(06-02-2023 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 07:34 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 02:39 PM)Boots Wrote:  It doesn't seem Memphis is in the top few scenarios. Always just missing out.

Just don't get it either.

Top 25 basketball program (what they are saying they want), passionate fan base, R1 (yes I know about historically...but academics have improved a ton), about to pour 200mm into stadium renovation which will be unreal, been one of the top G5 football programs over last 10 years, new baseball stadium, new soccer stadium, new state and market for TV who loves football.

Feel bad for Memphis fans and administration. They have addressed every hole they may have had.

Boise State as well. One of the winning football programs since the late 90s. There men's basketball is getting there going to post season with more than 10 20 + win seasons. They still recruit good players out of California and in the state of Washington for both programs. They just need that extra boast to push them past the hump to go far in football and in men's basketball.

I think you may have mentioned Boise State before. Doubtful candidate.

Are you too chicken to have Boise State in the conference where they beat the pants off you?

lol - gotta love intellectual reasoning : )

Kidding aside, when I see you mention BSU, I think about how they are losing unequal revenue sharing, and though they were on the Big12 shortlist in the past, they aren't this time around.

So one has to wonder why.

You cheering on the school isn't going to get them on any new shortlists.

From what I can tell, they bring the Idaho market, and on-the-field success. But they don't check other boxes that conferences look for, like high-end academics and research, or large market area.

And from what I've been hearing, their on-the-field successes, while decent, aren't what they were anymore, either.

If you want them to get considered for realignment, they are going to need to bring more to the table.

Memphis has an action plan and is remodeling their stadium.

USF - new stadium, and just got AAU.

and I could go on and on.

What's Boise State done lately?

Being a rabid fan doesn't get a school in consideration - that's true of all schools.

I know it's a hard look in the mirror, but at the end of the day, it's a simple question:

Does Boise State bring enough the table to get invited to a P5 conference?

And right now, the answer appears to be "no".

If you don't like that answer, then the best you can do is hope that Boise State does something about its current situation. Because right now, it doesn't look like they are even in the conferences' realignment conversation.

Why would anyone expect any announcements of realignment after a conference meeting? Programs announce realignment not conference.

(06-02-2023 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 07:34 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 02:39 PM)Boots Wrote:  It doesn't seem Memphis is in the top few scenarios. Always just missing out.

Just don't get it either.

Top 25 basketball program (what they are saying they want), passionate fan base, R1 (yes I know about historically...but academics have improved a ton), about to pour 200mm into stadium renovation which will be unreal, been one of the top G5 football programs over last 10 years, new baseball stadium, new soccer stadium, new state and market for TV who loves football.

Feel bad for Memphis fans and administration. They have addressed every hole they may have had.

Boise State as well. One of the winning football programs since the late 90s. There men's basketball is getting there going to post season with more than 10 20 + win seasons. They still recruit good players out of California and in the state of Washington for both programs. They just need that extra boast to push them past the hump to go far in football and in men's basketball.

I think you may have mentioned Boise State before. Doubtful candidate.

Are you too chicken to have Boise State in the conference where they beat the pants off you?

DavidSt,

By 2040, what conference will Boise State be in?

(06-02-2023 08:32 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 07:34 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 02:39 PM)Boots Wrote:  It doesn't seem Memphis is in the top few scenarios. Always just missing out.

Just don't get it either.

Top 25 basketball program (what they are saying they want), passionate fan base, R1 (yes I know about historically...but academics have improved a ton), about to pour 200mm into stadium renovation which will be unreal, been one of the top G5 football programs over last 10 years, new baseball stadium, new soccer stadium, new state and market for TV who loves football.

Feel bad for Memphis fans and administration. They have addressed every hole they may have had.

Boise State as well. One of the winning football programs since the late 90s. There men's basketball is getting there going to post season with more than 10 20 + win seasons. They still recruit good players out of California and in the state of Washington for both programs. They just need that extra boast to push them past the hump to go far in football and in men's basketball.

I think you may have mentioned Boise State before. Doubtful candidate.

