(05-30-2023 02:20 PM)krux Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 01:12 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 10:28 AM)krux Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 07:36 PM)krux Wrote:  I can't remember at the moment but there was an ESPN writer last week that said the ACCs contract is pro rata and they could add G5 schools even.

Edit: Former ESPN I guess. Brett McMurphy https://csnbbs.com/thread-970507.html

I do think the additional markets added with expansion would also provide the financial incentive. The ACC just need 1 team in the market to get the entire state coverage-wise. With the divisonless format they could really add even more.

The Big 12 having a shorter GOR would be a negative in this scenario. The only negative I see is it could show the blueprint for breaking GORs and ultimately speed up FSU/Clemson's exit.

So, just because some reporter said something we should just believe that it's true? Have we learned nothing?

We talk about some ACC schools "doing research" to find out what is in the contracts they previously signed. If their lawyers were incompetent enough to have approved those contracts before, what makes us think they are competent now to interpret them?

Maybe the simple answer to the question posed in the OP is that Big 12 members believe they are in the better conference for them and wouldn't want to go to a conference that can't seem to get its act together and appears about to break up.

See this makes me believe some of you guys are just anti-ACC. One reporter is enough to seal the demise of the conference but not enough to report contract details. The ACC GOR is going to fail but the Big 12s won't. The ACC has lost 1 member in the last 30 years, the Big 12 has lost 4 but somehow they're more stable. The ACC has bigger markets and a network but again the Big 12 is more desirable somehow. It's more likely 8 ACC schools will dissolve the ACC than 5 Big 12 schools dissolving that league.

The thing is, I agree with all the roadblocks people have for this route but I fail to understand why the Big 12 is afforded those platitudes and the ACC isn't. How is rumor more accepted as fact than fact?

Your school would sign up for the SEC in a nanosecond if an offer was made. And I'm guessing you'd be pretty okay with it. And it's nothing personal against the ACC. You'd wish them all the best!

Sure but that's not the point. Somehow this board goes wild with ways to kill the ACC yet when those same chinks in the armor are pointed out for the Big 12 suddenly they're not valid. They're seen as being in a position of power and I'm not sure why. Perhaps there's just more B12 fans on this board?

I think most of the Big 12 raiding ACC talk is after an assumed SEC/B1G raid takes away the heaviest ACC hitters which would change the value proposition but obviously can't speak for everyone on here.

An ACC without FSU, Clemson, Miami, and possibly UNC or VT is in a dramatically different negotiating spot.

(05-29-2023 07:51 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 07:36 PM)krux Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 07:32 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  First, I'm not aware of any pro-rata clause in the ACC contract.

So, why doesn't the ACC add schools?:

A) ESPN doesn't have to pay a red cent for any new schools, so...
B) New schools just mean less money for the old schools

Why won't XII teams leave?
A) Grant of rights
B) Exit fees.

So...no monetary incentive for the ACC to invite XII teams; no monetary incentive for XII teams to move

I can't remember at the moment but there was an ESPN writer last week that said the ACCs contract is pro rata and they could add G5 schools even.

Yep. It was definitely reported last week ... which certainly changes the calculations on whether or not to expand.

As far as Big XII availability --- their new TV deal is competitive with what the ACC pays out so the incentive to switch conferences isn't as desperate as what the PAC could be looking at. That may change as ESPN's 4.1% annual bump pushes the ACC ahead, and the maturing of the ACC Network with full carriage is already showing nice increases. But at least for right now, it doesn't make sense to move from the Big XII.

It makes no sense for ACC to B12, nor B12 to ACC. Money very close to = and buyouts way too big. Only way it may make sense is if there was a break up of the ACC.

The ACC missed the opportunity in 2021.

Phillips responded to the OUT news by 1) forming an alliance and 2) doubling down on ND.

The Alliance failed so badly that I don't want to talk more about it. As for ND, Phillips was hired at least partially to strengthen the relationship with ND. The relationship started to deteriorate since Phillips opposed the CFP expansion proposed by Swarbrick and others. Nobody talks about ND joining the ACC anymore and Swarbrick didn't even attend the ACC Spring meeting.

I'm telling you. Phillips is worse than Swofford.

Having said that, I don't think the media money would keep rolling, especially for non P2 conferences. If the next B12 media deal (2030 and thereafter) falls well short of the ACC media deal, the ACC will be able to poach eastern B12 schools such as WVU and Cincy if the ACC desires to do so.