(06-06-2023 04:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If I was UConn fan, I'd be opposed to joining the nB12.

You're not joining the conference of TX and OU, so that prestige is gone. And does anyone in Connecticut going to be excited about playing TCU, Texas Tech, Iowa State, UCF, BYU etc. in any sports? Kansas in hoops is the only attraction, and heck you can play them OOC in the Big East.

I know, you can say there are $31m reasons to do it, but this is IMO a rare case where the money isn't worth it.

If the nBig 12 is offering full membership, including for your flailing football program, at or near full money distribution, you have to go if you’re UConn. You have to go.

If the nBig 12 is offering full membership and you say no to stay in the Big East, then just drop football.

(06-06-2023 05:19 PM)BruinNation Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 04:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If I was UConn fan, I'd be opposed to joining the nB12.

You're not joining the conference of TX and OU, so that prestige is gone. And does anyone in Connecticut going to be excited about playing TCU, Texas Tech, Iowa State, UCF, BYU etc. in any sports? Kansas in hoops is the only attraction, and heck you can play them OOC in the Big East.

I know, you can say there are $31m reasons to do it, but this is IMO a rare case where the money isn't worth it.

If the nBig 12 is offering full membership, including for your flailing football program, at or near full money distribution, you have to go if you’re UConn. You have to go.

If the nBig 12 is offering full membership and you say no to stay in the Big East, then just drop football.

This, exactly.


UConn wouldn’t have a choice but to accept a Big 12 invite if it comes. The question is if a Big 12 invite will come.

(06-06-2023 03:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:38 PM)maybeimhere Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Oregon State 26,407


New Northwestern plan football stadium would be 35,000.

Oregon State is rebuilding an entire grandstand. They'll be around 35-39k when finished but there will be new suites, just like at Northwestern, for additional revenue.

Boise State's plans is for 45,000 soon. They expanded the stadium to 30,000 in 1999, and slowly in small amounts adding more seats three more times until 2012. It is due time for more expanding the seats. Boise State's record attendance was last year at 37,663 and that was against Fresno State at home.

2021 37,426 UNR
2019 36,902 Hawaii
2012 36,864 BYU
2015 36,836 Washington
2014 36,752 BYU
2021 36,702 Oklahoma State
2018 36,679 San Diego State
2016 36,602 Utah State
2019 36,498 Air Force
2022 36,396 Tenn.-Martin


Boise State at UCF drew over 45,000
At Florida State drew over 50,000
at BYU drew over 63,000
at BYU again drew 58,000
at Fresno State over 41,000
at Oklahoma State over 54,000
at BYU over 59,000
at San Diego State at 49,000
Vs Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl 36,432 which Boise won.
at Oregon State over 42,000
at BYU over 63,000
at Virginia over 42,000
At the Fiesta Bowl vs Arizona over 66,000
at Washington over 71,000
at Michigan State over 78,000
at Georgia and won with over 73,000
at Virginia Tech over 86,000
Vs Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl over 41,000
VS TCU in The Fiesta Bowl over 73,000
at Oregon where Boise won over 58.000
at Washington over 70,000
at Utah over 43,000
Vs Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl over 73,000

I am showing why Boise State is more valuable to a P5 conference than people think. They could get butts in the seats.

David you’ve been around here long enough to know that away game attendance is a meaningless statistic.

The only instance where an away game attendance statistic has any merit is if you are comparing it relative to their opponent’s season average—10% above the season average could mean that the visiting school is an attractive opponent—or maybe it’s just homecoming or cheap ticket day.

(06-06-2023 03:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:38 PM)maybeimhere Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Oregon State 26,407


New Northwestern plan football stadium would be 35,000.

Oregon State is rebuilding an entire grandstand. They'll be around 35-39k when finished but there will be new suites, just like at Northwestern, for additional revenue.

Boise State's plans is for 45,000 soon. They expanded the stadium to 30,000 in 1999, and slowly in small amounts adding more seats three more times until 2012. It is due time for more expanding the seats. Boise State's record attendance was last year at 37,663 and that was against Fresno State at home.

