(06-30-2023 10:28 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 09:26 AM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 05:38 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(06-29-2023 08:09 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  Maybe I'm just too old but what is the point of ChatGPT? Why would I be interested in having a conversation with artificial intelligence when having a conversations with actual intelligence is far more satisfying.

If you're in school, the point is to do your homework and write your papers for you.

If you're working, the point is to code things for you.

Or, at least those are the most discussed ways to use it.

Hence the problem with trying to have an intellectual conversation with anyone under 35. They grew up in a world with calculators and computers (including cell phones) and never actually learned anything. They don't know how to think for themselves. They problem solve by Googling it.

You better head to the nursing home if you want to talk to someone that didn't grow up with calculators. Sorry Wardawg but I find people willing to generalize a whole generation aren't going to provide much stimulating conversation, you want someone to talk at not to.

If AI can't already do your job, it will soon. Planning for such a future is going to be key.

Over the next 10 years I don't see AI replacing people. But people using AI will replace people not using it. I really like Microsoft using the term CoPilot for it, it's a apt name. We're absolutely in the hype cycle for generative ai right now but I'm already white boarding ideas for how we'll use it. We have designers using it to iterate through design concepts more quickly and easily. I'm trying to move all of our unstructure data into a better platform to cut openai lose on it. I want to have a bot our firm can chat with in Teams to find expertise based on work. Who's created x type of documents? Who's spent the most time in Y software? All that fun stuff.

(06-30-2023 11:11 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 10:28 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 09:26 AM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 05:38 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(06-29-2023 08:09 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  Maybe I'm just too old but what is the point of ChatGPT? Why would I be interested in having a conversation with artificial intelligence when having a conversations with actual intelligence is far more satisfying.

If you're in school, the point is to do your homework and write your papers for you.

If you're working, the point is to code things for you.

Or, at least those are the most discussed ways to use it.

Hence the problem with trying to have an intellectual conversation with anyone under 35. They grew up in a world with calculators and computers (including cell phones) and never actually learned anything. They don't know how to think for themselves. They problem solve by Googling it.

You better head to the nursing home if you want to talk to someone that didn't grow up with calculators. Sorry Wardawg but I find people willing to generalize a whole generation aren't going to provide much stimulating conversation, you want someone to talk at not to.

If AI can't already do your job, it will soon. Planning for such a future is going to be key.

Over the next 10 years I don't see AI replacing people. But people using AI will replace people not using it. I really like Microsoft using the term CoPilot for it, it's a apt name.

On the news they were saying over half of the top 500 companies in the U.S. had already replaced people's jobs with AI. Last month they estimated the losses at about 4,000 jobs to AI nation wide. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ai-job-loss...er-report/ I know at my old job they removed one secretary because AI had sped up the other 3 of them jobs so much they didn't need a 4th.

The good news though is in the mean time we get interesting mascot pictures or this post. I also ran the boxing match with all the Sun Belt mascots in the ring together and the results were pretty funny though I didn't post it.

(06-30-2023 11:19 AM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 11:11 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 10:28 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 09:26 AM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 05:38 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  If you're in school, the point is to do your homework and write your papers for you.

If you're working, the point is to code things for you.

Or, at least those are the most discussed ways to use it.

Hence the problem with trying to have an intellectual conversation with anyone under 35. They grew up in a world with calculators and computers (including cell phones) and never actually learned anything. They don't know how to think for themselves. They problem solve by Googling it.

You better head to the nursing home if you want to talk to someone that didn't grow up with calculators. Sorry Wardawg but I find people willing to generalize a whole generation aren't going to provide much stimulating conversation, you want someone to talk at not to.

If AI can't already do your job, it will soon. Planning for such a future is going to be key.

Over the next 10 years I don't see AI replacing people. But people using AI will replace people not using it. I really like Microsoft using the term CoPilot for it, it's a apt name.

On the news they were saying over half of the top 500 companies in the U.S. had already replaced people's jobs with AI. Last month they estimated the losses at about 4,000 jobs to AI nation wide. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ai-job-loss...er-report/ I know at my old job they removed one secretary because AI had sped up the other 3 of them jobs so much they didn't need a 4th.

The good news though is in the mean time we get interesting mascot pictures or this post. I also ran the boxing match with all the Sun Belt mascots in the ring together and the results were pretty funny though I didn't post it.

I guess that's me splitting hairs, but that's how I see it playing out with us. Instead of cutting people we just won't need to hire anymore of a certain role anymore. Example would be a specifications specialist or something. Reskill the existing people doing that to be "Specifications AI Prompt Analysts" or something and they will help train that model. Then you can scale indefinitely without having to had add more spec writers linearly like you would have traditionally needed.

