(06-17-2023 08:30 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 06:51 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 05:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:34 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:19 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Looking like SDSU to the PAC.

underwhelming...35,000 seat stadium, and they're like last in their city to get coverage, behind the Chargers&Padres.
They'd be page 10 news in a 11 page newspaper.

But it's the 28th largest DMA in the nation. It adds over 1M TVs to future contract negotiations.

QUICK STATS FOR SAN DIEGO DMA
MARKET NAME: SAN DIEGO
TV HOMES: 1,065,700
% OF US: 0.93%
RANK: 28
STATE: CA

ok so it is a nice market.
That market does not care about Aztec football. So it really doesn't add anything of value.
Their stadium has been open for a year, and still hasn't had a sellout yet...they did come close in their first game tho. 34,046

It's one thing to be in a market and yet another to own or penetrate that market.

But to be fair even without USCLA, SDSU will be seeing a major schedule upgrade which should substantially increase attendance.

(06-17-2023 09:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:30 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 06:51 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 05:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:34 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  underwhelming...35,000 seat stadium, and they're like last in their city to get coverage, behind the Chargers&Padres.
They'd be page 10 news in a 11 page newspaper.

But it's the 28th largest DMA in the nation. It adds over 1M TVs to future contract negotiations.

QUICK STATS FOR SAN DIEGO DMA
MARKET NAME: SAN DIEGO
TV HOMES: 1,065,700
% OF US: 0.93%
RANK: 28
STATE: CA

ok so it is a nice market.
That market does not care about Aztec football. So it really doesn't add anything of value.
Their stadium has been open for a year, and still hasn't had a sellout yet...they did come close in their first game tho. 34,046

It's one thing to be in a market and yet another to own or penetrate that market.

But to be fair even without USCLA, SDSU will be seeing a major schedule upgrade which should substantially increase attendance.

No doubts at all about attendance increase. I just wonder if the addition of SDSU will move the needle in that market. The PAC still owns the sexiest California college brands not named USC or UCLA. It's not like we are talking about moving into foreign territory. I don't know. Just my 2 cents. This conference change nonsense, the NIL crap, and the ever-increasing injection of politics into an entertainment product is helping me discover other forms of entertainment.

(06-17-2023 02:46 AM)Keeper Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 06:51 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 05:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:34 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:19 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Looking like SDSU to the PAC.

underwhelming...35,000 seat stadium, and they're like last in their city to get coverage, behind the Chargers&Padres.
They'd be page 10 news in a 11 page newspaper.

But it's the 28th largest DMA in the nation. It adds over 1M TVs to future contract negotiations.

QUICK STATS FOR SAN DIEGO DMA
MARKET NAME: SAN DIEGO
TV HOMES: 1,065,700
% OF US: 0.93%
RANK: 28
STATE: CA

ok so it is a nice market.
That market does not care about Aztec football. So it really doesn't add anything of value.
Their stadium has been open for a year, and still hasn't had a sellout yet...they did come close in their first game tho. 34,046

sdsu joining pac will help them like memphis joining the sec. Interest in sdsu games would explode.

it might, but the upcoming PAC without UCLA or USC is greatly diminished. They still have Utah, Oregon, Washington, and Oregon State (for now)...Cal is down, Stanford is down, Arizona and Arizona State are down, Colorado is down, etc.
No one in that group with the exception of maybe Oregon could make a run at a playoff slot.

(06-16-2023 09:22 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 06:51 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 05:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:34 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:19 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Looking like SDSU to the PAC.

underwhelming...35,000 seat stadium, and they're like last in their city to get coverage, behind the Chargers&Padres.
They'd be page 10 news in a 11 page newspaper.

But it's the 28th largest DMA in the nation. It adds over 1M TVs to future contract negotiations.

QUICK STATS FOR SAN DIEGO DMA
MARKET NAME: SAN DIEGO
TV HOMES: 1,065,700
% OF US: 0.93%
RANK: 28
STATE: CA

ok so it is a nice market.
That market does not care about Aztec football. So it really doesn't add anything of value.
Their stadium has been open for a year, and still hasn't had a sellout yet...they did come close in their first game tho. 34,046

How much the market cares doesn’t mean squat as evidenced by….

