Side.Show.Joe
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RE: FBS Total Conference Distributions for fiscal year ending June 2021 (2020-21 Season)
(06-21-2023 07:48 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote: (06-20-2023 06:24 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: (06-20-2023 03:48 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote: (06-20-2023 03:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: (06-20-2023 10:08 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote: Personally as a hillbilly, I do. My university was founded when the state gave a few thousand dollars to a couple of fellow hillbillies and told them to go to the "lost province" of North Carolina and educate its ignorant hicks. Every program and $ its gotten has come from the tireless advocation of our community.
Similarly, our football program was started before there was even a paved road into the mountain. Our program is funded by teachers, nurses, accountants etc, not oil barons or fortune 50 ceos.
I take severe umbrage when somebody thats from a university thats 75% school welfare, has never sold out a 30k stadium and never even been ranked in the AP poll looks down their nose at the sunbelt, when their only real advantage is the amount of people that live in close proximity to their campus that obviously could care less about them. Edit to add: Its even more insulting when the fan of the school looking down their nose at the Sunbelt is LITERALLY one of the reasons the sun belt had such a terrible reputation to begin with.
The first two paragraphs are irrelevant. I guess you felt the need to give some background to your school and their hardships. But again, that information is irrelevant to me.
The last paragraph, I take issue with. It's flawed. First, you are mistaking my indifference for dislike. I have no dislike for App State or the Sun Belt. I honestly don't care one way or the other about about App State. We have never shared and conference, and probably never will. We are very different institutions with very different goals. And for your information UNT has been ranked before, and we won the first 4 Sun Belt titles, 20 years ago (2001, 2002, 2003, & 2004). Those titles are ancient history and have nothing to do with what we are doing now, or where we are planning to go in the future. Second, I don't look down my nose at the Sun Belt. As I stated in a previous post, "the Belt gave us a home when we needed one". But, UNT left the Sun Belt over a decade ago. We just don't care about what the Sun Belt is doing anymore. UNT has moved on. The Belt hasn't been our home for a very long time. You guys need to let it go and move on too. I guess if you need us to be the Sun Belt's boogie man, that's fine. I really don't care.
Joe- you had an all time ~.333 record in the sunbelt. Even in your championship years you couldn't beat a wet paper bag OOC (which contributes to you know, a bad perception). You've never been ranked in the AP poll, or if you have i couldn't find anything in a quick google search so maybe it was before computers existed.
I too have no problem with UNT, i've never personally met anyone that has gone there or is a fan. I try to spend as much time as possible not being in Texas as it is. You spend a lot of time downtalking the Sunbelt, which you are supposedly indifferent too.
The truth is UNT didn't do anything in the sunbelt, didn't do anything in CUSA, and i'm not sure why you're expecting UNT to do anything in the AAC. You simply have a lot of people that live close to your campus and a school thats willing to provide ample amounts of welfare to continue to put out inferior products.
UNT won 4 of the 12 SBC titles while a member of the conference. There's a .333 record for you. You have a bad opinion of UNT, but with the people that matter, UNT has a very good reputation. Including your commissioner, who called UNT during the last round of realignment to see if we would return. That's one of the reasons why UNT keeps getting invited to better conferences. And, UNT has been ranked in the AP's Top 20 on two different occasions. You can look up the information. It's out there.
When I speak about the Belt, it is almost always a result of some random Belt fan venturing onto our board and thumping their chest. I will continue to call out random propaganda when Belt fans show up and spew it on our board. I also comment on data, like I did in this case. The data presented seemed odd, and I made a comment about that. You could have simply informed me of the variations in how each conference collects, distributes, and reports their finances, but you chose to be condescending.
Since you openly admit that you don't spend time in Texas, you obviously have no actual knowledge of UNT. That's fine. But despite your opinion of our "reputation", we will continue to build and grow UNT.
Here is UNTs record the last 8 years in Sun Belt play:
Overall Conference SRS Polls
Rk Year Conf W L T Pct W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Coach(es) Bowl Notes
11 2012 Sun Belt 4 8 0 .333 3 5 0 .375 -8.41 -1.24 Dan McCarney (4-8)
12 2011 Sun Belt 5 7 0 .417 4 4 0 .500 -9.94 -3.86 Dan McCarney (5-7)
13 2010 Sun Belt 3 9 0 .250 3 5 0 .375 -14.18 -7.34 Todd Dodge (1-6), Mike Canales (2-3)
14 2009 Sun Belt 2 10 0 .167 1 7 0 .125 -14.38 -5.97 Todd Dodge (2-10)
15 2008 Sun Belt 1 11 0 .083 0 7 0 .000 -22.21 -3.54 Todd Dodge (1-11)
16 2007 Sun Belt 2 10 0 .167 1 6 0 .143 -15.84 -3.67 Todd Dodge (2-10)
17 2006 Sun Belt 3 9 0 .250 2 5 0 .286 -16.06 -6.15 Darrell Dickey (3-9)
18 2005 Sun Belt 2 9 0 .182 2 5 0 .286 -18.23 -7.60 Darrell Dickey (2-9)
Under 3 wins a season for 8 years. UNT is not the "bogeyman" of the Sun Belt. We were all thrilled UNT was picked for the AAC, it made achieving the sun belts goals that much easier.
I'm glad that you are as happy about UNT being a plan C option for the Sun Belt as you are about being a plan C option for the American.
Lastly, for what its worth, I'm sorry your feelings are hurt. Next time you encounter data you don't know how to interpret, you can always ask before you make assumptions.
You're still on this topic. I had no idea you were so butt-hurt over this topic. You've got to get over your UNT obsession. It's just not healthy.
Sure, we had some down season. Every program has them. But, UNT still holds more SB titles than ULL, ULM, USA, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal, & Texas State.
I am very much enjoying the current direction of UNT's athletic department. We have an incredible schedule this season in the AAC (home games against...Temple, Memphis, UTSA, & UAB). Plus, we start the season by hosting Cal. I'm very happy with how far UNT has come. Our pro-growth approach is paying off.
(This post was last modified: 06-21-2023 09:35 PM by Side.Show.Joe.)
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