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RE: SEC going 16 Teams, 8 Conference Games, No Divisions, for 2024
So I decided to try to figure out how the SEC should have their 2024 schedule if it will truly be a 1 year event. I spent way too long working on this trying to balance out the schedule as best I could. If Saban wants to complain about it, well that's too bad. 53.6 was as low as I could get it without another team going above 53.6 under my parameters for this exercise.

The data was based on this tweet from Dellinger.


I started out giving each team at least 3 rivalries and up to 6. Then matched up the rest of the teams balancing as best I could. This was kinda a template, but it was loose because rivalries was top priority.

Alabama-Georgia
Oklahoma-LSU
Auburn-Florida
Texas-Texas A&M

Kentucky-Missouri
Mississippi St.-Ole Miss
Tennessee-South Carolina
Vanderbilt-Arkansas

Each team plays 4 teams from the top 8 and 4 teams from the bottom 8. Belowhe top dash is rivalries protected and the bottom dash is the additional matchups giving everyone 8 conference games (Conference: 52.05 Aver.).

Alabama (6) - 53.6 Aver.
- Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, Mississippi St., Ole Miss, Georgia
- Missouri, Texas A&M

Arkansas (5) - 50.5 Aver.
- Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Texas, Missouri
- Auburn, Mississippi St., Tennessee

Auburn (4) - 51.5 Aver.
- Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi St.
- South Carolina, Texas, Vanderbilt, Arkansas

Florida (5) - 52.3 Aver.
- Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Auburn, LSU
- Texas, Kentucky, Mississippi St.

Georgia (6) - 52.4 Aver.
- Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Alabama
- Kentucky, Oklahoma

Kentucky (4) - 53.0 Aver.
- Vanderbilt, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi St.
- Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma, Texas

LSU (6) - 51.7 Aver.
Ole Miss, Arkansas, Mississippi St., Alabama, Texas A&M, Florida
- Oklahoma, Vanderbilt

Mississippi St. (5) - 52.1 Aver.
- Ole Miss, Kentucky, LSU, Alabama, Auburn
- Florida, Arkansas, South Carolina

Missouri (3) - 53.1 Aver.
- Arkansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma
- Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M, Texas, South Carolina

Oklahoma (3) - 52.8 Aver.
- Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M
- LSU, Kentucky, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Georgia

Ole Miss (5) - 52.8 Aver.
- LSU, Mississippi St., Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Alabama
- Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

South Carolina (3) - 52.9 Aver.
- Florida, Georgia, Tennessee
- Oklahoma, Auburn, Missouri, Vanderbilt, Mississippi St.

Tennessee (6) - 50.6 Aver.
- Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
- Arkansas, Texas

Texas (3) - 52.8 Aver.
- Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas
- Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Florida, Missouri

Texas A&M (4) - 52.7 Aver.
- Arkansas, Texas, LSU, Oklahoma
- Alabama, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Missouri

Vanderbilt (4) - 51.9 Aver.
- Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Georgia
- South Carolina, Texas A&M, Auburn, LSU
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RE: SEC going 16 Teams, 8 Conference Games, No Divisions, for 2024
(06-03-2023 10:13 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If You expect to be the best, You play the Best ! Those schools recruit hard and play hard

And look for 'tune-up games.'

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RE: SEC going 16 Teams, 8 Conference Games, No Divisions, for 2024
(06-01-2023 05:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I've said all along that unless ESPN is willing to pony up more $$$, the SEC should not move to 9 games.

IIRC no one actually knows what the SEC will be making with their new contract.
ESPN is in no mood or position to pay the SEC any more than what they have been promised.
I would imagine a move to a 9 game conference schedule is all on the SEC's dime.
With a 9 game schedule, perhaps the SEC can get ESPN to activate the SECN's second channel, that way both ESPN and the SEC can make more money.
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RE: SEC going 16 Teams, 8 Conference Games, No Divisions, for 2024
From D1.ticker:

Kentucky AD Barnhart explains UK’s position on retaining an eight-game conference football slate: “At Kentucky, we have scheduled to our strength and to our depth and trying to maintain student-athlete health. We know there are times when our depth might not be as as much as others and we want to make sure we have the ability to see our way through a 12-game season and a bowl game. … I resent when people say we're scheduling just to get to a bowl. That's not true. We're scheduling to try and win a championship. We're trying to put ourselves in a position to make a run at it. Ultimately, to get to New Year's Day bowl games and to have an opportunity to play for in the College Football Playoff is a goal of our players. So we have always scheduled what we think is intelligently for our program.” Additionally, the eight-game schedule gives UK, “on occasion, eight home football games, which is incredibly important to the revenue of our program. So we've been able to check that box. We've been able to check the box to protect and hopefully give our young people an ability to stay healthy throughout the season. And we've checked the box in terms of the strength to schedule and the ability to pursue postseason football for us.”

