(06-20-2023 11:48 AM)shere khan Wrote:  So youve tried and convicted him. Yeah. Doesnt work that way. Yet.



Ok sport.

He essentially admitted to having it last night. The only question is whether he actually declassified it or not, and whether he could have declassified the nuclear stuff (which seems to be up for debate as well).

I'd love to see his evidence of declassifying it. But I know, you believe in the whole "he thought it in his head so it was done". There is still lots of processes that kick off when a President declassifies a document.

(06-20-2023 11:45 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Brett is a big Trump guy? Bwahahaha. No he isnt.

You must watch a different program than me. Up until recently he still was pushing the whole stolen election story.

Quote:Good god man if you cant see the diff in the way they treat Trump and Biden. Ridiculous.

Its ok to break the law if you give accessto your jackboots

Stop. Just stop.

No credibility at this point.

The doj has been weaponized against trump from day 1

He broke the law, plain and simple. Whether DoJ was weaponized really doesn't matter at this point. DON'T TAKE US GOVERNMENT CLASSIFIED INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF A SCIF! What is so hard to understand about that? If he did, he needs to be held accountable.

That being said, he's part of the elite class and we know he'll never be held responsible. He has never been held accountable for the first almost 80 years of his life.

The sad thing is that many Americans buy into the bolded and enlarged sentence. "What difference, at this point, does it make?" Thanks Hillary.

I'm not at all a fan of shere kahn's go-to "prog filth" refrain, but this is one time where it may be appropriate.

Donald Trump does not belong in office - - for nearly countless reasons. But he also is an American citizen, and does not deserve to be politically targeted by a Biden Justice Department that has run amok.

(06-20-2023 11:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Anyone that thinks trump has been treated the same as biden* and hilary is either deluded or dishonest.

There is no other option.

Anyone that thinks Trump responded the same as Pence or Biden is either deluded or dishonest.

There is no other option.

(06-20-2023 11:45 AM)mlb Wrote:  He broke the law, plain and simple. Whether DoJ was weaponized really doesn't matter at this point. DON'T TAKE US GOVERNMENT CLASSIFIED INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF A SCIF! What is so hard to understand about that? If he did, he needs to be held accountable.

That being said, he's part of the elite class and we know he'll never be held responsible. He has never been held accountable for the first almost 80 years of his life.

Again, not all classified information has to be viewed in a SCIF. Usually only Top Secret (TS) and above.

trump reportedly has NDI information which needs to kept in a SCIF.

We still don't know what Biden had. If he had NDI or TS stuff in his garage, he needs to be held accountable for that. But his situation might also differ greatly from trump. We don't know if Biden intentionally took stuff and kept it...if someone took it at his direction...or if someone just put it there not knowing what they were doing, etc. There normally has to be an intent component for criminality.

Regardless, the case still differs from what we know at this point because Biden consented to searches and reportedly returned everything as soon as it was found.

trump is being treated differently because he did different things!

(06-20-2023 11:52 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The sad thing is that many Americans buy into the bolded and enlarges sentence. What difference, at this point, does it make?

I'm not at all a fan of shere kahn's go-to "prog filth" refrain, but this is one time where it may be appropriate.

Donald Trump does not belong in office - - for nearly countless reasons. But he also is an American citizen, and does not deserve to be politically targeted by a Biden Justice Department that has run amok.

Fully agree. But that doesn't change the fact that he was caught red handed. Obstruction at minimum, but obviously a lot more serious charges are there.

I'm disgusted by all of this. He should have just given the damn documents back and I don't think he'd have any issues in this case. Why did he keep them when told to send them back? Why did he not respond for months? Why did he have his lawyers state that everything had been returned? Why did he show people the documents who had no business knowing or seeing them?

(06-20-2023 11:52 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  ...a Biden Justice Department that has run amok.

So, doing everything by the book is running amok. Sure.

(06-20-2023 11:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Again, not all classified information has to be viewed in a SCIF. Usually only Top Secret (TS) and above.

I'm well aware of the laws.

(06-20-2023 11:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:48 AM)shere khan Wrote:  So youve tried and convicted him. Yeah. Doesnt work that way. Yet.



Ok sport.

He essentially admitted to having it last night. The only question is whether he actually declassified it or not, and whether he could have declassified the nuclear stuff (which seems to be up for debate as well).

I'd love to see his evidence of declassifying it. But I know, you believe in the whole "he thought it in his head so it was done". There is still lots of processes that kick off when a President declassifies a document.

He actually admitted to the obstruction last night as well.

Baier: You intentionally withheld from the subpoena, and lied to the Federal officers and said you didnt have any documents.