2021 37,426 UNR
2019 36,902 Hawaii
2012 36,864 BYU
2015 36,836 Washington
2014 36,752 BYU
2021 36,702 Oklahoma State
2018 36,679 San Diego State
2016 36,602 Utah State
2019 36,498 Air Force
2022 36,396 Tenn.-Martin


Boise State at UCF drew over 45,000
At Florida State drew over 50,000
at BYU drew over 63,000
at BYU again drew 58,000
at Fresno State over 41,000
at Oklahoma State over 54,000
at BYU over 59,000
at San Diego State at 49,000
Vs Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl 36,432 which Boise won.
at Oregon State over 42,000
at BYU over 63,000
at Virginia over 42,000
At the Fiesta Bowl vs Arizona over 66,000
at Washington over 71,000
at Michigan State over 78,000
at Georgia and won with over 73,000
at Virginia Tech over 86,000
Vs Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl over 41,000
VS TCU in The Fiesta Bowl over 73,000
at Oregon where Boise won over 58.000
at Washington over 70,000
at Utah over 43,000
Vs Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl over 73,000

I am showing why Boise State is more valuable to a P5 conference than people think. They could get butts in the seats.

Boise St doesnt get butts in the seats of any team that already couldnt get butts in the seat.

From their 2022 schedule:

@ OrSt 27,732
@ New Mexico 16,127
@ Utep 11,227
@ Nevada 14,960
@ Wyoming 17,345
vs N Texas in Bowl game 12,211


Just to compare, North Texas went to Utep and drew 45,971. That was WAY higher than Uteps average. Boise St at Utep was actually Uteps 3rd lowest home game last year.

And Boise St was Or St's 3rd lowest home game, as Boise St edged out FCS Montana and Colorado by a hair to prevent being the bottom.

And while Boise St was the top draw for New Mexico, they only had about 1500 more fans than the lowest attended New Mexico home game, and were in danger of being displaced at the top by Maine.

So no, Boise St does not put butts in the seat of away games. To the contrary, it appears their fanbase does not travel at all.

(06-06-2023 06:49 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 03:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:38 PM)maybeimhere Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Oregon State 26,407


New Northwestern plan football stadium would be 35,000.

Oregon State is rebuilding an entire grandstand. They'll be around 35-39k when finished but there will be new suites, just like at Northwestern, for additional revenue.

Boise State's plans is for 45,000 soon. They expanded the stadium to 30,000 in 1999, and slowly in small amounts adding more seats three more times until 2012. It is due time for more expanding the seats. Boise State's record attendance was last year at 37,663 and that was against Fresno State at home.

2021 37,426 UNR
2019 36,902 Hawaii
2012 36,864 BYU
2015 36,836 Washington
2014 36,752 BYU
2021 36,702 Oklahoma State
2018 36,679 San Diego State
2016 36,602 Utah State
2019 36,498 Air Force
2022 36,396 Tenn.-Martin


Boise State at UCF drew over 45,000
At Florida State drew over 50,000
at BYU drew over 63,000
at BYU again drew 58,000
at Fresno State over 41,000
at Oklahoma State over 54,000
at BYU over 59,000
at San Diego State at 49,000
Vs Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl 36,432 which Boise won.
at Oregon State over 42,000
at BYU over 63,000
at Virginia over 42,000
At the Fiesta Bowl vs Arizona over 66,000
at Washington over 71,000
at Michigan State over 78,000
at Georgia and won with over 73,000
at Virginia Tech over 86,000
Vs Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl over 41,000
VS TCU in The Fiesta Bowl over 73,000
at Oregon where Boise won over 58.000
at Washington over 70,000
at Utah over 43,000
Vs Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl over 73,000

I am showing why Boise State is more valuable to a P5 conference than people think. They could get butts in the seats.

Boise St doesnt get butts in the seats of any team that already couldnt get butts in the seat.

From their 2022 schedule:

@ OrSt 27,732
@ New Mexico 16,127
@ Utep 11,227
@ Nevada 14,960
@ Wyoming 17,345
vs N Texas in Bowl game 12,211


Just to compare, North Texas went to Utep and drew 45,971. That was WAY higher than Uteps average. Boise St at Utep was actually Uteps 3rd lowest home game last year.

And Boise St was Or St's 3rd lowest home game, as Boise St edged out FCS Montana and Colorado by a hair to prevent being the bottom.

And while Boise St was the top draw for New Mexico, they only had about 1500 more fans than the lowest attended New Mexico home game, and were in danger of being displaced at the top by Maine.

So no, Boise St does not put butts in the seat of away games. To the contrary, it appears their fanbase does not travel at all.

