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RE: How to finance ND’s move from the ACC to the B10
(07-06-2023 04:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
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(07-06-2023 03:26 PM)cubucks Wrote:  It's a good deal because Notre Dame playing multiple BIG teams was once a thing, and it mattered! Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue and Northwestern are hopefully NOT so arrogant that they forgot it meant something. Sure Notre Dame can be arrogant and complicated, but aren't we all, especially you Wolverines up there! 05-stirthepot

I think a rotation of Michigan, USC, Purdue, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa and UCLA is or would be attractive to the Fighting Irish.

So the rest of the B1G never gets to play the Irish?
The ACC's contract requires the Irish to play every ACC team.

Sounds like our are wanting the B1G to develop a two tiered existence.
That would be great for Conference unity, huh?

It could be a four game rotation among all 16 schools.

As you keep pointing out, USC is not even on ND's schedule after, what, 2026?

ND would like the USC game protected, but that would be up to the Big Ten.

That's not what was proposed.
Protecting the USC game gets a four year rotation out of whack.

Proposed by whom?

This entire discussion is a hypothetical.

No one has set anything in concrete here.

From the point of view of the Big Ten's media partners, it would be better not to have just a rotation where every Big Ten school plays the Irish as often as everyone else. Much better to have opponents with a higher profile. Something like USC and Michigan State every year and rotate the rest.
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(07-06-2023 04:53 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  4 games is q4 without a protected USC.

It only would move to q5 if USC were protected (USC+3/15) which isn’t much different.

I don't speak this language.

Can you translate it into English for me?
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RE: How to finance ND’s move from the ACC to the B10
(07-06-2023 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
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(07-06-2023 03:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-06-2023 03:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  After losing about $1 Billion of market value Disney may be looking to off load the ACCN and their contracts with the ACC and put all of their remaining eggs into the SEC basket if they could find a buyer for the ACC.
You wonder if CBS/NBC could be tempted? Also could ESPN be begging FOX to take their half of the Big 12 obligations?

Recent moves flops have put the Mouse in scramble mode.

Yeah boy, they are in pain. They made a 7-billion-dollar profit last year with ESPN accounting for a nice % of it, just 1.09 billion less than in 2021. Cry me a river! I only made 7 billion last year, a 3% increase overall, but one of my chief revenue producers was down 1 billion. Where's the window I have to toss myself out! Woe is me! It's so absurd!

People here act like ESPN is going broke and Disney with it. They aren't! Streaming is deflating many balance sheets. That's a look before you leap issue which is squarely on the Disney brass.

I guess the ESPN lay offs were unnecessary? Just for show?
I would be crying a river if I owned a Company that had lost 35% of it's market value over the last year and the stock had just been downgraded.

Do you remember the banking crisis of 2007-8? Well corporate global multinationals may soon say to you, "Hold my beer! You ain't seen nothing!" The global Boomer wind down is on, and China, all of Europe, Japan, and most of Asia will be impacted along with the U.S.. With the Boomers the largest amount of disposable income will disappear as well. The lexicon will become familiar with phrases like, "meager existence" once again.

It's a good thing the SEC has a new contract. I'd hate to be negotiating one right now. 2030 may well be too soon for another. By 2036 everyone in college sports, SEC included, will have a downward trajectory.

I'll simply settle for a gear up landing and take my chance with the fuselage. It beats auguring in!
As I write this in the shadow of the Mouse-- so you're saying that Apple will be able to get Disney on sale while throwing in lifetime independence for Notre Dame as a tip
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RE: How to finance ND’s move from the ACC to the B10
how to finance it? Notre Dame changes their minds and it would be financed.
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RE: How to finance ND’s move from the ACC to the B10
(07-07-2023 08:06 AM)Strut Wrote:  
(07-06-2023 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-06-2023 03:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-06-2023 03:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-06-2023 03:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  After losing about $1 Billion of market value Disney may be looking to off load the ACCN and their contracts with the ACC and put all of their remaining eggs into the SEC basket if they could find a buyer for the ACC.
You wonder if CBS/NBC could be tempted? Also could ESPN be begging FOX to take their half of the Big 12 obligations?

Recent moves flops have put the Mouse in scramble mode.

Yeah boy, they are in pain. They made a 7-billion-dollar profit last year with ESPN accounting for a nice % of it, just 1.09 billion less than in 2021. Cry me a river! I only made 7 billion last year, a 3% increase overall, but one of my chief revenue producers was down 1 billion. Where's the window I have to toss myself out! Woe is me! It's so absurd!

