Yeah, two meetings looking for a school treasurer, which is an executive position, is a "placeholder" despite such a move being illegal.

If they need a meeting it will be a 30 minute confirm if everyone agrees with the direction and go under the label of generic "athletic department issues." Any real work will be by Zoom or Skype by working groups, not a full quorum, and every member will be rotated in and out of working groups to keep in the loop, or otherwise informed offline. Direct contact will be by lawyers of each side, not actual board members. There won't be any crumbs available until a final vote, if it gets that far.

Fluguar is playing you for idiot if you buy his bait and switch meeting theory.

That said, Mrchant's comments on John Kurtz's podcast today (I watched on YouTube, "Pac 12 TV Options Shrinking Fast") were more informative. He said he's talked to Fox and ESPN and Amazon executives and they are out. He also says that USA is not in it. The only ones he said may be in play are Apple who would want everything, and CW. It doesn't look good.

The basic gist is there is only so much money, and ESPN and Fox already spent their budgets on the SEC, B1G and Big 12 already. They would only be interested in the Pac-12 at a huge value deal, which means cheap. They don't have money to throw around anymore. Yormack understood that and acted, looks like a genius doing that and putting an emphasis on Basketball to counter the SEC and B1G somewhat. Any deal with Fox or ESPN is probably a bad thing for the Pac-12, because it means they are not getting much, it probably won't be enough to keep the Pac-12 together.

(05-26-2023 10:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Yeah, two meetings looking for a school treasurer, which is an executive position, is a "placeholder" despite such a move being illegal.

If they need a meeting it will be a 30 minute confirm if everyone agrees with the direction and go under the label of generic "athletic department issues." Any real work will be by Zoom or Skype by working groups, not a full quorum, and every member will be rotated in and out of working groups to keep in the loop, or otherwise informed offline. Direct contact will be by lawyers of each side, not actual board members. There won't be any crumbs available until a final vote, if it gets that far.

Fluguar is playing you for idiot if you buy his bait and switch meeting theory.

That said, Mrchant's comments on John Kurtz's podcast today (I watched on YouTube, "Pac 12 TV Options Shrinking Fast") were more informative. He said he's talked to Fox and ESPN and Amazon executives and they are out. He also says that USA is not in it. The only ones he said may be in play are Apple who would want everything, and CW. It doesn't look good.

The basic gist is there is only so much money, and ESPN and Fox already spent their budgets on the SEC, B1G and Big 12 already. They would only be interested in the Pac-12 at a huge value deal, which means cheap. They don't have money to throw around anymore. Yormack understood that and acted, looks like a genius doing that and putting an emphasis on Basketball to counter the SEC and B1G somewhat. Any deal with Fox or ESPN is probably a bad thing for the Pac-12, because it means they are not getting much, it probably won't be enough to keep the Pac-12 together.

You're clearly a Big 12 puppetmaster

(05-26-2023 10:03 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 09:57 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...for those not following the Flug deal, he now notes that Arizona AND Arizona State have 'special sessions' next week... ...the plot DEEPENS...

He also said UConn is in the theatre taking notes, Utah in the parking lot and UNLV standing behind them with a chain…

#cloakanddagger

yeah what were acts 1-10? What a boring play. Nothing has happened through 11 acts.

The off broadway show of WIU to the OVC and LeMoyne to the NEC was way more exciting.


Also you want a dose of reality go back to David's list of everyone at ESPN getting fired except Rutledge. So far he's praying for Kellerman to get canned so he can hit 1 out of 75.

Would they seriously consider UConn/Memphis over Utah? The pod setup obviously works, but that would be a huge mistake IMO. I’d go Memphis or USF though.

(05-26-2023 11:16 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 10:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Yeah, two meetings looking for a school treasurer, which is an executive position, is a "placeholder" despite such a move being illegal.

If they need a meeting it will be a 30 minute confirm if everyone agrees with the direction and go under the label of generic "athletic department issues." Any real work will be by Zoom or Skype by working groups, not a full quorum, and every member will be rotated in and out of working groups to keep in the loop, or otherwise informed offline. Direct contact will be by lawyers of each side, not actual board members. There won't be any crumbs available until a final vote, if it gets that far.

Fluguar is playing you for idiot if you buy his bait and switch meeting theory.

That said, Mrchant's comments on John Kurtz's podcast today (I watched on YouTube, "Pac 12 TV Options Shrinking Fast") were more informative. He said he's talked to Fox and ESPN and Amazon executives and they are out. He also says that USA is not in it. The only ones he said may be in play are Apple who would want everything, and CW. It doesn't look good.