Are you too chicken to have Boise State in the conference where they beat the pants off you?

lol - gotta love intellectual reasoning : )

Kidding aside, when I see you mention BSU, I think about how they are losing unequal revenue sharing, and though they were on the Big12 shortlist in the past, they aren't this time around.

So one has to wonder why.

You cheering on the school isn't going to get them on any new shortlists.

From what I can tell, they bring the Idaho market, and on-the-field success. But they don't check other boxes that conferences look for, like high-end academics and research, or large market area.

And from what I've been hearing, their on-the-field successes, while decent, aren't what they were anymore, either.

If you want them to get considered for realignment, they are going to need to bring more to the table.

Memphis has an action plan and is remodeling their stadium.

USF - new stadium, and just got AAU.

and I could go on and on.

What's Boise State done lately?

Being a rabid fan doesn't get a school in consideration - that's true of all schools.

I know it's a hard look in the mirror, but at the end of the day, it's a simple question:

Does Boise State bring enough the table to get invited to a P5 conference?

And right now, the answer appears to be "no".

If you don't like that answer, then the best you can do is hope that Boise State does something about its current situation. Because right now, it doesn't look like they are even in the conferences' realignment conversation.

Boise State is spending money on academics.

Boise is in the top 100 tv media market.

Boise is one of the faster growing city, and the state as a whole are gaining population.

Boise State is an R2 school which BYU and TCU are.

Boise State's men's basketball have many 20+ seasons.

Boise have an airport.

Boise State have became the unofficial flagship University since University of Idaho was strip of the title.

They could wind up buying the private med school in the sub-burbs if it starts to fail.

They already offered degrees in the medical field, but not for doctors yet.

Boise State already doing upgrades on their facilities to the agreement with the Big 12 officials.

Baylor's leadership along with Okie State and now Texas Tech are looking at them to be a Big 12 member.

(06-02-2023 08:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:32 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 07:34 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State as well. One of the winning football programs since the late 90s. There men's basketball is getting there going to post season with more than 10 20 + win seasons. They still recruit good players out of California and in the state of Washington for both programs. They just need that extra boast to push them past the hump to go far in football and in men's basketball.

I think you may have mentioned Boise State before. Doubtful candidate.

Are you too chicken to have Boise State in the conference where they beat the pants off you?

lol - gotta love intellectual reasoning : )

Kidding aside, when I see you mention BSU, I think about how they are losing unequal revenue sharing, and though they were on the Big12 shortlist in the past, they aren't this time around.

So one has to wonder why.

You cheering on the school isn't going to get them on any new shortlists.

From what I can tell, they bring the Idaho market, and on-the-field success. But they don't check other boxes that conferences look for, like high-end academics and research, or large market area.

And from what I've been hearing, their on-the-field successes, while decent, aren't what they were anymore, either.

If you want them to get considered for realignment, they are going to need to bring more to the table.

Memphis has an action plan and is remodeling their stadium.

USF - new stadium, and just got AAU.

and I could go on and on.

What's Boise State done lately?

Being a rabid fan doesn't get a school in consideration - that's true of all schools.

I know it's a hard look in the mirror, but at the end of the day, it's a simple question:

Does Boise State bring enough the table to get invited to a P5 conference?

And right now, the answer appears to be "no".

If you don't like that answer, then the best you can do is hope that Boise State does something about its current situation. Because right now, it doesn't look like they are even in the conferences' realignment conversation.

Boise State is spending money on academics.

Boise is in the top 100 tv media market.

Boise is one of the faster growing city, and the state as a whole are gaining population.

Boise State is an R2 school which BYU and TCU are.

Boise State's men's basketball have many 20+ seasons.

Boise have an airport.

Boise State have became the unofficial flagship University since University of Idaho was strip of the title.

They could wind up buying the private med school in the sub-burbs if it starts to fail.

They already offered degrees in the medical field, but not for doctors yet.

Boise State already doing upgrades on their facilities to the agreement with the Big 12 officials.