People here act like ESPN is going broke and Disney with it. They aren't! Streaming is deflating many balance sheets. That's a look before you leap issue which is squarely on the Disney brass.

I guess the ESPN lay offs were unnecessary? Just for show?
I would be crying a river if I owned a Company that had lost 35% of it's market value over the last year and the stock had just been downgraded.

Do you remember the banking crisis of 2007-8? Well corporate global multinationals may soon say to you, "Hold my beer! You ain't seen nothing!" The global Boomer wind down is on, and China, all of Europe, Japan, and most of Asia will be impacted along with the U.S.. With the Boomers the largest amount of disposable income will disappear as well. The lexicon will become familiar with phrases like, "meager existence" once again.

It's a good thing the SEC has a new contract. I'd hate to be negotiating one right now. 2030 may well be too soon for another. By 2036 everyone in college sports, SEC included, will have a downward trajectory.

I'll simply settle for a gear up landing and take my chance with the fuselage. It beats auguring in!
As I write this in the shadow of the Mouse-- so you're saying that Apple will be able to get Disney on sale while throwing in lifetime independence for Notre Dame as a tip

If Tim Cook is sentimental about his former alma maters maybe. I love sports, enjoyed playing them and enjoy watching them. Thats not my grandkids. I had the money to watch them. They don't. I had the time and social encouragement to play them. They don't. Not only are we about to experience a major demographic shift globally, but because of inflation, those succeeding my generation don't have the disposable income we had. What really made the Boom so successful was that the dearth of eligible males to marry following WWII and the immediacy those returning felt about getting a family started, created the best labor market possible, and coincided with the real launch of consumer credit. It had been around for decades, but home loans, car loans, and a mentality possessed by those who fought the war of just how brief and unpredictable life is, led to a confluence of cultural changes where waiting until you could afford things seemed pointless. Now the generation who fought the war grew up with the depression, many didn't trust banks, because their parents dang sure didn't, so those who fought the war put aside their parents hard learned lessons and jumped into life when they got back, and while the it took some time for the 50's to acclimate to their return the GI Bill filled the schools, labor helped relaunch industry, domestic goods and services flourished as people moved to the jobs, mostly in the Northern Midwest where industry was located for ease of transportation and for safety purposes during the two World Wars, and what you saw in the show Happy Days was born out of it.

Now the opposite conditions exist. We currently have labor, whether native or imported, but thanks to the GI Bill turning into the Pell Grant and then the blossoming of Student Loans we have inflation, not cheap durable goods, to manage that jobs were sent to cheap labor markets overseas, so industrial jobs are not plentiful leaving cubicle work for those likely working below their expectations, and the whole dang thing now that Boomers are retiring, and beginning a decade and a half die off, is that what is being left is too expensive for the younger, mostly corporately owned, and the debt is massive not only to support ageing boomers but because government has gotten too involved in tinkering with peoples lives and buying votes, and that's both sides of the aisle.

So instead of inheriting a world that needs a lot of labor they are inheriting a world that needs a lot of engineers to fix things. And craftsman to to fix and build basic things. What it doesn't need is a lot of college educated people who are not in medicine, not engineers, and have social science degrees.

It takes all those generations have to make ends meet, and sports is a luxury, debt a constant, and that mixture isn't conducive to continued gains in the sports entertainment market whose bubble is beginning to pop.

Chances are Apple could pick up some bargains, maybe even ESPN, but a cost benefit analysis would be interesting to read. My bet is that those in government will find that having a go to distraction like College and Professional Sports is a useful tool for an unhappy electorate. I bet the Sports industry winds up reduced, but subsidized for the same reasons the Romans held onto the Coliseum. An entertained public given the basic necessities doesn't revolt. But that doesn't mean it will be profitable. It means that something which was once beloved is kept up for the social value, and not the intrinsic one. And the gambling industry is significant.

They will pay fewer schools to play college football, pay them more, to keep the game alive, and provide an entry league to feed the NFL, and that will survive. It won't thrive for the economic reasons laid out. Think of it like the young folks do the Hunger Games series. And then watch the old Rollerball where corporations kept all of this up for the sake of advertising and control of the public. Then it will make sense to you. The ideas are old, reflective of a society in decline, and somewhat appropriate to the point.
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RE: How to finance ND’s move from the ACC to the B10
(07-06-2023 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's a good thing the SEC has a new contract. I'd hate to be negotiating one right now. 2030 may well be too soon for another. By 2036 everyone in college sports, SEC included, will have a downward trajectory.