The basic gist is there is only so much money, and ESPN and Fox already spent their budgets on the SEC, B1G and Big 12 already. They would only be interested in the Pac-12 at a huge value deal, which means cheap. They don't have money to throw around anymore. Yormack understood that and acted, looks like a genius doing that and putting an emphasis on Basketball to counter the SEC and B1G somewhat. Any deal with Fox or ESPN is probably a bad thing for the Pac-12, because it means they are not getting much, it probably won't be enough to keep the Pac-12 together.

You're clearly a Big 12 puppetmaster

Just paraphrasing Marchant in the last paragraph. Don't know if it's 100% accurate or not. But nobody is contradicting Marchant (except JRsec who believes Mickey Mouse will fund anything the SEC wants to do because their "trajectories are aligned") on the networks being out of money, or rather they hit their CFB budget limits. And despite my being more a Pac-12 guy, I'm a realist, there just doesn't look like there is enough money. That's not good for the Pac-12 staying together. Hoping for a miracle. If not I hope everyone lands OK.

It will cost ESPN MORE money per school finding all these schools homes in either the Big 12 or B1G. Is it possible the B1G doesn’t move on UO and UO if 4C leave? Maybe… but if not, you are looking at 120 million dollars to move the 4C and perhaps 100 million to move UO and UW to CBS/NBC/Fox. That’s over the projected per school PAC12 payout leaving out the other four schools all together. More than likely, ESPN will have to fund additional B1G expansion. It’s not going to come from just Comcast, unless Fox wants a late night B1G package as well.

(05-26-2023 10:40 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 10:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Fluegar knows nothing. Neither does Scheer. Scheer is pro-Big 12, none of the PAC 12 schools are.

Thanks for the input, good sir... ...a question - what about the Marchand and Ourand show? They seem to be pretty locked in, and to my knowledge, they arean't tied to any particular conference... thanks in advance for your reply!

They were debunked by a female reporter who have connections to people inside of Fox and ESPN. Their source is from the Big 12.

(05-26-2023 10:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Yeah, two meetings looking for a school treasurer, which is an executive position, is a "placeholder" despite such a move being illegal.

If they need a meeting it will be a 30 minute confirm if everyone agrees with the direction and go under the label of generic "athletic department issues." Any real work will be by Zoom or Skype by working groups, not a full quorum, and every member will be rotated in and out of working groups to keep in the loop, or otherwise informed offline. Direct contact will be by lawyers of each side, not actual board members. There won't be any crumbs available until a final vote, if it gets that far.

Fluguar is playing you for idiot if you buy his bait and switch meeting theory.

That said, Mrchant's comments on John Kurtz's podcast today (I watched on YouTube, "Pac 12 TV Options Shrinking Fast") were more informative. He said he's talked to Fox and ESPN and Amazon executives and they are out. He also says that USA is not in it. The only ones he said may be in play are Apple who would want everything, and CW. It doesn't look good.

The basic gist is there is only so much money, and ESPN and Fox already spent their budgets on the SEC, B1G and Big 12 already. They would only be interested in the Pac-12 at a huge value deal, which means cheap. They don't have money to throw around anymore. Yormack understood that and acted, looks like a genius doing that and putting an emphasis on Basketball to counter the SEC and B1G somewhat. Any deal with Fox or ESPN is probably a bad thing for the Pac-12, because it means they are not getting much, it probably won't be enough to keep the Pac-12 together.

Another reporter also have sources with Fox and ESPN, and they told her that they are still in. There is conflicting reports going on here.

What is the normal process for interviewing college treasurers vs. their boards making the final recommendation to their President? I would guess that a committee has already received/vetted/interviewed candidates, and forwarded their recommendation to CU's Board. Or is it possible that the Board must interview the final candidates too before their vote?

However, discussing the institution's pressing financial matters are naturally part of such a board meeting.

(05-26-2023 09:33 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 09:23 PM)Acres Wrote:  Two days to discuss the new treasurer. Looks like BIG money.

I think you may be right.

5 minutes - all that's necessary for a Treasurer if they stay in the pac
A couple hours max - if they go to big 12
2 days - B1G brings more money, which brings more headaches

They aren't hiring a Treasurer for the Athletics Department, they're hiring one for the university. Given that their annual budget is $2.1 billion, the difference in money earmarked for athletics is insignificant, no matter what conference they are in.

That being said, there is nothing about just hiring a Treasurer that would take up more than 30 minutes of Board time, if that much. That suggests that there are other financial concerns (bigger than athletics) that the Board needs to come to grips with.