Baylor's leadership along with Okie State and now Texas Tech are looking at them to be a Big 12 member.

Link please

When Yormack says he has a plan, he means the big12 has revenue needed to finance pac12 schools joining the conference. My guess is, they talked to Navigate and networks and saw a jump in revenue if selective pac12 schools jumped.

That is the plan. They will hold and wait.

(06-02-2023 08:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:32 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 07:34 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State as well. One of the winning football programs since the late 90s. There men's basketball is getting there going to post season with more than 10 20 + win seasons. They still recruit good players out of California and in the state of Washington for both programs. They just need that extra boast to push them past the hump to go far in football and in men's basketball.

I think you may have mentioned Boise State before. Doubtful candidate.

Are you too chicken to have Boise State in the conference where they beat the pants off you?

lol - gotta love intellectual reasoning : )

Kidding aside, when I see you mention BSU, I think about how they are losing unequal revenue sharing, and though they were on the Big12 shortlist in the past, they aren't this time around.

So one has to wonder why.

You cheering on the school isn't going to get them on any new shortlists.

From what I can tell, they bring the Idaho market, and on-the-field success. But they don't check other boxes that conferences look for, like high-end academics and research, or large market area.

And from what I've been hearing, their on-the-field successes, while decent, aren't what they were anymore, either.

If you want them to get considered for realignment, they are going to need to bring more to the table.

Memphis has an action plan and is remodeling their stadium.

USF - new stadium, and just got AAU.

and I could go on and on.

What's Boise State done lately?

Being a rabid fan doesn't get a school in consideration - that's true of all schools.

I know it's a hard look in the mirror, but at the end of the day, it's a simple question:

Does Boise State bring enough the table to get invited to a P5 conference?

And right now, the answer appears to be "no".

If you don't like that answer, then the best you can do is hope that Boise State does something about its current situation. Because right now, it doesn't look like they are even in the conferences' realignment conversation.

<snipped response to respond below>

Thank you for the response, I'll respond to each below:

Boise State is spending money on academics. - so does every single school.

Boise is in the top 100 tv media market. - Top 100 is not likely to cut it when there are less than 80 P-level schools

Boise is one of the faster growing city, and the state as a whole are gaining population. - That's awesome. What are those numbers compared to the rest of the G5 schools?

Boise State is an R2 school which BYU and TCU are. - great. That helps. However, needless to say, comparing to schools already in a conference doesn't help. You're competing with the ones who want to get in the door.

Boise State's men's basketball have many 20+ seasons. - on-the-field results are nice, but inviting a school is a long term decision. And often such results are not weighted as heavily as other results.

Boise have an airport. - That's nice, but so do most schools.

Boise State have became the unofficial flagship University since University of Idaho was strip of the title. - Probably not a criteria that conferences look at much any more.

They could wind up buying the private med school in the sub-burbs if it starts to fail. - That's a future hope. And it sounds like it's not even close to a guarantee. Regardless, is that med school a top-tier research medical school?

They already offered degrees in the medical field, but not for doctors yet. - Most schools do that. Sounds like a place that needs work/development.

Boise State already doing upgrades on their facilities to the agreement with the Big 12 officials. - Are you talking about the "Athletics Master Village"? From what I can see, a $300M upgrade sounds like a positive.

Baylor's leadership along with Okie State and now Texas Tech are looking at them to be a Big 12 member. - I'd ask for a recent link for that. Current reporting doesn't appear to have them listed at all.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/05/15/co...onferences

So based upon what you've shared, it sounds like they are working on things.

Is it enough?

Well, from what I've learned from you, compared to my previous post (market area and on-the-field results), what I see additional that might help get BSU on short lists, would seem to be the "Athletics Master Village" investment.

It sounds like a step in the right direction.

But there are other schools who seem to be doing more, and have been for some time. For example, the USF action plan from 2012, which came to fruition this week.

At this point, I think your best hope for P5 invitation is the Big12. And that likely only happens if they don't get any PAC schools, and if they want more than 16. Based upon current reporting, there would seem to be at least 4 G5 schools that seem to be clearly in line ahead of BSU.

