(06-05-2023 07:48 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote: (06-05-2023 06:05 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote: (06-05-2023 03:37 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote: (06-05-2023 11:02 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote: (06-05-2023 10:45 AM)jgkojak Wrote: I tend to think the B12 should go after SDSU and SMU and add them now, cut the lifelines off for Pac 12, meaning if they manage to add Colorado that's ballgame
No.
At best, SDSU would be a conditional offer- if CU leaves and other PAC stay.
Likely the PAC has given them a conditional offer of if schools leave, they’ll be backfill.
If SDSU had a firm offer to commit to from either conference, they would be committed and announced. They don’t, they’re waiting on conditions
Two schools, both in SoCal, already left the PAC.
I will repeat this once again, from day 1 Klavikoff has said they prefer to get their media deal finalized and then quickly move to expansion. Nothing has to be done in regards to SDSU until June 30. Plus, it doesn't make sense for SDSU to sign an agreement without knowing the terms.
Without knowing the terms? The only terms SDSU needs to know is that it’s not the Mountain West.
I’ll repeat this once again, but the hold up is that SDSU has at best a conditional offer. That’s consistent with Klavikoff needing to know the deal- aka whether SDSU is needed and beneficial to have in the deal. Backfill.
The current 10 schools do not benefit from adding another mouth to feed for USC/UCLA leftovers, particularly one closer to recruits/students. Any gains SDSU makes in becoming worthy of inclusion comes at the expense of current PAC. Without severe unequal revenue distribution, whatever minimal incremental increase from having SDSU isn’t worth the brand decay and competition
And adding SDSU likely means adding another G5
Not impossible SDSU gets added to this group of 10, but it is conditional. A much more likely condition is the PAC is forced to add SDSU when backfilling for losing more schools
I guess we'll see, then. You seem so sure of yourself what is going on with the PAC but the PAC has been pretty tight lipped, though more than one PAC official has said they expect the deal to be sufficient to keep the conference together.
You don't understand the need for the PAC to remain in SoCal, just the recruiting area alone let alone the size of the market of 1.1M homes. Since Marcus Allen, San Diego has produced 3 more Heisman winners and then Terrell Davis. SoCal has 24M people living in it. The PAC cannot afford to lose a foothold here and if they did, the B12 would add SDSU in a heartbeat.
You have dozens of posts in which you’re “so sure of yourself what is going on with the PAC”
There is no question if SDSU had a commitable PAC offer they’d already be committed.
They don’t. The PAC only conditionally wants SDSU, and it’s unknown whether those conditions will come to fruition. I have no doubt some close to SDSU are confident the conditions will be met, likely flamed by Klavikoff over-promises and half-truths
Recruiting in SoCal hasn’t changed for the 10 remaining schools. USC rejects aren’t now going to MWC or lower because LA schools are in BIG. The hierarchy is the same, potentially better with USC and UCLA now playing in rust belt, although the superior P2 brand will help keep those schools ahead of PAC10.
What would change recruiting is adding another PAC school, one located in SoCal. ASU and AZ in particular are negatively impacted by that. Further, if there is a future culling, AZ schools don’t benefit from subsidizing SDSU to peer status
SoCal need is about TV valuation. That market has been somewhat lost for PAC but adding SDSU doesn’t increase the penetration enough past the many PAC alumns in SoCal to clearly offset the downsides of adding SDSU. SMU would take less money and be true expansion. Does anyone recall how the title game pulled in LA?
Just as two years ago, the Big 12 interest in SDSU is tepid at best. How many times does that conference need to turn you down to realize that? It would take a PAC school leaving without other PAC, and even then UConn is more appealing. Similar football ratings, better basketball, and adding in the east which is needed.