(06-06-2023 12:04 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:48 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:47 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:23 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  But my read was:

If Colorado and Arizona are coming or likely coming, Yormark would have sounded more upbeat. Yormack would not have said he loves the current composition and he has a “plan.”

If only Colorado is coming, the B12 would look for a football partner such as UNLV or Memphis.

If neither Colorado nor Arizona is coming, then the B12 would look at the option that was put on the back burner: the basketball oriented expansion.

Just my read.

There already a plan in place that Boise State and Memphis would be added for all sports before BY opened his big mouth that got his foot stuck in it. He made the leaders of all the schools look bad when they said a lot of good things about Boise State and Memphis. There were promises made to those two schools, and the two schools are doing what is needed to be done to get the next invites into the Big 12.

The bolded is complete BS made up by you. Provide links to source when making wild claims like this.

I think the two schools being led on by the Big XII were Memphis and USF. Both have committed hundreds of millions to stadium and facilities upgrades. IMO, "sticking to the plan" would be bringing in those two schools.

USF had no plans for their stadium which is why they were not in the plans to be added.

That's changed now.

(06-05-2023 10:55 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 10:35 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 10:26 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 09:56 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Sorry, but I don't think you add Gonzaga or UConn if you think you can get PAC schools. JMOOC.

Yup.

I said this before but the fact that Yormark discussing UConn and Gonzaga signals he is not expecting the Pac schools are coming.

This isn’t true. He wants both PAC all-sports additions and top basketball only. Whether he gets that, we’ll see.

He wants Uconn as an all sports addition. Not just bball only

Well, I think Yormark actually would prefer to add UConn basketball, not add UConn football, and is pretty apathetic about adding UConn's Olympic sports. The problem is that he knows he has to add UConn football in order to get UConn basketball.

(06-06-2023 07:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Most of the resistance seems to center around UConn Football. It would have been a lot more palatable with UConn Non-Football invite.

And why do you think UConn would accept a non-football invite?

The Big East is where UConn's tradition lies. And even though the Big East isn't great geographically at this point (stretching all the way to Nebraska), it's better geographically than the Big 12, especially if the Big 12 adds the Four Corners and/or Gonzaga.

I do think that Yormark would have had a better chance at convincing the presidents to add Gonzaga if he hadn't come up with the idea of pairing them with UConn. That was Yormark's real error. Of course, if Gonzaga is demanding a half share despite basketball only being about 20% of the contract value, it might not have worked anyway.

I never liked the Gonzaga plan - only would have worked if B12 added Wash and Oregon

(06-06-2023 11:56 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  Isn’t Boise State’s stadium smaller than Duke’s? What’s your take on that?

I know there is not truth to this, but if the B12 were interested I hope they force Boise to get rid of that ugly blue turf. I hate watching their home games because of it.

Yeah, I think that the blue turf (along with the various other problems that have already been discussed on this board ad nauseum) is a highly underrated part of why Boise State isn't high in realignment.

I believe there is literally some NCAA rule that bans anybody except for Boise State from having anything except for green turf. Well, technically speaking, the rule bans any new team from using non-green turf, but Boise State is the one and only team that's grandfathered in.

Edit: Coastal Carolina apparently now has real turf, but I could have sworn that there used to literally be an NCAA rule that every FBS football team except for Boise State was required to use green turf. I guess that rule must have been repealed.

At this point, Gonzaga is still a bit of a novelty. It's a tiny school, tiny alumni base, in a not-super-easy to get to location, with all its success riding on one coach (who is nearing retirement).

Gonzaga bball is basically what Boise fball would be if Peterson had stayed and if the 12 team CFP was in place since 2000.

Adding Gonzaga makes 0 sense on a timeline beyond the next 5 years. And you'd have them forever, despite being a school that looks absolutely nothing like the existing Big XII schools.

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy?ref_s..._&ref_url=

(06-06-2023 03:05 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy?ref_s..._&ref_url=

(06-06-2023 03:05 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy?ref_s..._&ref_url=

I think we all pretty much expected the Big 12 basketball coaches to favor adding UConn. But basketball has absolutely nothing to do with the objections to adding UConn. It's the other sport, which accounts for about 80% of the TV contract.

(06-06-2023 03:07 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 03:05 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy?ref_s..._&ref_url=

Thank you for that. I'm relatively novice here and couldn't figure it out.

(06-06-2023 03:08 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 03:05 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy?ref_s..._&ref_url=

I think we all pretty much expected the Big 12 basketball coaches to favor adding UConn. But basketball has absolutely nothing to do with the objections to adding UConn. It's the other sport, which accounts for about 80% of the TV contract.

If ESPN and FOX will collectively pay an additional $31.7M to add UConn, I say it's a no-brainer to add them, even if UConn football becomes the Big 12 cellar.

