good school. Their issue is that they're very strong in the wrong sport, and also very weak in the wrong sport. 15k attendance in 2021, 24k in 2022...it's just not indicative of a fanbase that cares at all about football. If they are competitive between now and 2030, start filling up the seats, and there's some movement in the P5s...sure, they're a quality backfill candidate. But probably no better than Memphis or USF would be for the big 12, and perhaps worse than either of them.

You can also look at it as the team was horrible for a decade and only pulled 15k in attendance per game in ‘21 as a result, then had a 60% increase in attendance to 24k as soon as the team showed it had any pulse. It’s all about how ya spin it

I was curious what our attendance was in 2010, the last time the program had any real momentum behind it. The total was 229,488 over 6 games for a 38,248 average. By comparison Baylor was at 240,259 over 6 games for a 40,043 average that same year. I know Baylor is a smaller private school, but it shows what the program is capable of when given a chance

Edit: forgot to post my source! http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2010.pdf

Hey now. Don’t let facts get in the way of the spin doctors!

(07-08-2023 02:20 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 12:41 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 09:21 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 01:48 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 10:44 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The one scenario people don’t seem to consider much is this: what if only one Pac school joins the B12?

For #14 spot, Yormark would push for UConn.

IMHO, it’s all or nothing on the Big 12 taking Pac-12 schools.

Either the Pac-12 TV deal is so bad that all Four Corners schools leave or it’s good enough that all of them stay. I don’t buy that just 1 or 2 Pac-12 schools would leave. There’s not a universe where the TV deal is good enough for Arizona but not good enough for Colorado. Heck, even if that were the case initially, the domino effect would be Colorado leaving would in turn make the TV deal even worse and then spur other schools to leave at that point, so it would be the same outcome.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true.

Moving from Pac 12 to Big 12 is such a downgrade in terms of academics, some (most?) 4C schools (and importantly their boards) would be very reluctant no matter how big the money difference would be.

Is it a worse downgrade than having to drop all sports because your money sports quit making money? Or, realistically they wouldn't drop sports b/c they're all Flagships, but they'd have to subsidize sports from their Academic endowments. How is that going to play in the halls of Power? How is irrelevance in football and basketball going to go over with prospective recruits and even general student population? You already hear the coaches are telling kids that they're going to the big 12. The pendulum has already swung in the Athletic Departments, except for Utah (for obvious reasons). If the $$ difference is just a couple million, then it probably doesn't do enough to swing enough boosters and Admins. But if it's $10m? $8m but the Pac is all streaming? $15m on a true apples to apples comparison? These schools won't be able to recruit P5-caliber athletes.

If the Pac’s media deal is that bad (say $15 million all streaming), then yeah all 4C schools would probably jump.

But the question here is whether only one Pac school joining the Pac is a possible scenario or it has to be all or nothing. I can totally see only one school joining the B12, given each school has different financial need and willingness to downgrade the academic side.

From Pat Forde of SI

Plan A might be plundering two to four teams from the Pac-12. Plan B might be a Colorado-UConn power play—but if Colorado is a non-starter, that probably ends the scenario.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/07/13/bi...-expansion

The B12 fans hate the idea of getting UConn. But Yormark may be able to get UConn as 14th member if only Colorado joins.

(07-12-2023 10:54 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 02:20 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 12:41 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 09:21 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 01:48 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  IMHO, it’s all or nothing on the Big 12 taking Pac-12 schools.

Either the Pac-12 TV deal is so bad that all Four Corners schools leave or it’s good enough that all of them stay. I don’t buy that just 1 or 2 Pac-12 schools would leave. There’s not a universe where the TV deal is good enough for Arizona but not good enough for Colorado. Heck, even if that were the case initially, the domino effect would be Colorado leaving would in turn make the TV deal even worse and then spur other schools to leave at that point, so it would be the same outcome.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true.

Moving from Pac 12 to Big 12 is such a downgrade in terms of academics, some (most?) 4C schools (and importantly their boards) would be very reluctant no matter how big the money difference would be.

Is it a worse downgrade than having to drop all sports because your money sports quit making money? Or, realistically they wouldn't drop sports b/c they're all Flagships, but they'd have to subsidize sports from their Academic endowments. How is that going to play in the halls of Power? How is irrelevance in football and basketball going to go over with prospective recruits and even general student population? You already hear the coaches are telling kids that they're going to the big 12. The pendulum has already swung in the Athletic Departments, except for Utah (for obvious reasons). If the $$ difference is just a couple million, then it probably doesn't do enough to swing enough boosters and Admins. But if it's $10m? $8m but the Pac is all streaming? $15m on a true apples to apples comparison? These schools won't be able to recruit P5-caliber athletes.

If the Pac’s media deal is that bad (say $15 million all streaming), then yeah all 4C schools would probably jump.

But the question here is whether only one Pac school joining the Pac is a possible scenario or it has to be all or nothing. I can totally see only one school joining the B12, given each school has different financial need and willingness to downgrade the academic side.

From Pat Forde of SI

Plan A might be plundering two to four teams from the Pac-12. Plan B might be a Colorado-UConn power play—but if Colorado is a non-starter, that probably ends the scenario.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/07/13/bi...-expansion

The B12 fans hate the idea of getting UConn. But Yormark may be able to get UConn as 14th member if only Colorado joins.

Another click bait article. Pat Forde following Dodd’s playbook. Not once did Yormack mention Colorado or Uconn as potential adds to the conference.

(07-12-2023 11:50 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-12-2023 11:29 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Let this sink in: I bought almost 100 seats on the first level, tower side on the 40 yard yard line last year when Cuse visited UConn last year.

I can think of 100 better things to waste your money on

I only bought 1 seat...I sold all the rest to Cuse fans. UConn has a great tailgating set up because the stadium was built on an empty brownfield.