Rutgers playing in the b10
UCF and houston playing in the b12

Orlando TV Market
MARKET NAME: ORLANDO-DAYTONA BEACH-MELBOURNE
TV HOMES: 1,519,570
% OF US: 1.42%
RANK: 18
STATE: FL

Houston TV Market
MARKET NAME: HOUSTON
TV HOMES: 2,450,800
% OF US: 2.14%
RANK: 8
STATE: TX

Cincy TV Market
MARKET NAME: CINCINNATI
TV HOMES: 863,800
% OF US: 0.75%
RANK: 36
STATE: IN, KY, OH

Rutgers sits in 2 DMAs...

MARKET NAME: NEW YORK
TV HOMES: 7,348,620
% OF US: 6.41%
RANK: 1
STATE: NJ

MARKET NAME: PHILADELPHIA
TV HOMES: 2,942,800
% OF US: 2.57%
RANK: 4
STATE: NJ


DMA Map (pdf)

Orlando',s market runs all the way to Daytona?

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(06-18-2023 10:25 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Orlando',s market runs all the way to Daytona?

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These tv markets are ridiculous. I consider Orlando to be far from everything, especially since there is no ocean.

(06-18-2023 11:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 10:25 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Orlando',s market runs all the way to Daytona?

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These tv markets are ridiculous. I consider Orlando to be far from everything, especially since there is no ocean.

That's what puzzles me about DMAs... who created them and based on what criteria? How long ago?

Just looking at Jackson TN TV stations (link), they get stations from:

• Jackson - WBBJ (ABC, CBS), WJKT (FOX), WNBJ (NBC, CW), WANF/WMC (NBC)
• Lexington - WLJT (PBS)
• Holly Springs - WBUY (TBN)
• Memphis - WATN (ABC), WMC (NBC), WREG (CBS), WKNO (PBS), WLMT (CW), WPXX (ION), WHBQ (FOX)
  

Jackson gets more stations from Memphis than from the other 3 locations combined.

And technically, Holly Springs is in the Memphis metro.


And here's Jonesboro, AR stations...

• Jonesboro - KTEJ (PBS), KAIT (ABC, NBC, CW), KJNB (FOX, CBS),
  Poplar Bluff - KPOB (ABC, ION)
  Memphis - WATN (ABC), WMC (NBC), WREG (CBS), WKNO (PBS), WLMT (CW), WPXX (ION), WHBQ (FOX), WDNM (Daystar)
  Holly Springs - WBUY (TBN)
  
  Again, more stations from Memphis.
  
  So why are Jonesboro and Jackson separate DMAs?
  
  183. Jonesboro DMA - 6 counties - 86,410
  171. Jackson DMA - 6 counties - 103,540
  52. Memphis DMA - 28 counties - 644,360
  41. Combined DMA -834,310
  
  Being in the Top 50 is better than being outside the Top 50
  
  40. Las Vegas - 870,240
  41. Memphis - 834,310
  42. Jacksonville - 790,580
  
  
  
  Current DMA Rankings
  40 Las Vegas
  41 Jacksonville
  42 Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek
  43 Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York
  44 Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News
  45 Birmingham-Anniston-Tuscaloosa
  46 Oklahoma City
  47 Greensboro-High Point-Winston Salem
  48 Louisville
  49 Albuquerque-Santa Fe
  50 New Orleans
  51 Providence-New Bedford
  52 Memphis

Here is a short description from Nielsen about how DMA are determined.

https://www.nielsen.com/dma-regions/

Quote:DMA (Designated Market Area) regions are the geographic areas in the U.S. in which local television viewing is measured by Nielsen. DMA data is essential for any marketer, researcher or organization seeking to use standardized geographic areas within their business.

A DMA region is a group of counties and zip codes that form an exclusive geographic area in which the home market television stations hold a dominance of total hours viewed. There are 210 DMA regions, covering the entire continental U.S., Hawaii, and parts of Alaska. DMA boundaries and data are solely owned and exclusive to Nielsen. Any use and or reproduction of these materials without the express written consent of Nielsen is strictly prohibited.

I wonder how Disney World factors into Orlando, with so many people coming in from all over. The parks average around 160k people per day. Of course they arent watching tv at the park, but at the end of the day when they go back to where they are staying I am sure there is some tv watching.