Trump: The boxes held shirts and pants, so I didnt turn them over.

Holy **** -- Doesnt matter that Trump doesnt have to testify and can take the 5th at trial, they have this on tape. Simply play that for the jury.

That interview last night is a defense attorney's nightmare scenario. For the reasons you put forth above mlb, and the above. And three or four more.

(06-20-2023 11:55 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:52 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The sad thing is that many Americans buy into the bolded and enlarges sentence. What difference, at this point, does it make?

I'm not at all a fan of shere kahn's go-to "prog filth" refrain, but this is one time where it may be appropriate.

Donald Trump does not belong in office - - for nearly countless reasons. But he also is an American citizen, and does not deserve to be politically targeted by a Biden Justice Department that has run amok.

Fully agree. But that doesn't change the fact that he was caught red handed. Obstruction at minimum, but obviously a lot more serious charges are there.

I'm disgusted by all of this. He should have just given the damn documents back and I don't think he'd have any issues in this case. Why did he keep them when told to send them back? Why did he not respond for months? Why did he have his lawyers state that everything had been returned? Why did he show people the documents who had no business knowing or seeing them?

Because he's a narcissist who's been elevated to cult leader status with millions of followers who think he's some Messianic figure who can basically do no wrong.

(06-20-2023 11:58 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Again, not all classified information has to be viewed in a SCIF. Usually only Top Secret (TS) and above.

I'm well aware of the laws.

I figured, but you said he should not have taken classified information out of a SCIF. Not all has to be in one.

Also, for this indictment, the classification of these documents is really moot. It deals with lying, obstruction, and possession.

(06-20-2023 11:59 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:48 AM)shere khan Wrote:  So youve tried and convicted him. Yeah. Doesnt work that way. Yet.



Ok sport.

He essentially admitted to having it last night. The only question is whether he actually declassified it or not, and whether he could have declassified the nuclear stuff (which seems to be up for debate as well).

I'd love to see his evidence of declassifying it. But I know, you believe in the whole "he thought it in his head so it was done". There is still lots of processes that kick off when a President declassifies a document.

He actually admitted to the obstruction last night as well.

Baier: You intentionally withheld from the subpoena, and lied to the Federal officers and said you didnt have any documents.

Trump: The boxes held shirts and pants, so I didnt turn them over.

Holy **** -- Doesnt matter that Trump doesnt have to testify and can take the 5th at trial, they have this on tape. Simply play that for the jury.

That interview last night is a defense attorney's nightmare scenario. For the reasons you put forth above mlb, and the above. And three or four more.

And there's a Part II which airs tonight!

(06-20-2023 11:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  The only question is whether he actually declassified it or not, and whether he could have declassified the nuclear stuff (which seems to be up for debate as well).

He cant declassify the 'concerning US nuclear weapons stuff' (Document in count 19)

That is controlled by the Atomic Energy Act, and the only people that can declassify the document in question by statute is a joint decision by the AEC and the DoD.

https://sgp.fas.org/othergov/doe/rdfrdht...formation.

(06-20-2023 12:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  The only question is whether he actually declassified it or not, and whether he could have declassified the nuclear stuff (which seems to be up for debate as well).

He cant declassify the 'concerning US nuclear weapons stuff' (Document in count 19)

That is controlled by the Atomic Energy Act, and the only people that can declassify the document in question by statute is a joint decision by the AEC and the DoD.

https://sgp.fas.org/othergov/doe/rdfrdht...formation.

Yeah, but he argued last night that all of it falls under the Presidential Records Act. I've seen a handful of people claim that the Atomic Energy Act would be overruled, I'm not a legal or constitutional scholar so I don't know how that would go down in a court challenge.

(06-20-2023 12:07 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 12:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  The only question is whether he actually declassified it or not, and whether he could have declassified the nuclear stuff (which seems to be up for debate as well).

He cant declassify the 'concerning US nuclear weapons stuff' (Document in count 19)

That is controlled by the Atomic Energy Act, and the only people that can declassify the document in question by statute is a joint decision by the AEC and the DoD.

https://sgp.fas.org/othergov/doe/rdfrdht...formation.

Yeah, but he argued last night that all of it falls under the Presidential Records Act. I've seen a handful of people claim that the Atomic Energy Act would be overruled, I'm not a legal or constitutional scholar so I don't know how that would go down in a court challenge.

Can't see how any of this actually applies to the PRA. The PRA is for stuff HE creates. He did not create these classified documents, other government agencies did. They belong to the government.

(06-20-2023 11:55 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:52 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The sad thing is that many Americans buy into the bolded and enlarges sentence. What difference, at this point, does it make?