I'll simply settle for a gear up landing and take my chance with the fuselage. It beats auguring in!

Both the SEC's and B1G's current contracts will provide all their members with more money than they really need to finance their athletic programs. They are past the point where more money gives them a greater competitive advantage in the revenue sports.

I sometimes wonder if they shouldn't look down the road and start saving for the rainy days that are coming. Distribute less now - just enough to keep their competitive advantage - and start investing the excess revenue to provide a softer landing when future media contracts are significantly reduced. Consider the savings the conference's endowment.
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(07-07-2023 09:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(07-06-2023 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's a good thing the SEC has a new contract. I'd hate to be negotiating one right now. 2030 may well be too soon for another. By 2036 everyone in college sports, SEC included, will have a downward trajectory.

I'll simply settle for a gear up landing and take my chance with the fuselage. It beats auguring in!

Both the SEC's and B1G's current contracts will provide all their members with more money than they really need to finance their athletic programs. They are past the point where more money gives them a greater competitive advantage in the revenue sports.

I sometimes wonder if they shouldn't look down the road and start saving for the rainy days that are coming. Distribute less now - just enough to keep their competitive advantage - and start investing the excess revenue to provide a softer landing when future media contracts are significantly reduced. Consider the savings the conference's endowment.

It would smart for all conferences to do that Ken D, but you know how education works. They will not be that forward thinking.
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(07-07-2023 09:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-07-2023 09:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(07-06-2023 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's a good thing the SEC has a new contract. I'd hate to be negotiating one right now. 2030 may well be too soon for another. By 2036 everyone in college sports, SEC included, will have a downward trajectory.

I'll simply settle for a gear up landing and take my chance with the fuselage. It beats auguring in!

Both the SEC's and B1G's current contracts will provide all their members with more money than they really need to finance their athletic programs. They are past the point where more money gives them a greater competitive advantage in the revenue sports.

I sometimes wonder if they shouldn't look down the road and start saving for the rainy days that are coming. Distribute less now - just enough to keep their competitive advantage - and start investing the excess revenue to provide a softer landing when future media contracts are significantly reduced. Consider the savings the conference's endowment.

It would smart for all conferences to do that Ken D, but you know how education works. They will not be that forward thinking.

Sadly, yes. For the SEC and B1G, reducing their school payouts by $15 million a year now would also make it easier to bring in additional teams that are strategically more valuable than their current market value.
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(07-06-2023 10:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-06-2023 04:53 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  4 games is q4 without a protected USC.

It only would move to q5 if USC were protected (USC+3/15) which isn’t much different.

I don't speak this language.

Can you translate it into English for me?

q: each, every (from Latin quaque)

Like your prescription could say qAM meaning every morning.
q4: once every 4 (years).
q5: once every 5 (years).

I married a pharmacist. All our household schedules are written in Latin.
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(07-07-2023 10:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(07-07-2023 09:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-07-2023 09:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(07-06-2023 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's a good thing the SEC has a new contract. I'd hate to be negotiating one right now. 2030 may well be too soon for another. By 2036 everyone in college sports, SEC included, will have a downward trajectory.

I'll simply settle for a gear up landing and take my chance with the fuselage. It beats auguring in!

Both the SEC's and B1G's current contracts will provide all their members with more money than they really need to finance their athletic programs. They are past the point where more money gives them a greater competitive advantage in the revenue sports.

I sometimes wonder if they shouldn't look down the road and start saving for the rainy days that are coming. Distribute less now - just enough to keep their competitive advantage - and start investing the excess revenue to provide a softer landing when future media contracts are significantly reduced. Consider the savings the conference's endowment.

It would smart for all conferences to do that Ken D, but you know how education works. They will not be that forward thinking.

Sadly, yes. For the SEC and B1G, reducing their school payouts by $15 million a year now would also make it easier to bring in additional teams that are strategically more valuable than their current market value.

Now that's an angle which adding 18 million a year for the new playoff revenue will have an application, if handled correctly.

Greed is the only thing that will drive networks and conferences to 24, if we go there. I'm not so sure that the downturn headed our way after 2030 doesn't arrive early as equities are beginning to show stress globally. And it makes sense. Boomers everywhere are liquidating for retirement in sufficient enough numbers to place a downward stress upon the markets. That is not even close to a crescendo yet. Most corporate plans are 5 year and 10 year variety. Their event horizon is beginning to pick up the trends in real time. Things could accelerate outpacing the impact of the expanded CFP. There are no sure bets now. Strategic consolidation would absolutely be advantageous and I might add regional and cultural consolidation as well. The problem is that it takes a much broader vision than that of a college president, or AD, or even a Network CEO or conference commissioner to see the strength in such a panoramic view of society and education's place in it.
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From Jack Swarbrick today:


“Our independence has never been more valuable than it is right now,” Swarbrick said. “Nothing has occurred in the past year that has caused me to reevaluate. It’s been just the opposite.”