So there may be hope.

But consider a school like Memphis - they seem to always make the short list, but not get the invite.

Boise State didn't even seem to make the short list this time around.

But who knows. It'll all come down to the Big12 schools voting, and what their media partners are willing to agree to.

Good luck : )

At some point you just have to respect what DavidSt is doing

(06-02-2023 09:39 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:32 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 07:34 PM)colohank Wrote:  I think you may have mentioned Boise State before. Doubtful candidate.

Are you too chicken to have Boise State in the conference where they beat the pants off you?

lol - gotta love intellectual reasoning : )

Kidding aside, when I see you mention BSU, I think about how they are losing unequal revenue sharing, and though they were on the Big12 shortlist in the past, they aren't this time around.

So one has to wonder why.

You cheering on the school isn't going to get them on any new shortlists.

From what I can tell, they bring the Idaho market, and on-the-field success. But they don't check other boxes that conferences look for, like high-end academics and research, or large market area.

And from what I've been hearing, their on-the-field successes, while decent, aren't what they were anymore, either.

If you want them to get considered for realignment, they are going to need to bring more to the table.

Memphis has an action plan and is remodeling their stadium.

USF - new stadium, and just got AAU.

and I could go on and on.

What's Boise State done lately?

Being a rabid fan doesn't get a school in consideration - that's true of all schools.

I know it's a hard look in the mirror, but at the end of the day, it's a simple question:

Does Boise State bring enough the table to get invited to a P5 conference?

And right now, the answer appears to be "no".

If you don't like that answer, then the best you can do is hope that Boise State does something about its current situation. Because right now, it doesn't look like they are even in the conferences' realignment conversation.

<snipped response to respond below>

Thank you for the response, I'll respond to each below:

Boise State is spending money on academics. - so does every single school.

Boise is in the top 100 tv media market. - Top 100 is not likely to cut it when there are less than 80 P-level schools

Boise is one of the faster growing city, and the state as a whole are gaining population. - That's awesome. What are those numbers compared to the rest of the G5 schools?

Boise State is an R2 school which BYU and TCU are. - great. That helps. However, needless to say, comparing to schools already in a conference doesn't help. You're competing with the ones who want to get in the door.

Boise State's men's basketball have many 20+ seasons. - on-the-field results are nice, but inviting a school is a long term decision. And often such results are not weighted as heavily as other results.

Boise have an airport. - That's nice, but so do most schools.

Boise State have became the unofficial flagship University since University of Idaho was strip of the title. - Probably not a criteria that conferences look at much any more.

They could wind up buying the private med school in the sub-burbs if it starts to fail. - That's a future hope. And it sounds like it's not even close to a guarantee. Regardless, is that med school a top-tier research medical school?

They already offered degrees in the medical field, but not for doctors yet. - Most schools do that. Sounds like a place that needs work/development.

Boise State already doing upgrades on their facilities to the agreement with the Big 12 officials. - Are you talking about the "Athletics Master Village"? From what I can see, a $300M upgrade sounds like a positive.

Baylor's leadership along with Okie State and now Texas Tech are looking at them to be a Big 12 member. - I'd ask for a recent link for that. Current reporting doesn't appear to have them listed at all.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/05/15/co...onferences

So based upon what you've shared, it sounds like they are working on things.

Is it enough?

Well, from what I've learned from you, compared to my previous post (market area and on-the-field results), what I see additional that might help get BSU on short lists, would seem to be the "Athletics Master Village" investment.

It sounds like a step in the right direction.

But there are other schools who seem to be doing more, and have been for some time. For example, the USF action plan from 2012, which came to fruition this week.

At this point, I think your best hope for P5 invitation is the Big12. And that likely only happens if they don't get any PAC schools, and if they want more than 16. Based upon current reporting, there would seem to be at least 4 G5 schools that seem to be clearly in line ahead of BSU.

So there may be hope.

But consider a school like Memphis - they seem to always make the short list, but not get the invite.