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RE: SEC going 16 Teams, 8 Conference Games, No Divisions, for 2024
Should they move to 9 games in 2025, I propose the following schedule, with 4 geographical pods of 4, 3 permanent crossover opponents (1 from each of the other pods), & playing another team from each of the other pods (3+3+1+1+1) for a 9 game schedule:

Pods:
East - Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee
Southeast - Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Southwest - LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss
West - Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Permanent Crossovers (Pod):
Alabama - Tennessee (E), Texas A&M (W), LSU (SW)
Arkansas - LSU (SW), Vanderbilt (SE), South Carolina (E)
Auburn - Georgia (E), Texas (W), Missouri (SW)
Florida - Kentucky (SE), LSU (SW), Oklahoma (W)
Georgia - Auburn (SE), Mississippi State (SW), Texas A&M (W)
Kentucky - Florida (E), Oklahoma (W), Mississippi State (SW)
LSU - Arkansas (W), Florida (E), Alabama (SE)
Mississippi State - Texas A&M (W), Georgia (E), Kentucky (SE)
Missouri - Oklahoma (W), South Carolina (E), Auburn (SE)
Oklahoma - Missouri (SW), Kentucky (SE), Florida (E)
Ole Miss - Texas (W), Tennessee (E), Vanderbilt (SE)
South Carolina - Vanderbilt (SE), Missouri (SW), Arkansas (W)
Tennessee - Alabama (SE), Ole Miss (SW), Texas (W)
Texas - Ole Miss (SW), Auburn (SE), Tennessee (E)
Texas A&M - Mississippi State (SW), Alabama (SE), Georgia (E)
Vanderbilt - South Carolina (E), Arkansas (W), Ole Miss (SW)

Example schedule for Florida would be:

'25 - UGA (Jax), @SC, TN, @UK, LSU, @OU, Bama, @Miss. St., Ark.
'26 - UGA (Jax), SC, @TN, UK, @LSU, OU, @AU, Mizz, @Texas
'27 - UGA (Jax), @SC, TN, @UK, LSU, @OU, Vandy, @Ole Miss, TAMU
'28 - UGA (Jax), SC, @TN, UK, @LSU, OU, @Bama, Miss. St., @Ark.
'29 - UGA (Jax), @SC, TN, @UK, LSU, @OU, @AU, @Mizz, Texas
'30 - UGA (Jax), SC, @TN, UK, @LSU, OU, @Vandy, Ole Miss, @TAMU

Then repeat, until/unless the conference expands again.

Following this format, every team would play one another at minimum once every 3 years, & travel throughout the entire conference.

The conference championship would be a matchup of the top two teams regardless of pod, & tiebreakers would be head-to-head first, then record against own pod, then record against opponent's pod, then lowest points allowed in conference play.
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RE: SEC going 16 Teams, 8 Conference Games, No Divisions, for 2024
If the Big Ten decides on "flex" rivals instead of 3-6-6, it could open the door for the SEC to give some teams to have more rivals than others and allow more rivalries like Texas-Texas A&M, Alabama-Tennessee, and Georgia-Auburn to remain while some schools could just have just one.

I don't know if it would apply in the Big Ten but I'd wonder if South Carolina and Kentucky could ask for no permanent rivals at all? If everyone were paired up, South Carolina and Kentucky likely would be stuck with each other. Does anyone in Columbia really care about UK or see them as a must see game? In Lexington, do they care that much about SC? If they could choose someone they'd probably choose UGa but South Carolina would definitely be 3rd and probably 4th behind Alabama these days and maybe even 5th behind UT on Georgia's list of SEC's opponents. If I'm South Carolina, I might prefer to just not have UK as a rival. I'm sure Kentucky would want Tennessee as their #1. Tennessee would want 'Bama and probably would get them. They don't care about Vanderbilt but Vanderbilt wants them. UT can certainly say they'd rather have UK than Vandy and the SEC office would probably accept it but then we're having the same conversation with South Carolina and Vanderbilt. Maybe Tennessee doesn't want to play either Kentucky or Vanderbilt and would rather just play Alabama every year and all three of South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky have no one who want them.
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(06-08-2023 10:32 AM)schmolik Wrote:  If the Big Ten decides on "flex" rivals instead of 3-6-6, it could open the door for the SEC to give some teams to have more rivals than others and allow more rivalries like Texas-Texas A&M, Alabama-Tennessee, and Georgia-Auburn to remain while some schools could just have just one.