Having ethical and moral leadership in place to reskill vs cut will, imo, set apart firms for the next generation. Younger people coming out of college don't settle for that draconian culture of years past. They want to be a part of something and have a clear vision. Sitting in a chair or doing x for 35 years and getting a pension is no longer the way.

Idiots who copy and paste AI for school assignments are not representative of how AI brings value to schooling or work. The smart ones will use AI to take their understanding to a level past the classroom.

By the way if anyone homeschools, ChatGPT is a phenomenal assistant teacher. It can craft lesson plans and assignments in accordance with curriculum objectives.

(06-30-2023 12:17 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  Idiots who copy and paste AI for school assignments are not representative of how AI brings value to schooling or work. The smart ones will use AI to take their understanding to a level past the classroom.

By the way if anyone homeschools, ChatGPT is a phenomenal assistant teacher. It can craft lesson plans and assignments in accordance with curriculum objectives.

hmmmmm ... yeah, if you say so ... I understand the dichotomy of the psychology within the 'programmer' ... I'd love to see how muh AI 'steers' varying curriculum ... I'm certain I already know that answer....

did you play with muh google 20 years ago vs. today .... I'll wait...

(06-30-2023 10:28 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 09:26 AM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 05:38 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(06-29-2023 08:09 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  Maybe I'm just too old but what is the point of ChatGPT? Why would I be interested in having a conversation with artificial intelligence when having a conversations with actual intelligence is far more satisfying.

If you're in school, the point is to do your homework and write your papers for you.

If you're working, the point is to code things for you.

Or, at least those are the most discussed ways to use it.

Hence the problem with trying to have an intellectual conversation with anyone under 35. They grew up in a world with calculators and computers (including cell phones) and never actually learned anything. They don't know how to think for themselves. They problem solve by Googling it.

You better head to the nursing home if you want to talk to someone that didn't grow up with calculators. Sorry Wardawg but I find people willing to generalize a whole generation aren't going to provide much stimulating conversation, you want someone to talk at not to.

If AI can't already do your job, it will soon. Planning for such a future is going to be key.

That is actually quite incorrect. I enjoy hearing different viewpoints and the reasoning for those viewpoints. What I don't enjoy is listening to people blather on about their viewpoints without the ability to provide any depth or understanding of why they might believe in said viewpoints. As a science teacher, I rather enjoy listening to the flat earthers that can coherently state their "evidence". Doesn't mean I would ever agree with them but I don't mind listening to them and discussing their theory. In contrast, there's the KKK. I'd say a good 98% or more of those people have zero understanding why they may believe the stupid crap they say. They are just regurgitating talking points someone else told them to say and they are not smart enough or willing enough to find out if any of that is even true. I have no interest in discussing anything with people like that.

(06-30-2023 12:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 12:17 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  Idiots who copy and paste AI for school assignments are not representative of how AI brings value to schooling or work. The smart ones will use AI to take their understanding to a level past the classroom.

By the way if anyone homeschools, ChatGPT is a phenomenal assistant teacher. It can craft lesson plans and assignments in accordance with curriculum objectives.

hmmmmm ... yeah, if you say so ... I understand the dichotomy of the psychology within the 'programmer' ... I'd love to see how muh AI 'steers' varying curriculum ... I'm certain I already know that answer....

did you play with muh google 20 years ago vs. today .... I'll wait...

I'm not sure where the hostility is coming from. For anyone interested, what I am talking about is that every state publishes it's education standards online in a format like this or this.

It can be very time consuming to craft a schedule that hits all the requirements. So instead of you personally having to do the grunt work of breaking them down into weekly and daily course schedules of curriculum, ChatGPT can do it instead.

It could do the same thing for the work breakdown structure of any project management application. It's not that it's doing rigorous thinking but it can make organizational planning a lot faster.

(06-30-2023 12:17 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  Idiots who copy and paste AI for school assignments are not representative of how AI brings value to schooling or work. The smart ones will use AI to take their understanding to a level past the classroom.

By the way if anyone homeschools, ChatGPT is a phenomenal assistant teacher. It can craft lesson plans and assignments in accordance with curriculum objectives.