(05-27-2023 08:08 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  What is the normal process for interviewing college treasurers vs. their boards making the final recommendation to their President? I would guess that a committee has already received/vetted/interviewed candidates, and forwarded their recommendation to CU's Board. Or is it possible that the Board must interview the final candidates too before their vote?

However, discussing the institution's pressing financial matters are naturally part of such a board meeting.

The treasurer reports to the regents.

The previous treasurer was hired in 2021. His predecessor has come back as the interim treasurer for 6 months. The previous treasurer is described as "no longer with CU". CU lost $120 million in 2022 as a result of not capturing 2021 gains.

Maybe they need to increase their athletics income.

The length of the meetings suggest they are interviewing several finalists for treasurer.

They've got the regular June meeting to announce their move to the Big XII.

(05-27-2023 07:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 10:40 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 10:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Fluegar knows nothing. Neither does Scheer. Scheer is pro-Big 12, none of the PAC 12 schools are.

Thanks for the input, good sir... ...a question - what about the Marchand and Ourand show? They seem to be pretty locked in, and to my knowledge, they arean't tied to any particular conference... thanks in advance for your reply!

They were debunked by a female reporter who have connections to people inside of Fox and ESPN. Their source is from the Big 12.

...gotcha. There's no doubt that a lot of the 'cloak and dagger' is sourcing from BigXII territory...

Hopefully the PAC lands on its feet with a solid deal, then expands (I'd go with SDSU, Fresno, UNLV, and Boise - THEN (selfishly as a new AAC member) the 'remnants' of the MWC will merge with the AAC to form the first 'G5' superconference)... There's always something intriguing about 'change', hence why we all hit this forum - but ultimately I am a fan of keeping things at least 'loosely' regional (the AAC-MWC superconference being the glaring exception... honestly, the AAC and the SBC SHOULD merge, but that might be less realistic than an AAC/MWC deal...)

As a Quack fan (my #3 behind UAB and Aubie) I like having UO in that region so the '4th window' games remain 'PAC-centric'... REALITY is, tho, IF the B1G ever comes a calling, UO and Udub will no doubt bolt for the bread... the only advantage there (for me) is that I might get to see UO play somewhere a bit closer (although The 'Ham is definitely not in B1G Country, unless they decide to nab Ga. Tech and/or FSU)...

(05-27-2023 05:50 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  It will cost ESPN MORE money per school finding all these schools homes in either the Big 12 or B1G. Is it possible the B1G doesn’t move on UO and UO if 4C leave? Maybe… but if not, you are looking at 120 million dollars to move the 4C and perhaps 100 million to move UO and UW to CBS/NBC/Fox. That’s over the projected per school PAC12 payout leaving out the other four schools all together. More than likely, ESPN will have to fund additional B1G expansion. It’s not going to come from just Comcast, unless Fox wants a late night B1G package as well.

ESPN owes nothing to any schools moving going to the B1G. That would be entirely on Fox and other B1G partners NBC and CBS to cover. Frankly I think it'll be hard for them to justify the money for adding more than two schools, and at a discount at that (even at 50% we are still talking about close to $40M per school to start.) Remember, $80M per year is $560M over the life of the contract. Adding 4 schools is $1B, which starts to look like real money.

The rate is only $20.44M, as ESPN is only responsible for 2/3rds of the Big 12 contract. Any additional money will have to be negotiated from Fox, who cover the other $10.22M schools receive in 1st/2nd tier media rights. (*) I imagine it'll be a non-zero number Fox agrees to pay for the additions, as they will add some valuable games. (The 3rd tier is not even covered and will be interesting to see what they do with that, as the old ESPN+ deal for a bit under $2M per school runs out in 2025. Certainly, any joining Pac-12 schools will likely have an option to join the collective for any group deal.)

(*) The figure is a per year average over the life of the contract. In reality it is on an escalator of 3% to 5% increase per year, so likely starts maybe $3-4M less than that per year average initially and finishes $3-4M above that at end of the contract. It's just easier to visualize as the middle year of the contract for every year.

If four schools move to the Big 12 from the Pac-12, the ESPN would be on the hook for $82M but can easily justify that as below the price to buy the after dark slot, that these schools would help fill being in the Big 12, from the Pac-12, which is rumored to be a bit over $90M (what they bid). They'd actually gain slightly in content with the move, since they'd get some men's basketball rights (Pac-12 schools, especially Arizona, will bolster that).

(05-26-2023 10:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Yeah, two meetings looking for a school treasurer, which is an executive position, is a "placeholder" despite such a move being illegal.