Those are the schools that Boise State needs to leave behind and be in a P5 conference.

(06-06-2023 07:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 06:49 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 03:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:38 PM)maybeimhere Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Oregon State 26,407


New Northwestern plan football stadium would be 35,000.

Oregon State is rebuilding an entire grandstand. They'll be around 35-39k when finished but there will be new suites, just like at Northwestern, for additional revenue.

Boise State's plans is for 45,000 soon. They expanded the stadium to 30,000 in 1999, and slowly in small amounts adding more seats three more times until 2012. It is due time for more expanding the seats. Boise State's record attendance was last year at 37,663 and that was against Fresno State at home.

2021 37,426 UNR
2019 36,902 Hawaii
2012 36,864 BYU
2015 36,836 Washington
2014 36,752 BYU
2021 36,702 Oklahoma State
2018 36,679 San Diego State
2016 36,602 Utah State
2019 36,498 Air Force
2022 36,396 Tenn.-Martin


Boise State at UCF drew over 45,000
At Florida State drew over 50,000
at BYU drew over 63,000
at BYU again drew 58,000
at Fresno State over 41,000
at Oklahoma State over 54,000
at BYU over 59,000
at San Diego State at 49,000
Vs Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl 36,432 which Boise won.
at Oregon State over 42,000
at BYU over 63,000
at Virginia over 42,000
At the Fiesta Bowl vs Arizona over 66,000
at Washington over 71,000
at Michigan State over 78,000
at Georgia and won with over 73,000
at Virginia Tech over 86,000
Vs Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl over 41,000
VS TCU in The Fiesta Bowl over 73,000
at Oregon where Boise won over 58.000
at Washington over 70,000
at Utah over 43,000
Vs Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl over 73,000

I am showing why Boise State is more valuable to a P5 conference than people think. They could get butts in the seats.

Boise St doesnt get butts in the seats of any team that already couldnt get butts in the seat.

From their 2022 schedule:

@ OrSt 27,732
@ New Mexico 16,127
@ Utep 11,227
@ Nevada 14,960
@ Wyoming 17,345
vs N Texas in Bowl game 12,211


Just to compare, North Texas went to Utep and drew 45,971. That was WAY higher than Uteps average. Boise St at Utep was actually Uteps 3rd lowest home game last year.

And Boise St was Or St's 3rd lowest home game, as Boise St edged out FCS Montana and Colorado by a hair to prevent being the bottom.

And while Boise St was the top draw for New Mexico, they only had about 1500 more fans than the lowest attended New Mexico home game, and were in danger of being displaced at the top by Maine.

So no, Boise St does not put butts in the seat of away games. To the contrary, it appears their fanbase does not travel at all.

Those are the schools that Boise State needs to leave behind and be in a P5 conference.

Well, I wont argue that. The issue is that they arent proving they are worth much. They apparently dont travel well. They are in a timezone with few eyeballs. Their tv numbers this past season were horrid. And their bowl game was a ratings disaster.

Plus Boise St has pissed off 3 teams in the B12 in the past. If they had kept their commitment to joining the BE/AAC back a decade ago, they could very well already be in a better conference. Instead, they are about to watch SDSU pass them by.

Mack Rhoades gets asked about Tramel's article at 3:25. Says there weren't any definitive decisions on including or excluding any particular school. They had a robust discussion about a lot of different schools and didn't feel like they made any decisions on excluding anyone. And that what Tramel was told was a bit of a misrepresentation.

(06-06-2023 06:49 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 03:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:38 PM)maybeimhere Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Oregon State 26,407


New Northwestern plan football stadium would be 35,000.

Oregon State is rebuilding an entire grandstand. They'll be around 35-39k when finished but there will be new suites, just like at Northwestern, for additional revenue.

Boise State's plans is for 45,000 soon. They expanded the stadium to 30,000 in 1999, and slowly in small amounts adding more seats three more times until 2012. It is due time for more expanding the seats. Boise State's record attendance was last year at 37,663 and that was against Fresno State at home.