I'm not at all a fan of shere kahn's go-to "prog filth" refrain, but this is one time where it may be appropriate.

Donald Trump does not belong in office - - for nearly countless reasons. But he also is an American citizen, and does not deserve to be politically targeted by a Biden Justice Department that has run amok.

Fully agree. But that doesn't change the fact that he was caught red handed. Obstruction at minimum, but obviously a lot more serious charges are there.

I'm disgusted by all of this. He should have just given the damn documents back and I don't think he'd have any issues in this case. Why did he keep them when told to send them back? Why did he not respond for months? Why did he have his lawyers state that everything had been returned? Why did he show people the documents who had no business knowing or seeing them?

I don't believe the bolded sentence for one second. It is appalling that Donald Trump is as stupid as he is, and made this a virtual tap-in for the Garland hit squad. But they were going to find something on him regardless.

Donald Trump is a disgusting person. The Biden Justice Department is a menace to our nation.

(06-20-2023 12:11 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

mlb Wrote:Fully agree. But that doesn't change the fact that he was caught red handed. Obstruction at minimum, but obviously a lot more serious charges are there.

I'm disgusted by all of this. He should have just given the damn documents back and I don't think he'd have any issues in this case. Why did he keep them when told to send them back? Why did he not respond for months? Why did he have his lawyers state that everything had been returned? Why did he show people the documents who had no business knowing or seeing them?

I don't believe the bolded sentence for one second. It is appalling that Donald Trump is as stupid as he is, and made this a virtual tap-in for the Garland hit squad. But they were going to find something on him regardless.

Donald Trump is a disgusting person. The Biden Justice Department is a menace to our nation.

That's why I said "in this case". He'd be able to show they didn't charge Hillary and others for the same issue. The obstruction is the difference here since he did lie and move things.

(06-20-2023 12:11 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:55 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:52 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The sad thing is that many Americans buy into the bolded and enlarges sentence. What difference, at this point, does it make?

I'm not at all a fan of shere kahn's go-to "prog filth" refrain, but this is one time where it may be appropriate.

Donald Trump does not belong in office - - for nearly countless reasons. But he also is an American citizen, and does not deserve to be politically targeted by a Biden Justice Department that has run amok.

Fully agree. But that doesn't change the fact that he was caught red handed. Obstruction at minimum, but obviously a lot more serious charges are there.

I'm disgusted by all of this. He should have just given the damn documents back and I don't think he'd have any issues in this case. Why did he keep them when told to send them back? Why did he not respond for months? Why did he have his lawyers state that everything had been returned? Why did he show people the documents who had no business knowing or seeing them?

I don't believe the bolded sentence for one second. It is appalling that Donald Trump is as stupid as he is, and made this a virtual tap-in for the Garland hit squad. But they were going to find something on him regardless.

Donald Trump is a disgusting person. The Biden Justice Department is a menace to our nation.

Thats not s very nice thing to say. Know him well do you?

This thread has finally gotten to the real point

Orange man bad

Reeeeeeeee

Took a liitle bit but the truth came out

(06-20-2023 12:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 12:11 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:55 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:52 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The sad thing is that many Americans buy into the bolded and enlarges sentence. What difference, at this point, does it make?

I'm not at all a fan of shere kahn's go-to "prog filth" refrain, but this is one time where it may be appropriate.

Donald Trump does not belong in office - - for nearly countless reasons. But he also is an American citizen, and does not deserve to be politically targeted by a Biden Justice Department that has run amok.

Fully agree. But that doesn't change the fact that he was caught red handed. Obstruction at minimum, but obviously a lot more serious charges are there.

I'm disgusted by all of this. He should have just given the damn documents back and I don't think he'd have any issues in this case. Why did he keep them when told to send them back? Why did he not respond for months? Why did he have his lawyers state that everything had been returned? Why did he show people the documents who had no business knowing or seeing them?

I don't believe the bolded sentence for one second. It is appalling that Donald Trump is as stupid as he is, and made this a virtual tap-in for the Garland hit squad. But they were going to find something on him regardless.

Donald Trump is a disgusting person. The Biden Justice Department is a menace to our nation.

Thats not s very nice thing to say. Know him well do you?

Well enough to be passingly familiar with some of the contractors that he cheated via shell-company bankruptcy filings. Well enough to understand what he did in cheating common folk with the snake-oil scam of Trump University. Well enough to know that he hires complete skunks (Michael Cohen being just one example) and then tries to pretend that he is above it all.

Yeah, I'd say I know him well enough.

(06-20-2023 12:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  This thread has finally gotten to the real point

Orange man bad

Reeeeeeeee

Took a liitle bit but the truth came out

It's been about that since the day he got elected.