(06-07-2023 11:24 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Leo Messi appears to be moving to MLS. It has been reported that in order to entice him, Apple offered to give him a share of the revenue from MLS season pass subscriptions. I'm wondering how this focus will affect the Pac/Apple negotiations. Apple now has a golden goose, do they really need the Pac?

One player on a single team isn't going to make them not want more sports. Did Fox not want more sports because they have access to the golden goose of the NFL?

Apple will not want to pay for what is perceived 2nd or 3rd (actually 5th) rate conference. I can see a situation where they obviously overpay to raise the perception of the PAC12.

(06-07-2023 01:37 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 06:11 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 01:28 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 12:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 11:09 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  So, the B12 is willing to add all 10 PAC teams? Don't you think that some of those in smaller markets, and that includes Arizona, would want to ensure they get it? What if, say the B12 could add Washington, Oregon, CU and ASU? Would they really want, much less need, Zona, Utah, the state schools?

No idea where you would get such an idea. I never said Big12 was interested in a full merger anywhere in my post---nor did I infer that the Big12 was interested in anything close to a full merger. I suspect 4-to-6 teams is about the maximum number of Pac12 teams that might expect to find safe haven in the Big12. If Oregon and Washington are interested----they would certainly be great additions. Problem is I dont think Washington and Oregon are anymore interested in signing a GOR with the Big12 than they are in signing a GOR with the Pac12. The 4-corners schools know they probably are not getting a Big10 invite---so the calculus for those schools is different.

Personally----I'd do a special deal with Oregon and Washington (a GOR that allows them to leave if they are invited to the Big10---but converts to a long term GOR at the end of the current media contract). So, the 4-corners are signed to the regular GOR---and Oregon and Washington come along---likely as short term rentals. If the Big12 wants, when Washington and Oregon get scooped up by the Big10---perhaps the B12 might consider replacing them with 2 from the remaining legacy Pac12 teams (Cal, Stanford, Oregon St, or Washington St). On the other hand, by then it might be better to wait and see if some attractive ACC schools are about to be looking for a more secure home.

Oregon and Washington are only interested in the B1G. If they can't go there, then they'll lean towards maintaining the status quo if it's even close to the current big 12 deal. If there's a large-enough gap and the B1G shuts them down, however, it's very possible that they move to the big 12 with the clear understanding that they're joining the B1G in 2031. Yormark would happily take that deal b/c it then opens him to take as many Pac schools as he wants. If I'm a big 12 President, I'd rather err on the side of adding too many Pac schools rather than not enough. We've all seen how this script flipped recently, there's no reason that it can't flip again if they leave any remnant of the Pac alive.

edit: as for how many Pac schools you guys would want? 8 of them are AAU. Think of what that would do for UH's Academic Clout, or to add (hypothetically) GT and other Academically Elite ACC refugees in the future. I think that it would be VERY hard for the big 12 to pass on every Pac school other than OSU/WSU.

The B1G seem intent on adding from the ACC, not the PAC. Same with the SEC. I would not be shocked, if this all blows up in the next two years, to see Oregon and Washington go to the ACC. In fact, what is left of the PAC, if it truly implodes, could be split between the ACC, Big XII and MWC. Though, based on the CA legislation passed forcing revenue sharing with athlete, I would still not be surprised if Stanford pulls the plug on big time football.

That's just a bill, it has no chance to pass right now, even in CA. It is incredible to see the California legislature attack their own schools while SEC state legislatures get together with their major schools and craft NIL carveouts for them. Even assuming that pay for play becomes the norm, getting stuck with rules crafted by the legislature would be incredibly harmful to all major California schools.

It passed the House, and the only hold up is the fairness of women's sports being paid equally. The Senate will take it up, any adjustments, if it passes, Newsome will sign it. Remember, it was CA who got the ball rolling on NIL. Paying athletes as employees is coming, hide from the facts, it will be here. Either through legislation, or the courts (NLRB ruling). When it happens, college athletics will never be the same again.

(06-07-2023 11:31 AM)e-parade Wrote:  

(06-07-2023 11:24 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Leo Messi appears to be moving to MLS. It has been reported that in order to entice him, Apple offered to give him a share of the revenue from MLS season pass subscriptions. I'm wondering how this focus will affect the Pac/Apple negotiations. Apple now has a golden goose, do they really need the Pac?

One player on a single team isn't going to make them not want more sports. Did Fox not want more sports because they have access to the golden goose of the NFL?

Well, they have entirely different revenue models, so the comparison isn't appropriate. However, I had forgotten that an MLS Season Pass subscription does not include an Apple TV+ subscription and an Apple TV+ subscription does not include an MLS season pass subscription, so there is clearly no revenue cannibalization if Apple decides to also buy the Pac rights (this was my main objection).

Have there been any reports on the format that Apple would pursue? I.e., would there be a separate Pac subscription like there is for MLS?

(06-07-2023 11:24 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Leo Messi appears to be moving to MLS. It has been reported that in order to entice him, Apple offered to give him a share of the revenue from MLS season pass subscriptions.
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Leo Messi to Inter Miami--a very interesting development. Apple's MSL offerings are shining a bit more brightly this week. The philosophy is paying off: Speak quietly and stay buds with Beckham.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65832658

2047 is long way away, but here's a doom prediction for the board: It's already over for the MLB Marlins. They will leave town that year and the only person seeing them off will be the janitor.