(06-18-2023 03:54 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I wonder how Disney World factors into Orlando, with so many people coming in from all over. The parks average around 160k people per day. Of course they arent watching tv at the park, but at the end of the day when they go back to where they are staying I am sure there is some tv watching.

telemundo

(06-17-2023 08:30 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 06:51 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 05:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:34 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:19 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Looking like SDSU to the PAC.

underwhelming...35,000 seat stadium, and they're like last in their city to get coverage, behind the Chargers&Padres.
They'd be page 10 news in a 11 page newspaper.

But it's the 28th largest DMA in the nation. It adds over 1M TVs to future contract negotiations.

QUICK STATS FOR SAN DIEGO DMA
MARKET NAME: SAN DIEGO
TV HOMES: 1,065,700
% OF US: 0.93%
RANK: 28
STATE: CA

ok so it is a nice market.
That market does not care about Aztec football. So it really doesn't add anything of value.
Their stadium has been open for a year, and still hasn't had a sellout yet...they did come close in their first game tho. 34,046

It's one thing to be in a market and yet another to own or penetrate that market.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. You nailed it eloquently and a lot better than I ever could.
Thank you.

(06-17-2023 09:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:30 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 06:51 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 05:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:34 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  underwhelming...35,000 seat stadium, and they're like last in their city to get coverage, behind the Chargers&Padres.
They'd be page 10 news in a 11 page newspaper.

But it's the 28th largest DMA in the nation. It adds over 1M TVs to future contract negotiations.

QUICK STATS FOR SAN DIEGO DMA
MARKET NAME: SAN DIEGO
TV HOMES: 1,065,700
% OF US: 0.93%
RANK: 28
STATE: CA

ok so it is a nice market.
That market does not care about Aztec football. So it really doesn't add anything of value.
Their stadium has been open for a year, and still hasn't had a sellout yet...they did come close in their first game tho. 34,046

It's one thing to be in a market and yet another to own or penetrate that market.

But to be fair even without USCLA, SDSU will be seeing a major schedule upgrade which should substantially increase attendance.

dude, its a 35,000 seat stadium.
They'd have to add 10-15,000 seats for it to be substantial.

(06-18-2023 05:49 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 09:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:30 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 06:51 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 05:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  But it's the 28th largest DMA in the nation. It adds over 1M TVs to future contract negotiations.

QUICK STATS FOR SAN DIEGO DMA
MARKET NAME: SAN DIEGO
TV HOMES: 1,065,700
% OF US: 0.93%
RANK: 28
STATE: CA

ok so it is a nice market.
That market does not care about Aztec football. So it really doesn't add anything of value.
Their stadium has been open for a year, and still hasn't had a sellout yet...they did come close in their first game tho. 34,046

It's one thing to be in a market and yet another to own or penetrate that market.

But to be fair even without USCLA, SDSU will be seeing a major schedule upgrade which should substantially increase attendance.

dude, its a 35,000 seat stadium.
They'd have to add 10-15,000 seats for it to be substantial.

And they likely will, dude. A lot easier with a PAC schedule & 3-4x their current pay.

(06-18-2023 12:40 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 11:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 10:25 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Orlando',s market runs all the way to Daytona?

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These tv markets are ridiculous. I consider Orlando to be far from everything, especially since there is no ocean.

That's what puzzles me about DMAs... who created them and based on what criteria? How long ago?

Just looking at Jackson TN TV stations (link), they get stations from:

• Jackson - WBBJ (ABC, CBS), WJKT (FOX), WNBJ (NBC, CW), WANF/WMC (NBC)
• Lexington - WLJT (PBS)
• Holly Springs - WBUY (TBN)
• Memphis - WATN (ABC), WMC (NBC), WREG (CBS), WKNO (PBS), WLMT (CW), WPXX (ION), WHBQ (FOX)
  

Jackson gets more stations from Memphis than from the other 3 locations combined.

And technically, Holly Springs is in the Memphis metro.


And here's Jonesboro, AR stations...

• Jonesboro - KTEJ (PBS), KAIT (ABC, NBC, CW), KJNB (FOX, CBS),
  Poplar Bluff - KPOB (ABC, ION)
  Memphis - WATN (ABC), WMC (NBC), WREG (CBS), WKNO (PBS), WLMT (CW), WPXX (ION), WHBQ (FOX), WDNM (Daystar)
  Holly Springs - WBUY (TBN)
  
  Again, more stations from Memphis.
  