2021 37,426 UNR
2019 36,902 Hawaii
2012 36,864 BYU
2015 36,836 Washington
2014 36,752 BYU
2021 36,702 Oklahoma State
2018 36,679 San Diego State
2016 36,602 Utah State
2019 36,498 Air Force
2022 36,396 Tenn.-Martin


Boise State at UCF drew over 45,000
At Florida State drew over 50,000
at BYU drew over 63,000
at BYU again drew 58,000
at Fresno State over 41,000
at Oklahoma State over 54,000
at BYU over 59,000
at San Diego State at 49,000
Vs Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl 36,432 which Boise won.
at Oregon State over 42,000
at BYU over 63,000
at Virginia over 42,000
At the Fiesta Bowl vs Arizona over 66,000
at Washington over 71,000
at Michigan State over 78,000
at Georgia and won with over 73,000
at Virginia Tech over 86,000
Vs Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl over 41,000
VS TCU in The Fiesta Bowl over 73,000
at Oregon where Boise won over 58.000
at Washington over 70,000
at Utah over 43,000
Vs Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl over 73,000

I am showing why Boise State is more valuable to a P5 conference than people think. They could get butts in the seats.

Boise St doesnt get butts in the seats of any team that already couldnt get butts in the seat.

From their 2022 schedule:

@ OrSt 27,732
@ New Mexico 16,127
@ Utep 11,227
@ Nevada 14,960
@ Wyoming 17,345
vs N Texas in Bowl game 12,211


Just to compare, North Texas went to Utep and drew 45,971. That was WAY higher than Uteps average. Boise St at Utep was actually Uteps 3rd lowest home game last year.

And Boise St was Or St's 3rd lowest home game, as Boise St edged out FCS Montana and Colorado by a hair to prevent being the bottom.

And while Boise St was the top draw for New Mexico, they only had about 1500 more fans than the lowest attended New Mexico home game, and were in danger of being displaced at the top by Maine.

So no, Boise St does not put butts in the seat of away games. To the contrary, it appears their fanbase does not travel at all.

That UNT @ UTEP game was the season opener and marketed heavily by UTEP. There were expectations in El Paso. UTEP laid an egg, laid another at UNM while committing 7 turnovers and the fans abandoned ship and missed the upset win vs Boise St. UTEP has had good crowds when having good seasons.

(06-06-2023 07:45 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 06:49 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 03:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:38 PM)maybeimhere Wrote:  Oregon State is rebuilding an entire grandstand. They'll be around 35-39k when finished but there will be new suites, just like at Northwestern, for additional revenue.

Boise State's plans is for 45,000 soon. They expanded the stadium to 30,000 in 1999, and slowly in small amounts adding more seats three more times until 2012. It is due time for more expanding the seats. Boise State's record attendance was last year at 37,663 and that was against Fresno State at home.

2021 37,426 UNR
2019 36,902 Hawaii
2012 36,864 BYU
2015 36,836 Washington
2014 36,752 BYU
2021 36,702 Oklahoma State
2018 36,679 San Diego State
2016 36,602 Utah State
2019 36,498 Air Force
2022 36,396 Tenn.-Martin


Boise State at UCF drew over 45,000
At Florida State drew over 50,000
at BYU drew over 63,000
at BYU again drew 58,000
at Fresno State over 41,000
at Oklahoma State over 54,000
at BYU over 59,000
at San Diego State at 49,000
Vs Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl 36,432 which Boise won.
at Oregon State over 42,000
at BYU over 63,000
at Virginia over 42,000
At the Fiesta Bowl vs Arizona over 66,000
at Washington over 71,000
at Michigan State over 78,000
at Georgia and won with over 73,000
at Virginia Tech over 86,000
Vs Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl over 41,000
VS TCU in The Fiesta Bowl over 73,000
at Oregon where Boise won over 58.000
at Washington over 70,000
at Utah over 43,000
Vs Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl over 73,000

I am showing why Boise State is more valuable to a P5 conference than people think. They could get butts in the seats.

Boise St doesnt get butts in the seats of any team that already couldnt get butts in the seat.

From their 2022 schedule:

@ OrSt 27,732
@ New Mexico 16,127
@ Utep 11,227
@ Nevada 14,960
@ Wyoming 17,345
vs N Texas in Bowl game 12,211


Just to compare, North Texas went to Utep and drew 45,971. That was WAY higher than Uteps average. Boise St at Utep was actually Uteps 3rd lowest home game last year.

And Boise St was Or St's 3rd lowest home game, as Boise St edged out FCS Montana and Colorado by a hair to prevent being the bottom.