Boise State didn't even seem to make the short list this time around.

But who knows. It'll all come down to the Big12 schools voting, and what their media partners are willing to agree to.

Good luck : )

A lot of media people say that Boise State is the number 1 G5 school that should be at the number 1 spot for a P5 invite. The Boise State vs BYU game on ESPN in 2021 came close to 2 million viewers. The BYU Vs Boise State game on FS2 brought in only 200K + viewers. Fox sports do not know how to promote G5 games really well unlike ESPN. ESPN do view UNLV to be at the bottom of the G5 schools to even considered to invite. If ESPN wants G5? They would go after MWC schools first with Fresno State, San Diego State, Boise State, Air Force to even neuter the MWC to put them below AAC levels again. Those are the four schools I would target.

(06-03-2023 01:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 09:39 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:32 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Are you too chicken to have Boise State in the conference where they beat the pants off you?

lol - gotta love intellectual reasoning : )

Kidding aside, when I see you mention BSU, I think about how they are losing unequal revenue sharing, and though they were on the Big12 shortlist in the past, they aren't this time around.

So one has to wonder why.

You cheering on the school isn't going to get them on any new shortlists.

From what I can tell, they bring the Idaho market, and on-the-field success. But they don't check other boxes that conferences look for, like high-end academics and research, or large market area.

And from what I've been hearing, their on-the-field successes, while decent, aren't what they were anymore, either.

If you want them to get considered for realignment, they are going to need to bring more to the table.

Memphis has an action plan and is remodeling their stadium.

USF - new stadium, and just got AAU.

and I could go on and on.

What's Boise State done lately?

Being a rabid fan doesn't get a school in consideration - that's true of all schools.

I know it's a hard look in the mirror, but at the end of the day, it's a simple question:

Does Boise State bring enough the table to get invited to a P5 conference?

And right now, the answer appears to be "no".

If you don't like that answer, then the best you can do is hope that Boise State does something about its current situation. Because right now, it doesn't look like they are even in the conferences' realignment conversation.

<snipped response to respond below>

Thank you for the response, I'll respond to each below:

Boise State is spending money on academics. - so does every single school.

Boise is in the top 100 tv media market. - Top 100 is not likely to cut it when there are less than 80 P-level schools

Boise is one of the faster growing city, and the state as a whole are gaining population. - That's awesome. What are those numbers compared to the rest of the G5 schools?

Boise State is an R2 school which BYU and TCU are. - great. That helps. However, needless to say, comparing to schools already in a conference doesn't help. You're competing with the ones who want to get in the door.

Boise State's men's basketball have many 20+ seasons. - on-the-field results are nice, but inviting a school is a long term decision. And often such results are not weighted as heavily as other results.

Boise have an airport. - That's nice, but so do most schools.

Boise State have became the unofficial flagship University since University of Idaho was strip of the title. - Probably not a criteria that conferences look at much any more.

They could wind up buying the private med school in the sub-burbs if it starts to fail. - That's a future hope. And it sounds like it's not even close to a guarantee. Regardless, is that med school a top-tier research medical school?

They already offered degrees in the medical field, but not for doctors yet. - Most schools do that. Sounds like a place that needs work/development.

Boise State already doing upgrades on their facilities to the agreement with the Big 12 officials. - Are you talking about the "Athletics Master Village"? From what I can see, a $300M upgrade sounds like a positive.

Baylor's leadership along with Okie State and now Texas Tech are looking at them to be a Big 12 member. - I'd ask for a recent link for that. Current reporting doesn't appear to have them listed at all.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/05/15/co...onferences

So based upon what you've shared, it sounds like they are working on things.

Is it enough?

Well, from what I've learned from you, compared to my previous post (market area and on-the-field results), what I see additional that might help get BSU on short lists, would seem to be the "Athletics Master Village" investment.

It sounds like a step in the right direction.

But there are other schools who seem to be doing more, and have been for some time. For example, the USF action plan from 2012, which came to fruition this week.