(06-06-2023 03:09 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  Thank you for that. I'm relatively novice here and couldn't figure it out.

You're welcome. I've had enough of the same fights with Twitter links on these boards to understand what you were dealing with. lol

(06-06-2023 02:56 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:38 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Most of the resistance seems to center around UConn Football. It would have been a lot more palatable with UConn Non-Football invite.

And why do you think UConn would accept a non-football invite?

The Big East is where UConn's tradition lies. And even though the Big East isn't great geographically at this point (stretching all the way to Nebraska), it's better geographically than the Big 12, especially if the Big 12 adds the Four Corners and/or Gonzaga.

I do think that Yormark would have had a better chance at convincing the presidents to add Gonzaga if he hadn't come up with the idea of pairing them with UConn. That was Yormark's real error. Of course, if Gonzaga is demanding a half share despite basketball only being about 20% of the contract value, it might not have worked anyway.

Gonzaga's academics are worst than Boise State. You all keep crapping on Boise State's academics, but loves Gonzaga which is really worst with hardly no research.

(06-06-2023 02:59 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:56 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  Isn’t Boise State’s stadium smaller than Duke’s? What’s your take on that?

I know there is not truth to this, but if the B12 were interested I hope they force Boise to get rid of that ugly blue turf. I hate watching their home games because of it.

Yeah, I think that the blue turf (along with the various other problems that have already been discussed on this board ad nauseum) is a highly underrated part of why Boise State isn't high in realignment.

I believe there is literally some NCAA rule that bans anybody except for Boise State from having anything except for green turf. Well, technically speaking, the rule bans any new team from using non-green turf, but Boise State is the one and only team that's grandfathered in.

Edit: Coastal Carolina apparently now has real turf, but I could have sworn that there used to literally be an NCAA rule that every FBS football team except for Boise State was required to use green turf. I guess that rule must have been repealed.

UCF and Bowie State have different colors, and so does Eastern Washington's red turf.

Who’d be the 14th member of CU doesn’t come? I think they do though… this is a reach from BY though. Wonder if Zaga would still be in play.

The problem is that Gonzaga basketball is new money and has zero championships. UConn basketball is also new money, but has five championships. But, of course, UConn is very problematic in football.

If there was a basketball program that had five national championships since 1999 and also didn't have a terrible football program to saddle the Big 12 with, there probably would be almost no resistance to adding them.

(06-06-2023 03:31 PM)Poster Wrote:  The problem is that Gonzaga basketball is new money and has zero championships. UConn basketball is also new money, but has five championships. But, of course, UConn is very problematic in football.

If there was a basketball program that had five national championships since 1999 and also didn't have a terrible football program to saddle the Big 12 with, there probably would be almost no resistance to adding them.

Would it be correct to say all of UConn's basketball championships came as members of the Big East?

(06-06-2023 03:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 02:59 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:56 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  Isn’t Boise State’s stadium smaller than Duke’s? What’s your take on that?

I know there is not truth to this, but if the B12 were interested I hope they force Boise to get rid of that ugly blue turf. I hate watching their home games because of it.

Yeah, I think that the blue turf (along with the various other problems that have already been discussed on this board ad nauseum) is a highly underrated part of why Boise State isn't high in realignment.

I believe there is literally some NCAA rule that bans anybody except for Boise State from having anything except for green turf. Well, technically speaking, the rule bans any new team from using non-green turf, but Boise State is the one and only team that's grandfathered in.

Edit: Coastal Carolina apparently now has real turf, but I could have sworn that there used to literally be an NCAA rule that every FBS football team except for Boise State was required to use green turf. I guess that rule must have been repealed.

UCF and Bowie State have different colors, and so does Eastern Washington's red turf.

UCF has green turf. I think the field turf color rule only applied to FBS.

I just can’t imagine TCU or OkieSt would be thrilled at the prospects of playing in Storrs. It’s a free win no doubt.

The only way this is a win IMO is if BY can broker Pitt and UL/Cuse’ into the Big 12 faster as per of a lateral move with better BBall prospects and slightly better pay. Lock down the NE, perhaps bringing in BE teams as hybrids.

(06-06-2023 03:31 PM)Poster Wrote:  The problem is that Gonzaga basketball is new money and has zero championships. UConn basketball is also new money, but has five championships. But, of course, UConn is very problematic in football.

If there was a basketball program that had five national championships since 1999 and also didn't have a terrible football program to saddle the Big 12 with, there probably would be almost no resistance to adding them.

I think UConn football could get back to being solid like it was in the BCS version of the Big East. Losing power conference affiliation and regional rivals is what really hurt the program. I have little doubt that if the old Big East stayed together, UConn football would not have reached the lows it reached over the past decade. I certainly could be wrong. I didn't think the program would collapse the way it did in the AAC either.