And while Boise St was the top draw for New Mexico, they only had about 1500 more fans than the lowest attended New Mexico home game, and were in danger of being displaced at the top by Maine.

So no, Boise St does not put butts in the seat of away games. To the contrary, it appears their fanbase does not travel at all.

Those are the schools that Boise State needs to leave behind and be in a P5 conference.

Well, I wont argue that. The issue is that they arent proving they are worth much. They apparently dont travel well. They are in a timezone with few eyeballs. Their tv numbers this past season were horrid. And their bowl game was a ratings disaster.

Plus Boise St has pissed off 3 teams in the B12 in the past. If they had kept their commitment to joining the BE/AAC back a decade ago, they could very well already be in a better conference. Instead, they are about to watch SDSU pass them by.

I counted the 4 highest rated games, and came up with an average of 1.49 Million. The one game that was down was the BYU game for some dumb reason Fox Sports punished BYU for joining the Big 12, and put their game on FS2 which was the worst place to place a very high rated game at with a lot less households. In the process, Fox punished Boise State at the same time.

(06-06-2023 07:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Mack Rhoades gets asked about Tramel's article at 3:25. Says there weren't any definitive decisions on including or excluding any particular school. They had a robust discussion about a lot of different schools and didn't feel like they made any decisions on excluding anyone. And that what Tramel was told was a bit of a misrepresentation.

Mack Rhoades keeps saying praises for Boise State. Boise State's new AD is Jeramiah Dickey who worked under Rhoades at Baylor.

(06-06-2023 08:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Mack Rhoades gets asked about Tramel's article at 3:25. Says there weren't any definitive decisions on including or excluding any particular school. They had a robust discussion about a lot of different schools and didn't feel like they made any decisions on excluding anyone. And that what Tramel was told was a bit of a misrepresentation.

Mack Rhoades keeps saying praises for Boise State. Boise State's new AD is Jeramiah Dickey who worked under Rhoades at Baylor.

Dickey was deputy AD at Houston. Rhoades was AD at Houston. Two guaranteed votes from Baylor and Houston, for Boise state to the big12.

(06-06-2023 08:25 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Mack Rhoades gets asked about Tramel's article at 3:25. Says there weren't any definitive decisions on including or excluding any particular school. They had a robust discussion about a lot of different schools and didn't feel like they made any decisions on excluding anyone. And that what Tramel was told was a bit of a misrepresentation.

Mack Rhoades keeps saying praises for Boise State. Boise State's new AD is Jeramiah Dickey who worked under Rhoades at Baylor.

Dickey was deputy AD at Houston. Rhoades was AD at Houston. Two guaranteed votes from Baylor and Houston, for Boise state to the big12.

WHY?? You vote for people who left your school? ADs don't vote anyway.

(06-06-2023 08:25 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Mack Rhoades gets asked about Tramel's article at 3:25. Says there weren't any definitive decisions on including or excluding any particular school. They had a robust discussion about a lot of different schools and didn't feel like they made any decisions on excluding anyone. And that what Tramel was told was a bit of a misrepresentation.

Mack Rhoades keeps saying praises for Boise State. Boise State's new AD is Jeramiah Dickey who worked under Rhoades at Baylor.

Dickey was deputy AD at Houston. Rhoades was AD at Houston. Two guaranteed votes from Baylor and Houston, for Boise state to the big12.

Dickey was an assistant AD at UTEP and Rhoades was the top associate AD at UTEP, sooo...... I got nothing.

(06-06-2023 05:19 PM)BruinNation Wrote:  If the nBig 12 is offering full membership, including for your flailing football program, at or near full money distribution, you have to go if you’re UConn. You have to go.

If the nBig 12 is offering full membership and you say no to stay in the Big East, then just drop football.

I think it would be impossible politically to turn down an offer from the Big 12 for full membership at full money, but athletically UConn should stick it out in the Big East until the ACC falls apart. UConn belongs with Syracuse and Boston College, and nobody on this board will be surprised if Syracuse and Boston College are looking for a change in 2030. Fast forward to that year, though, and UConn would be looking to pay another conference exit fee to get out of the Big 12 -- they just gave the AAC $17 million and they would be looking at giving the Big East something like $20 million.

Just ride it out in the Big East and kick ass on the hardwood.

(06-07-2023 08:22 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 05:19 PM)BruinNation Wrote:  If the nBig 12 is offering full membership, including for your flailing football program, at or near full money distribution, you have to go if you’re UConn. You have to go.