At this point, I think your best hope for P5 invitation is the Big12. And that likely only happens if they don't get any PAC schools, and if they want more than 16. Based upon current reporting, there would seem to be at least 4 G5 schools that seem to be clearly in line ahead of BSU.

So there may be hope.

But consider a school like Memphis - they seem to always make the short list, but not get the invite.

Boise State didn't even seem to make the short list this time around.

But who knows. It'll all come down to the Big12 schools voting, and what their media partners are willing to agree to.

Good luck : )

A lot of media people say that Boise State is the number 1 G5 school that should be at the number 1 spot for a P5 invite. The Boise State vs BYU game on ESPN in 2021 came close to 2 million viewers. The BYU Vs Boise State game on FS2 brought in only 200K + viewers. Fox sports do not know how to promote G5 games really well unlike ESPN. ESPN do view UNLV to be at the bottom of the G5 schools to even considered to invite. If ESPN wants G5? They would go after MWC schools first with Fresno State, San Diego State, Boise State, Air Force to even neuter the MWC to put them below AAC levels again. Those are the four schools I would target.

bolded - do you have any links to those articles? I would be interested in reading about that.

(06-03-2023 01:53 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 01:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 09:39 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:32 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  lol - gotta love intellectual reasoning : )

Kidding aside, when I see you mention BSU, I think about how they are losing unequal revenue sharing, and though they were on the Big12 shortlist in the past, they aren't this time around.

So one has to wonder why.

You cheering on the school isn't going to get them on any new shortlists.

From what I can tell, they bring the Idaho market, and on-the-field success. But they don't check other boxes that conferences look for, like high-end academics and research, or large market area.

And from what I've been hearing, their on-the-field successes, while decent, aren't what they were anymore, either.

If you want them to get considered for realignment, they are going to need to bring more to the table.

Memphis has an action plan and is remodeling their stadium.

USF - new stadium, and just got AAU.

and I could go on and on.

What's Boise State done lately?

Being a rabid fan doesn't get a school in consideration - that's true of all schools.

I know it's a hard look in the mirror, but at the end of the day, it's a simple question:

Does Boise State bring enough the table to get invited to a P5 conference?

And right now, the answer appears to be "no".

If you don't like that answer, then the best you can do is hope that Boise State does something about its current situation. Because right now, it doesn't look like they are even in the conferences' realignment conversation.

<snipped response to respond below>

Thank you for the response, I'll respond to each below:

Boise State is spending money on academics. - so does every single school.

Boise is in the top 100 tv media market. - Top 100 is not likely to cut it when there are less than 80 P-level schools

Boise is one of the faster growing city, and the state as a whole are gaining population. - That's awesome. What are those numbers compared to the rest of the G5 schools?

Boise State is an R2 school which BYU and TCU are. - great. That helps. However, needless to say, comparing to schools already in a conference doesn't help. You're competing with the ones who want to get in the door.

Boise State's men's basketball have many 20+ seasons. - on-the-field results are nice, but inviting a school is a long term decision. And often such results are not weighted as heavily as other results.

Boise have an airport. - That's nice, but so do most schools.

Boise State have became the unofficial flagship University since University of Idaho was strip of the title. - Probably not a criteria that conferences look at much any more.

They could wind up buying the private med school in the sub-burbs if it starts to fail. - That's a future hope. And it sounds like it's not even close to a guarantee. Regardless, is that med school a top-tier research medical school?

They already offered degrees in the medical field, but not for doctors yet. - Most schools do that. Sounds like a place that needs work/development.

Boise State already doing upgrades on their facilities to the agreement with the Big 12 officials. - Are you talking about the "Athletics Master Village"? From what I can see, a $300M upgrade sounds like a positive.

Baylor's leadership along with Okie State and now Texas Tech are looking at them to be a Big 12 member. - I'd ask for a recent link for that. Current reporting doesn't appear to have them listed at all.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/05/15/co...onferences

So based upon what you've shared, it sounds like they are working on things.

Is it enough?

Well, from what I've learned from you, compared to my previous post (market area and on-the-field results), what I see additional that might help get BSU on short lists, would seem to be the "Athletics Master Village" investment.