They may not be representative of how AI can benefit but they are representative how how most will us AI. The "smart" ones, will study a textbook by candlelight if need be. Also understand that by "smart" I mean a kid that wants to learn, values education, and understands where it can take them. That's not necessarily the honor roll kid. Yes, some kids will take what they get from AI and take it to another level. That's not most kids. They will let AI do the work for them with zero understanding of the material. What they don't understand at that age is that it's not necessarily about the material but about the process. In terms of education, AI is a disaster waiting to happen.

(06-30-2023 01:41 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 12:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 12:17 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  Idiots who copy and paste AI for school assignments are not representative of how AI brings value to schooling or work. The smart ones will use AI to take their understanding to a level past the classroom.

By the way if anyone homeschools, ChatGPT is a phenomenal assistant teacher. It can craft lesson plans and assignments in accordance with curriculum objectives.

hmmmmm ... yeah, if you say so ... I understand the dichotomy of the psychology within the 'programmer' ... I'd love to see how muh AI 'steers' varying curriculum ... I'm certain I already know that answer....

did you play with muh google 20 years ago vs. today .... I'll wait...

I'm not sure where the hostility is coming from. For anyone interested, what I am talking about is that every state publishes it's education standards online in a format like this or this.

It can be very time consuming to craft a schedule that hits all the requirements. So instead of you personally having to do the grunt work of breaking them down into weekly and daily course schedules of curriculum, ChatGPT can do it instead.

It could do the same thing for the work breakdown structure of any project management application. It's not that it's doing rigorous thinking but it can make organizational planning a lot faster.

b/c I don't trust those that wrote the al-gore-rhythms ... however, carry on, chief....

#flewover

(06-30-2023 02:55 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 12:17 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  Idiots who copy and paste AI for school assignments are not representative of how AI brings value to schooling or work. The smart ones will use AI to take their understanding to a level past the classroom.

By the way if anyone homeschools, ChatGPT is a phenomenal assistant teacher. It can craft lesson plans and assignments in accordance with curriculum objectives.

They may not be representative of how AI can benefit but they are representative how how most will us AI. The "smart" ones, will study a textbook by candlelight if need be. Also understand that by "smart" I mean a kid that wants to learn, values education, and understands where it can take them. That's not necessarily the honor roll kid. Yes, some kids will take what they get from AI and take it to another level. That's not most kids. They will let AI do the work for them with zero understanding of the material. What they don't understand at that age is that it's not necessarily about the material but about the process. In terms of education, AI is a disaster waiting to happen.

CAD is a great tool for any engineer or lay draftsman .... AI is different ... it molds the dichotomy....

lay back and grab the poppy corn .... watch it play out in 'spades'....

(06-30-2023 04:56 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 02:55 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 12:17 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  Idiots who copy and paste AI for school assignments are not representative of how AI brings value to schooling or work. The smart ones will use AI to take their understanding to a level past the classroom.

By the way if anyone homeschools, ChatGPT is a phenomenal assistant teacher. It can craft lesson plans and assignments in accordance with curriculum objectives.

They may not be representative of how AI can benefit but they are representative how how most will us AI. The "smart" ones, will study a textbook by candlelight if need be. Also understand that by "smart" I mean a kid that wants to learn, values education, and understands where it can take them. That's not necessarily the honor roll kid. Yes, some kids will take what they get from AI and take it to another level. That's not most kids. They will let AI do the work for them with zero understanding of the material. What they don't understand at that age is that it's not necessarily about the material but about the process. In terms of education, AI is a disaster waiting to happen.

CAD is a great tool for any engineer or lay draftsman .... AI is different ... it molds the dichotomy....

lay back and grab the poppy corn .... watch it play out in 'spades'....

We are talking about two different things. You are talking about people that already have expertise in a certain field using AI to enhance their work. I've got zero problem with that. I'm talking AI's use in learning with grade schoolers.

(06-30-2023 05:43 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 04:56 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 02:55 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 12:17 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  Idiots who copy and paste AI for school assignments are not representative of how AI brings value to schooling or work. The smart ones will use AI to take their understanding to a level past the classroom.

By the way if anyone homeschools, ChatGPT is a phenomenal assistant teacher. It can craft lesson plans and assignments in accordance with curriculum objectives.

They may not be representative of how AI can benefit but they are representative how how most will us AI. The "smart" ones, will study a textbook by candlelight if need be. Also understand that by "smart" I mean a kid that wants to learn, values education, and understands where it can take them. That's not necessarily the honor roll kid. Yes, some kids will take what they get from AI and take it to another level. That's not most kids. They will let AI do the work for them with zero understanding of the material. What they don't understand at that age is that it's not necessarily about the material but about the process. In terms of education, AI is a disaster waiting to happen.