If the nBig 12 is offering full membership and you say no to stay in the Big East, then just drop football.

I think it would be impossible politically to turn down an offer from the Big 12 for full membership at full money, but athletically UConn should stick it out in the Big East until the ACC falls apart. UConn belongs with Syracuse and Boston College, and nobody on this board will be surprised if Syracuse and Boston College are looking for a change in 2030. Fast forward to that year, though, and UConn would be looking to pay another conference exit fee to get out of the Big 12 -- they just gave the AAC $17 million and they would be looking at giving the Big East something like $20 million.

Just ride it out in the Big East and kick ass on the hardwood.

You don't forgo an incremental $40m/year because you are worried about a potential exit fee. Any future exit fee assessment stands on its own and has to make sense under the circumstances.

No ill will towards Cuse or BC, but we are not tied together and we will not forego our chance to move up because we might be able to play together in the future. No. Way.

(06-07-2023 08:31 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(06-07-2023 08:22 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 05:19 PM)BruinNation Wrote:  If the nBig 12 is offering full membership, including for your flailing football program, at or near full money distribution, you have to go if you’re UConn. You have to go.

If the nBig 12 is offering full membership and you say no to stay in the Big East, then just drop football.

I think it would be impossible politically to turn down an offer from the Big 12 for full membership at full money, but athletically UConn should stick it out in the Big East until the ACC falls apart. UConn belongs with Syracuse and Boston College, and nobody on this board will be surprised if Syracuse and Boston College are looking for a change in 2030. Fast forward to that year, though, and UConn would be looking to pay another conference exit fee to get out of the Big 12 -- they just gave the AAC $17 million and they would be looking at giving the Big East something like $20 million.

Just ride it out in the Big East and kick ass on the hardwood.

You don't forgo an incremental $40m/year because you are worried about a potential exit fee. Any future exit fee assessment stands on its own and has to make sense under the circumstances.

No ill will towards Cuse or BC, but we are not tied together and we will not forego our chance to move up because we might be able to play together in the future. No. Way.

I agree fully.

There is also a scenario that would have the Big 12 in the future (and with UConn in tow) absorb multiple "leftover" ACC members (if the SEC and Big Ten add some ACC members), thus "reuniting" UConn with, say, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, VaTech and Louisville.

(06-06-2023 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:45 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 06:49 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 03:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State's plans is for 45,000 soon. They expanded the stadium to 30,000 in 1999, and slowly in small amounts adding more seats three more times until 2012. It is due time for more expanding the seats. Boise State's record attendance was last year at 37,663 and that was against Fresno State at home.

2021 37,426 UNR
2019 36,902 Hawaii
2012 36,864 BYU
2015 36,836 Washington
2014 36,752 BYU
2021 36,702 Oklahoma State
2018 36,679 San Diego State
2016 36,602 Utah State
2019 36,498 Air Force
2022 36,396 Tenn.-Martin


Boise State at UCF drew over 45,000
At Florida State drew over 50,000
at BYU drew over 63,000
at BYU again drew 58,000
at Fresno State over 41,000
at Oklahoma State over 54,000
at BYU over 59,000
at San Diego State at 49,000
Vs Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl 36,432 which Boise won.
at Oregon State over 42,000
at BYU over 63,000
at Virginia over 42,000
At the Fiesta Bowl vs Arizona over 66,000
at Washington over 71,000
at Michigan State over 78,000
at Georgia and won with over 73,000
at Virginia Tech over 86,000
Vs Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl over 41,000
VS TCU in The Fiesta Bowl over 73,000
at Oregon where Boise won over 58.000
at Washington over 70,000
at Utah over 43,000
Vs Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl over 73,000

I am showing why Boise State is more valuable to a P5 conference than people think. They could get butts in the seats.

Boise St doesnt get butts in the seats of any team that already couldnt get butts in the seat.

From their 2022 schedule:

@ OrSt 27,732
@ New Mexico 16,127
@ Utep 11,227
@ Nevada 14,960
@ Wyoming 17,345
vs N Texas in Bowl game 12,211


Just to compare, North Texas went to Utep and drew 45,971. That was WAY higher than Uteps average. Boise St at Utep was actually Uteps 3rd lowest home game last year.