It sounds like a step in the right direction.

But there are other schools who seem to be doing more, and have been for some time. For example, the USF action plan from 2012, which came to fruition this week.

At this point, I think your best hope for P5 invitation is the Big12. And that likely only happens if they don't get any PAC schools, and if they want more than 16. Based upon current reporting, there would seem to be at least 4 G5 schools that seem to be clearly in line ahead of BSU.

So there may be hope.

But consider a school like Memphis - they seem to always make the short list, but not get the invite.

Boise State didn't even seem to make the short list this time around.

But who knows. It'll all come down to the Big12 schools voting, and what their media partners are willing to agree to.

Good luck : )

A lot of media people say that Boise State is the number 1 G5 school that should be at the number 1 spot for a P5 invite. The Boise State vs BYU game on ESPN in 2021 came close to 2 million viewers. The BYU Vs Boise State game on FS2 brought in only 200K + viewers. Fox sports do not know how to promote G5 games really well unlike ESPN. ESPN do view UNLV to be at the bottom of the G5 schools to even considered to invite. If ESPN wants G5? They would go after MWC schools first with Fresno State, San Diego State, Boise State, Air Force to even neuter the MWC to put them below AAC levels again. Those are the four schools I would target.

bolded - do you have any links to those articles? I would be interested in reading about that.

He's making crap up. You and I both know that.

St. David has been drinking again I see

(06-02-2023 09:56 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  At some point you just have to respect what DavidSt is doing

If by what DavidSt is "doing" you mean his relentlessly pitching Boise for Big 12 membership ... yes, his level of tenacity is impressive. And he is completely unfazed by his critics and even those on the board who mock him. He simply ignores and keeps plowing forward. It's quite something.

Could Kansas songwriter Kerry Livgren have had DavidSt in mind (instead of Albert Einstein) when he penned the song "Portrait (He Knew)"?

But he knew, he knew more than me or you
No one could see his view
Where was he going to?
But he knew, you could tell by the picture he drew
It was totally something new
Oh, where was he going to?

(06-03-2023 05:48 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 09:56 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  At some point you just have to respect what DavidSt is doing

If by what DavidSt is "doing" you mean his relentlessly pitching Boise for Big 12 membership ... yes, his level of tenacity is impressive. And he is completely unfazed by his critics and even those on the board who mock him. He simply ignores and keeps plowing forward. It's quite something.

Could Kansas songwriter Kerry Livgren have had DavidSt in mind (instead of Albert Einstein) when he penned the song "Portrait (He Knew)"?

But he knew, he knew more than me or you
No one could see his view
Where was he going to?
But he knew, you could tell by the picture he drew
It was totally something new
Oh, where was he going to?

(06-02-2023 02:42 PM)Boots Wrote:  Feels like here are B12 expansion preference scenarios...

1) Add two to four 4 Corner Schools (AZ, ASU, CO, UT)
2) Add two to four 4Cs + Gonzaga/UCONN
3) Add Gonzaga/UCONN only
4) Add 2-4 combo of Memphis, UNLV, SDSU, USF, UCONN

That's what if feels and sounds like to me.

No one is adding UNLV. They just announced the MWC TV package. Here is how it breaks out. Hawaii’s totals are impacted by the home TV package. If they take a MWC team or two it will come from the 4 bolded teams not from teams Fox/CBS don’t want to bother broadcasting at MWC rates………

Team Total ABC CBS Fox Other

SDSU 12 0 7 5 0

BSU 11 1 4 6 0

Fresno 11 0 4 6 1 (Big10)

AFA 10 0 8 2 0

WYO 9 0 5 3 1 (LHN)

SJSU 8 1 5 1 1 (P12)

UNR 6 0 3 2 1 (P12)

UNLV. 6. 1 3 2 0

USU 6 0 5 1 0

CSU 5 0 4 1 0

UNM 5 1 2 2 0

Hawaii 4 0 2 0 2 (SEC/P12

(06-03-2023 09:03 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 02:42 PM)Boots Wrote:  Feels like here are B12 expansion preference scenarios...