I don't know if it would apply in the Big Ten but I'd wonder if South Carolina and Kentucky could ask for no permanent rivals at all? If everyone were paired up, South Carolina and Kentucky likely would be stuck with each other. Does anyone in Columbia really care about UK or see them as a must see game? In Lexington, do they care that much about SC? If they could choose someone they'd probably choose UGa but South Carolina would definitely be 3rd and probably 4th behind Alabama these days and maybe even 5th behind UT on Georgia's list of SEC's opponents. If I'm South Carolina, I might prefer to just not have UK as a rival. I'm sure Kentucky would want Tennessee as their #1. Tennessee would want 'Bama and probably would get them. They don't care about Vanderbilt but Vanderbilt wants them. UT can certainly say they'd rather have UK than Vandy and the SEC office would probably accept it but then we're having the same conversation with South Carolina and Vanderbilt. Maybe Tennessee doesn't want to play either Kentucky or Vanderbilt and would rather just play Alabama every year and all three of South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky have no one who want them.

IMO the flex format is handicapped if many of the teams want 3 rivals. If they are capped at 2 it should work. Once you allow 3 (effectively removing a team from flex), the important schools will all pick their 3. If Kentucky and South Carolina are the only two with a flex spot… they’ll always be paired.

Of course I’m still holding out hope they relax the “visit every 4 years” formula.
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(06-08-2023 11:24 AM)Crayton Wrote:  Of course I’m still holding out hope they relax the “visit every 4 years” formula.

The SEC only has these choices.

1) Relax the visit every 4 years formula.
2) No school can play more than one permanent rival.
3) Go to 9 conference games.

We know #3's not happening.
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RE: SEC going 16 Teams, 8 Conference Games, No Divisions, for 2024
(06-08-2023 11:24 AM)Crayton Wrote:  
(06-08-2023 10:32 AM)schmolik Wrote:  If the Big Ten decides on "flex" rivals instead of 3-6-6, it could open the door for the SEC to give some teams to have more rivals than others and allow more rivalries like Texas-Texas A&M, Alabama-Tennessee, and Georgia-Auburn to remain while some schools could just have just one.

I don't know if it would apply in the Big Ten but I'd wonder if South Carolina and Kentucky could ask for no permanent rivals at all? If everyone were paired up, South Carolina and Kentucky likely would be stuck with each other. Does anyone in Columbia really care about UK or see them as a must see game? In Lexington, do they care that much about SC? If they could choose someone they'd probably choose UGa but South Carolina would definitely be 3rd and probably 4th behind Alabama these days and maybe even 5th behind UT on Georgia's list of SEC's opponents. If I'm South Carolina, I might prefer to just not have UK as a rival. I'm sure Kentucky would want Tennessee as their #1. Tennessee would want 'Bama and probably would get them. They don't care about Vanderbilt but Vanderbilt wants them. UT can certainly say they'd rather have UK than Vandy and the SEC office would probably accept it but then we're having the same conversation with South Carolina and Vanderbilt. Maybe Tennessee doesn't want to play either Kentucky or Vanderbilt and would rather just play Alabama every year and all three of South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky have no one who want them.

IMO the flex format is handicapped if many of the teams want 3 rivals. If they are capped at 2 it should work. Once you allow 3 (effectively removing a team from flex), the important schools will all pick their 3. If Kentucky and South Carolina are the only two with a flex spot… they’ll always be paired.

Of course I’m still holding out hope they relax the “visit every 4 years” formula.

This has been my proposal due to the large number of SEC rivalries. It's the 3-6/6 format, but modified so that teams can play 2 teams annual and 2 teams 3 out of 4 years or 1 team annually and 4 teams 3 out of 4 years in a 9 conference game format. If a team wants to play all 4-5 teams annually or some of the team, it would only cost them 1 non-conference slot for each season done. If teams only want 3 rivals annually or 0 annually rivalries and play 6 teams 3 of 4 years, that is certainly an option that can be flexed.

3-6/6 (Hybrid)
Alabama
Auburn, Tennessee, LSU/Mississippi St.
- Auburn and Tennessee: 4 of 4 Years
- LSU and Mississippi St.: 3 of 4 Years

Arkansas
Texas A&M, LSU/Ole Miss, Oklahoma/Texas
- Texas A&M: 4 of 4 Years
- LSU, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, and Texas: 3 of 4 Years

Auburn
Alabama, Georgia, Florida/Mississippi St.
- Alabama and Georgia: 4 of 4 Years
- Florida and Mississippi St.: 3 of 4 Years

Florida
Georgia, South Carolina/Tennessee, Auburn/Kentucky
- Georgia: 4 of 4 Years
- Auburn, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Tennessee: 3 of 4 Years