And Boise St was Or St's 3rd lowest home game, as Boise St edged out FCS Montana and Colorado by a hair to prevent being the bottom.

And while Boise St was the top draw for New Mexico, they only had about 1500 more fans than the lowest attended New Mexico home game, and were in danger of being displaced at the top by Maine.

So no, Boise St does not put butts in the seat of away games. To the contrary, it appears their fanbase does not travel at all.

Those are the schools that Boise State needs to leave behind and be in a P5 conference.

Well, I wont argue that. The issue is that they arent proving they are worth much. They apparently dont travel well. They are in a timezone with few eyeballs. Their tv numbers this past season were horrid. And their bowl game was a ratings disaster.

Plus Boise St has pissed off 3 teams in the B12 in the past. If they had kept their commitment to joining the BE/AAC back a decade ago, they could very well already be in a better conference. Instead, they are about to watch SDSU pass them by.

I counted the 4 highest rated games, and came up with an average of 1.49 Million.

You dont determine a teams ratings draw by looking at the games where their opponents normally have a high ratings draw. You look at the games where they are playing opponents who are NOT a ratings draw and see if the ratings are significantly higher. Their games against BYU have a high ratings draw because of BYU, not Boise St. Which is why BYU is in the B12 and not Boise St.

(06-06-2023 09:27 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:25 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Mack Rhoades gets asked about Tramel's article at 3:25. Says there weren't any definitive decisions on including or excluding any particular school. They had a robust discussion about a lot of different schools and didn't feel like they made any decisions on excluding anyone. And that what Tramel was told was a bit of a misrepresentation.

Mack Rhoades keeps saying praises for Boise State. Boise State's new AD is Jeramiah Dickey who worked under Rhoades at Baylor.

Dickey was deputy AD at Houston. Rhoades was AD at Houston. Two guaranteed votes from Baylor and Houston, for Boise state to the big12.

WHY?? You vote for people who left your school? ADs don't vote anyway.

Because Mack said before he is still in constant contact with Dickey.
Plus, the president of Okie State was at the Okie State at Boise State's game, and saw how beautiful the campus was, the atmosphere and all that, and would give a vote in favor of Boise getting in.

(06-07-2023 09:02 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 09:27 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:25 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Mack Rhoades gets asked about Tramel's article at 3:25. Says there weren't any definitive decisions on including or excluding any particular school. They had a robust discussion about a lot of different schools and didn't feel like they made any decisions on excluding anyone. And that what Tramel was told was a bit of a misrepresentation.

Mack Rhoades keeps saying praises for Boise State. Boise State's new AD is Jeramiah Dickey who worked under Rhoades at Baylor.

Dickey was deputy AD at Houston. Rhoades was AD at Houston. Two guaranteed votes from Baylor and Houston, for Boise state to the big12.

WHY?? You vote for people who left your school? ADs don't vote anyway.

Because Mack said before he is still in constant contact with Dickey.
Plus, the president of Okie State was at the Okie State at Boise State's game, and saw how beautiful the campus was, the atmosphere and all that, and would give a vote in favor of Boise getting in.

JFC, the Okie Lite president was there because his team was playing.

(06-07-2023 08:31 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(06-07-2023 08:22 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 05:19 PM)BruinNation Wrote:  If the nBig 12 is offering full membership, including for your flailing football program, at or near full money distribution, you have to go if you’re UConn. You have to go.

If the nBig 12 is offering full membership and you say no to stay in the Big East, then just drop football.

I think it would be impossible politically to turn down an offer from the Big 12 for full membership at full money, but athletically UConn should stick it out in the Big East until the ACC falls apart. UConn belongs with Syracuse and Boston College, and nobody on this board will be surprised if Syracuse and Boston College are looking for a change in 2030. Fast forward to that year, though, and UConn would be looking to pay another conference exit fee to get out of the Big 12 -- they just gave the AAC $17 million and they would be looking at giving the Big East something like $20 million.

Just ride it out in the Big East and kick ass on the hardwood.

You don't forgo an incremental $40m/year because you are worried about a potential exit fee. Any future exit fee assessment stands on its own and has to make sense under the circumstances.

No ill will towards Cuse or BC, but we are not tied together and we will not forego our chance to move up because we might be able to play together in the future. No. Way.

When the exit fee also includes a grant of rights, it becomes a pretty big deal -- to the tune of $40 million/year.