1) Add two to four 4 Corner Schools (AZ, ASU, CO, UT)
2) Add two to four 4Cs + Gonzaga/UCONN
3) Add Gonzaga/UCONN only
4) Add 2-4 combo of Memphis, UNLV, SDSU, USF, UCONN

That's what if feels and sounds like to me.

No one is adding UNLV. They just announced the MWC TV package. Here is how it breaks out. Hawaii’s totals are impacted by the home TV package. If they take a MWC team or two it will come from the 4 bolded teams not from teams Fox/CBS don’t want to bother broadcasting at MWC rates………

Team Total ABC CBS Fox Other

SDSU 12 0 7 5 0

BSU 11 1 4 6 0

Fresno 11 0 4 6 1 (Big10)

AFA 10 0 8 2 0

WYO 9 0 5 3 1 (LHN)

SJSU 8 1 5 1 1 (P12)

UNR 6 0 3 2 1 (P12)

UNLV. 6. 1 3 2 0

USU 6 0 5 1 0

CSU 5 0 4 1 0

UNM 5 1 2 2 0

Hawaii 4 0 2 0 2 (SEC/P12

I thought Yormark’s point was hoops and timezone

(06-03-2023 01:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  A lot of media people say that Boise State is the number 1 G5 school that should be at the number 1 spot for a P5 invite. The Boise State vs BYU game on ESPN in 2021 came close to 2 million viewers. The BYU Vs Boise State game on FS2 brought in only 200K + viewers. Fox sports do not know how to promote G5 games really well unlike ESPN. ESPN do view UNLV to be at the bottom of the G5 schools to even considered to invite. If ESPN wants G5? They would go after MWC schools first with Fresno State, San Diego State, Boise State, Air Force to even neuter the MWC to put them below AAC levels again. Those are the four schools I would target.

Can you name one of these media people? I haven't heard anyone say that in a very long time.

(06-03-2023 09:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-03-2023 09:03 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 02:42 PM)Boots Wrote:  Feels like here are B12 expansion preference scenarios...

1) Add two to four 4 Corner Schools (AZ, ASU, CO, UT)
2) Add two to four 4Cs + Gonzaga/UCONN
3) Add Gonzaga/UCONN only
4) Add 2-4 combo of Memphis, UNLV, SDSU, USF, UCONN

That's what if feels and sounds like to me.

No one is adding UNLV. They just announced the MWC TV package. Here is how it breaks out. Hawaii’s totals are impacted by the home TV package. If they take a MWC team or two it will come from the 4 bolded teams not from teams Fox/CBS don’t want to bother broadcasting at MWC rates………

Team Total ABC CBS Fox Other

SDSU 12 0 7 5 0

BSU 11 1 4 6 0

Fresno 11 0 4 6 1 (Big10)

AFA 10 0 8 2 0

WYO 9 0 5 3 1 (LHN)

SJSU 8 1 5 1 1 (P12)

UNR 6 0 3 2 1 (P12)

UNLV. 6. 1 3 2 0

USU 6 0 5 1 0

CSU 5 0 4 1 0

UNM 5 1 2 2 0

Hawaii 4 0 2 0 2 (SEC/P12

I thought Yormark’s point was hoops and timezone

Yormark also said football is driving the bus. I don’t think Air Force gets added or wants to be added. But the other 3 match the requirement.

Boise State has only one possible step up to make and that is the B12. No other P conference other than a broken-down Pac would even consider them. As such the B12 has no reason to jump the shark on them.

I don't see SD state in the B12, If Pac schools come the B12 doesn't need them, If Pac survives as a group, SD state prefers them. Fresno/Boise could be a choice at that point, but there would be no reason to rush that decision.

Several years ago, Boise appeared to be a good candidate to move up in class, but I think their time has passed. While they were once something of a media darling, now few people are talking about them, and when they do it's more about what might have been, not what could be. Frankly, they don't offer much for the Big 12.