  So why are Jonesboro and Jackson separate DMAs?
  
  183. Jonesboro DMA - 6 counties - 86,410
  171. Jackson DMA - 6 counties - 103,540
  52. Memphis DMA - 28 counties - 644,360
  41. Combined DMA -834,310
  
  Being in the Top 50 is better than being outside the Top 50
  
  40. Las Vegas - 870,240
  41. Memphis - 834,310
  42. Jacksonville - 790,580
  
  
  
  Current DMA Rankings
  40 Las Vegas
  41 Jacksonville
  42 Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek
  43 Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York
  44 Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News
  45 Birmingham-Anniston-Tuscaloosa
  46 Oklahoma City
  47 Greensboro-High Point-Winston Salem
  48 Louisville
  49 Albuquerque-Santa Fe
  50 New Orleans
  51 Providence-New Bedford
  52 Memphis

Here’s something nobody has yet mentioned. What’s the disposable income situation in those cities compared to Memphis ?

(06-18-2023 05:45 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:30 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 06:51 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 05:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:34 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  underwhelming...35,000 seat stadium, and they're like last in their city to get coverage, behind the Chargers&Padres.
They'd be page 10 news in a 11 page newspaper.

But it's the 28th largest DMA in the nation. It adds over 1M TVs to future contract negotiations.

QUICK STATS FOR SAN DIEGO DMA
MARKET NAME: SAN DIEGO
TV HOMES: 1,065,700
% OF US: 0.93%
RANK: 28
STATE: CA

ok so it is a nice market.
That market does not care about Aztec football. So it really doesn't add anything of value.
Their stadium has been open for a year, and still hasn't had a sellout yet...they did come close in their first game tho. 34,046

It's one thing to be in a market and yet another to own or penetrate that market.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. You nailed it eloquently and a lot better than I ever could.
Thank you.

That's a testament to what a great place to live San Diego is. The weather is perfect. The beaches are great. San Diegans are living life to the fullest everyday and not as concerned with sports or watching TV.

I refer to it as the "Friday Night Lights" syndrome. Those in small/poor towns often wear it as a badge of honor how much the community cares about a local team. But it's often because their real lives are such a struggle, they need something to be proud of.

yea, if I lived in San Diego, doubt I'd be watching much TV either.

(06-18-2023 12:25 AM)eltigre Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 09:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:30 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 06:51 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 05:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  But it's the 28th largest DMA in the nation. It adds over 1M TVs to future contract negotiations.

QUICK STATS FOR SAN DIEGO DMA
MARKET NAME: SAN DIEGO
TV HOMES: 1,065,700
% OF US: 0.93%
RANK: 28
STATE: CA

ok so it is a nice market.
That market does not care about Aztec football. So it really doesn't add anything of value.
Their stadium has been open for a year, and still hasn't had a sellout yet...they did come close in their first game tho. 34,046

It's one thing to be in a market and yet another to own or penetrate that market.

But to be fair even without USCLA, SDSU will be seeing a major schedule upgrade which should substantially increase attendance.

No doubts at all about attendance increase. I just wonder if the addition of SDSU will move the needle in that market. The PAC still owns the sexiest California college brands not named USC or UCLA. It's not like we are talking about moving into foreign territory. I don't know. Just my 2 cents. This conference change nonsense, the NIL crap, and the ever-increasing injection of politics into an entertainment product is helping me discover other forms of entertainment.

I think the potential is there. If looking for markets that can grow the PAC
brand, San Diego makes a lot of sense. Especially after losing their presence in LA.

(06-18-2023 11:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 10:25 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Orlando',s market runs all the way to Daytona?

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These tv markets are ridiculous. I consider Orlando to be far from everything, especially since there is no ocean.

Pretty much how I felt when living there.

i found san diego to be cold, especially at night

(06-19-2023 10:37 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  i found san diego to be cold, especially at night

I have a friend that lives in Escondido just north of San Diego and they went over 3 years without rain just before the pandemic. There was a big time water shortage and they only flushed the toilet for turds. But at least he didn't have to mow his lawn.