“Every one of those stories is about us,” Swarbrick said. “What’s Notre Dame going to do? It’s reinforcing our positioning. The entire year, the dynamic of all that stuff, has served to reinforce where we are and the value of what we’re doing.”


https://www.on3.com/teams/notre-dame-fig...swarbrick/
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[u]
(07-06-2023 06:20 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Lock in OSU, USC and MSU and rotate the rest. Sounds awesome.

USC annual
Mich St/Purdue every other year
rotate the rest of the conference with the remaining 2 spots

and with the ACC

FL State annual
Miami annual
Pitt annual
rotate the rest of the conference with the remaining 2 spots
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(07-07-2023 08:49 PM)Arch Stanton Wrote:  [u]
(07-06-2023 06:20 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Lock in OSU, USC and MSU and rotate the rest. Sounds awesome.
and with the ACC

FL State annual
Miami annual
Pitt annual
rotate the rest of the conference with the remaining 2 spots

Good luck with that.
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(07-07-2023 06:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  From Jack Swarbrick today:


“Our independence has never been more valuable than it is right now,” Swarbrick said. “Nothing has occurred in the past year that has caused me to reevaluate. It’s been just the opposite.”

“Every one of those stories is about us,” Swarbrick said. “What’s Notre Dame going to do? It’s reinforcing our positioning. The entire year, the dynamic of all that stuff, has served to reinforce where we are and the value of what we’re doing.”


https://www.on3.com/teams/notre-dame-fig...swarbrick/

The article is behind a paywall.

Did he say anything about the media deal negotiation?
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(07-05-2023 06:57 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  If NBC doesn't pay for ND (55-65M) per year, ESPN will, thus allowing ND to stay independent and with the ACC and almost all ND football games on ABC/ESPN.

I agree. It’s in the SEC’s interest to keep ND away from the B1G in my opinion. At least for now.
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(07-07-2023 06:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  From Jack Swarbrick today:


“Our independence has never been more valuable than it is right now,” Swarbrick said. “Nothing has occurred in the past year that has caused me to reevaluate. It’s been just the opposite.”

“Every one of those stories is about us,” Swarbrick said. “What’s Notre Dame going to do? It’s reinforcing our positioning. The entire year, the dynamic of all that stuff, has served to reinforce where we are and the value of what we’re doing.”


https://www.on3.com/teams/notre-dame-fig...swarbrick/

The only ones surprised by this live in places like East Lansing, West Lafayette, Columbus and Minneapolis.
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(07-05-2023 05:08 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  ....
In other words, ND’s move would cost at least $330 million. Then the question is how to pay for it?

ND won’t pay for it.
The B10 won’t pay for it.
So it got to be somebody else.
....

[Image: C0035_00_13_24_24_Still021-600x338-2.jpg]

They could hang a new name on the stadium.
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(07-07-2023 11:16 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(07-05-2023 05:08 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  ....
In other words, ND’s move would cost at least $330 million. Then the question is how to pay for it?

ND won’t pay for it.
The B10 won’t pay for it.
So it got to be somebody else.
....

[Image: C0035_00_13_24_24_Still021-600x338-2.jpg]

They could hang a new name on the stadium.


They already have a sponsorship deal with Guinness Beer:

[Image: https%3A%2F%2Ffoodsided.com%2Ffiles%2F20...0x560.jpeg]


https://foodsided.com/2020/10/30/joe-mon...rtnership/
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(07-07-2023 06:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  From Jack Swarbrick today:


“Our independence has never been more valuable than it is right now,” Swarbrick said. “Nothing has occurred in the past year that has caused me to reevaluate. It’s been just the opposite.”

“Every one of those stories is about us,” Swarbrick said. “What’s Notre Dame going to do? It’s reinforcing our positioning. The entire year, the dynamic of all that stuff, has served to reinforce where we are and the value of what we’re doing.”


https://www.on3.com/teams/notre-dame-fig...swarbrick/

The article is behind a paywall.

Did he say anything about the media deal negotiation?

Not by Swarbrick himself.

The article mentions that ND is going to sign a cash heavy apparel deal this month, then mentions that the TV deal will be signed after that.
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