Georgia
Auburn, Florida, South Carolina/Tennessee
- Auburn and Florida: 4 of 4 Years
- South Carolina and Tennessee: 3 of 4 Years

Kentucky
Vanderbilt, Missouri/Tennessee, Florida/Mississippi St.
- Vanderbilt: 4 of 4 Years
- Florida, Missouri, Mississippi St., and Tennessee: 3 of 4 Years

LSU
Ole Miss, Arkansas/Mississippi St., Alabama/Texas A&M
- Ole Miss: 4 of 4 Years
- Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi St., and Texas A&M: 3 of 4 Years

Mississippi St.
Ole Miss, Kentucky/LSU, Alabama/Auburn
- Ole Miss: 4 of 4 Years
- Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, and LSU: 3 of 4 Years

Missouri
Oklahoma, South Carolina, Kentucky/Texas
- Oklahoma and South Carolina: 4 of 4 Years
- Kentucky and Texas: 3 of 4 Years

Oklahoma
Missouri, Texas, Arkansas/Texas A&M
- Missouri and Texas: 4 of 4 Years
- Arkansas and Texas A&M: 3 of 4 Years

Ole Miss
LSU, Mississippi St., Arkansas/Vanderbilt
- LSU and Mississippi St.: 4 of 4 Years
- Arkansas and Vanderbilt: 3 of 4 Years

South Carolina
Missouri, Vanderbilt, Florida/Georgia
- Missouri and Vanderbilt: 4 of 4 Years
- Florida and Georgia: 3 of 4 Years

Tennessee
Alabama, Kentucky/Vanderbilt, Florida/Georgia
- Alabama: 4 of 4 Years
- Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt: 3 of 4 Years

Texas
Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas/Missouri
- Oklahoma and Texas A&M: 4 of 4 Years
- Arkansas and Missouri: 3 of 4 Years

Texas A&M
Arkansas, Texas, LSU/Oklahoma
- Arkansas and Texas: 4 of 4 Years
- LSU and Oklahoma: 3 of 4 Years

Vanderbilt
Kentucky, South Carolina, Ole Miss/Tennessee
- Kentucky and South Carolina: 4 of 4 Years
- Ole Miss and Tennessee: 3 of 4 Years

Now if the 4 year rotation were willing to be pushed to 5 years in a 9 game schedule, a team could play 5 rivals annually and rotating 4 games would be the next best approach and maybe modifing that can be done (haven't attempted it yet).
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(06-01-2023 05:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I've said all along that unless ESPN is willing to pony up more $$$, the SEC should not move to 9 games.

9 conference games is a foolish choice. Because with 4 non-conference games you can schedule an FCS team, 2 lower-tier G5 teams, then one P5 team. And you already start the season 3-1 or 4-0. And or teams like Missouri you basically only need to win 2-4 conference games a year to be a successful program.
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(06-01-2023 05:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I've said all along that unless ESPN is willing to pony up more $$$, the SEC should not move to 9 games.

9 conference games is a foolish choice. Because with 4 non-conference games you can schedule an FCS team, 2 lower-tier G5 teams, then one P5 team. And you already start the season 3-1 or 4-0. And or teams like Missouri you basically only need to win 2-4 conference games a year to be a successful program.

You consider 6-6 a successful program?
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Well the Big Ten just set the precedent, schools can have no permanent rivals at all.

The SEC can schedule everyone for 2024 and 2025 and make sure everyone plays every other team once in the two years but with an 8 game schedule every team would only play one opponent both years. It doesn't have to be the same team come 2026 and 2027. So Tennessee can be scheduled for Vanderbilt in 2024/2025 and then Kentucky in 2026/2027 while both schools would be guaranteed to play UT once in the two years they aren't paired with them. This would keep both Kentucky and Vanderbilt happy.
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(06-08-2023 04:20 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Well the Big Ten just set the precedent, schools can have no permanent rivals at all.

The SEC can schedule everyone for 2024 and 2025 and make sure everyone plays every other team once in the two years but with an 8 game schedule every team would only play one opponent both years. It doesn't have to be the same team come 2026 and 2027. So Tennessee can be scheduled for Vanderbilt in 2024/2025 and then Kentucky in 2026/2027 while both schools would be guaranteed to play UT once in the two years they aren't paired with them. This would keep both Kentucky and Vanderbilt happy.

One wrench in this solution is: who do Vanderbilt and Tennessee close the season against in 2026/2027? I suppose Texas and Oklahoma won't play their annual rivalry that week either.

If Year 3 approaches with 8 games still on the schedule, they gotta drop that every other year shtick.
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