CAD is a great tool for any engineer or lay draftsman .... AI is different ... it molds the dichotomy....

lay back and grab the poppy corn .... watch it play out in 'spades'....

We are talking about two different things. You are talking about people that already have expertise in a certain field using AI to enhance their work. I've got zero problem with that. I'm talking AI's use in learning with grade schoolers.

what I'm saying is AI will eliminate that skill set moving forward ... keep your eyes closed ... it'll all be just fine ...

(07-01-2023 08:11 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 05:43 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 04:56 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 02:55 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 12:17 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  Idiots who copy and paste AI for school assignments are not representative of how AI brings value to schooling or work. The smart ones will use AI to take their understanding to a level past the classroom.

By the way if anyone homeschools, ChatGPT is a phenomenal assistant teacher. It can craft lesson plans and assignments in accordance with curriculum objectives.

They may not be representative of how AI can benefit but they are representative how how most will us AI. The "smart" ones, will study a textbook by candlelight if need be. Also understand that by "smart" I mean a kid that wants to learn, values education, and understands where it can take them. That's not necessarily the honor roll kid. Yes, some kids will take what they get from AI and take it to another level. That's not most kids. They will let AI do the work for them with zero understanding of the material. What they don't understand at that age is that it's not necessarily about the material but about the process. In terms of education, AI is a disaster waiting to happen.

CAD is a great tool for any engineer or lay draftsman .... AI is different ... it molds the dichotomy....

lay back and grab the poppy corn .... watch it play out in 'spades'....

We are talking about two different things. You are talking about people that already have expertise in a certain field using AI to enhance their work. I've got zero problem with that. I'm talking AI's use in learning with grade schoolers.

what I'm saying is AI will eliminate that skill set moving forward ... keep your eyes closed ... it'll all be just fine ...

Eyes are wide open. The more we lean on technology the more we need critical thinking skills. There is no way to develop those necessary skills if grade school students are using AI to do their assignments.

(07-01-2023 08:29 AM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(07-01-2023 08:11 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 05:43 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 04:56 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 02:55 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  They may not be representative of how AI can benefit but they are representative how how most will us AI. The "smart" ones, will study a textbook by candlelight if need be. Also understand that by "smart" I mean a kid that wants to learn, values education, and understands where it can take them. That's not necessarily the honor roll kid. Yes, some kids will take what they get from AI and take it to another level. That's not most kids. They will let AI do the work for them with zero understanding of the material. What they don't understand at that age is that it's not necessarily about the material but about the process. In terms of education, AI is a disaster waiting to happen.

CAD is a great tool for any engineer or lay draftsman .... AI is different ... it molds the dichotomy....

lay back and grab the poppy corn .... watch it play out in 'spades'....

We are talking about two different things. You are talking about people that already have expertise in a certain field using AI to enhance their work. I've got zero problem with that. I'm talking AI's use in learning with grade schoolers.

what I'm saying is AI will eliminate that skill set moving forward ... keep your eyes closed ... it'll all be just fine ...

Eyes are wide open. The more we lean on technology the more we need critical thinking skills. There is no way to develop those necessary skills if grade school students are using AI to do their assignments.

okay ... we agree ... what am I missing or not understanding ... that's XACLY! muh point!

let's go back to CAD ... if you know how CAD can communicate with other systems, ASCII/autoLISP/VBA were powerful tools to streamline design (back in my day) --->>> production ... that life was 20+ years ago for me and my programmer ... our team had all had experience and training to utilize the tech within the business model ... we turned a 35M service center into a 55M profit center in <5 years through automation AND w/o adding any additional labor ... however, after that, it became, now what?

it's hardly a stretch that AI could've accomplished the same at less cost with a shorter turnaround...

that's just one simple and personal example how AI will change process moving forward ... in many situations (where databases can be manipulated to value) won't matter what an individual's knowledgebase consists of...

to wit, AI will certainly dumb down the youth further due to ease of function by bypassing the nuts and bolts which lends to developing the critical thinking skill set ... it's akin to if Lewis and Clark only leaned on Sacajawea for survival ... w/o the combination of skill sets, it's easily plausible the mission would've failed....

#lawOfDiminishing #food4thought #jmtc

Interesting. On the other hand, my work experience is that the people most resistant to technology tend to type with their index fingers and need to ask for help printing.

(07-01-2023 04:14 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  Interesting. On the other hand, my work experience is that the people most resistant to technology tend to type with their index fingers and need to ask for help printing.

I thought it was 'all thumbs' ... however, that's easily believable today ... hence, the point en macro...



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