If they need a meeting it will be a 30 minute confirm if everyone agrees with the direction and go under the label of generic "athletic department issues." Any real work will be by Zoom or Skype by working groups, not a full quorum, and every member will be rotated in and out of working groups to keep in the loop, or otherwise informed offline. Direct contact will be by lawyers of each side, not actual board members. There won't be any crumbs available until a final vote, if it gets that far.

Fluguar is playing you for idiot if you buy his bait and switch meeting theory.

That said, Mrchant's comments on John Kurtz's podcast today (I watched on YouTube, "Pac 12 TV Options Shrinking Fast") were more informative. He said he's talked to Fox and ESPN and Amazon executives and they are out. He also says that USA is not in it. The only ones he said may be in play are Apple who would want everything, and CW. It doesn't look good.

The basic gist is there is only so much money, and ESPN and Fox already spent their budgets on the SEC, B1G and Big 12 already. They would only be interested in the Pac-12 at a huge value deal, which means cheap. They don't have money to throw around anymore. Yormack understood that and acted, looks like a genius doing that and putting an emphasis on Basketball to counter the SEC and B1G somewhat. Any deal with Fox or ESPN is probably a bad thing for the Pac-12, because it means they are not getting much, it probably won't be enough to keep the Pac-12 together.

Why is it illegal to hire a Treasurer?

(05-26-2023 10:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Yeah, two meetings looking for a school treasurer, which is an executive position, is a "placeholder" despite such a move being illegal.

If they need a meeting it will be a 30 minute confirm if everyone agrees with the direction and go under the label of generic "athletic department issues." Any real work will be by Zoom or Skype by working groups, not a full quorum, and every member will be rotated in and out of working groups to keep in the loop, or otherwise informed offline. Direct contact will be by lawyers of each side, not actual board members. There won't be any crumbs available until a final vote, if it gets that far.

Fluguar is playing you for idiot if you buy his bait and switch meeting theory.

That said, Mrchant's comments on John Kurtz's podcast today (I watched on YouTube, "Pac 12 TV Options Shrinking Fast") were more informative. He said he's talked to Fox and ESPN and Amazon executives and they are out. He also says that USA is not in it. The only ones he said may be in play are Apple who would want everything, and CW. It doesn't look good.

The basic gist is there is only so much money, and ESPN and Fox already spent their budgets on the SEC, B1G and Big 12 already. They would only be interested in the Pac-12 at a huge value deal, which means cheap. They don't have money to throw around anymore. Yormack understood that and acted, looks like a genius doing that and putting an emphasis on Basketball to counter the SEC and B1G somewhat. Any deal with Fox or ESPN is probably a bad thing for the Pac-12, because it means they are not getting much, it probably won't be enough to keep the Pac-12 together.

This actually corroborate with Jim William’s tweet. Apple plus CW is the best offer at this point.

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(05-27-2023 01:54 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 10:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Yeah, two meetings looking for a school treasurer, which is an executive position, is a "placeholder" despite such a move being illegal.

Why is it illegal to hire a Treasurer?

It's not.

What would be illegal would be to falsely label a session as for hiring a treasurer and instead use it for business not posted, such as conference realignment. That would violate opening meeting laws.

That is what I was calling out Fluguar for inferring.

(05-27-2023 11:20 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(05-27-2023 08:08 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  What is the normal process for interviewing college treasurers vs. their boards making the final recommendation to their President? I would guess that a committee has already received/vetted/interviewed candidates, and forwarded their recommendation to CU's Board. Or is it possible that the Board must interview the final candidates too before their vote?

However, discussing the institution's pressing financial matters are naturally part of such a board meeting.

The treasurer reports to the regents.

The previous treasurer was hired in 2021. His predecessor has come back as the interim treasurer for 6 months. The previous treasurer is described as "no longer with CU". CU lost $120 million in 2022 as a result of not capturing 2021 gains.

Maybe they need to increase their athletics income.

The length of the meetings suggest they are interviewing several finalists for treasurer.

They've got the regular June meeting to announce their move to the Big XII.

CU's board has meetings all the time. They've had meetings to discuss athletics matters. They don't need to cover up and pretend its about the treasurer. This really is about the treasurer.

(05-27-2023 03:09 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 10:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Yeah, two meetings looking for a school treasurer, which is an executive position, is a "placeholder" despite such a move being illegal.

If they need a meeting it will be a 30 minute confirm if everyone agrees with the direction and go under the label of generic "athletic department issues." Any real work will be by Zoom or Skype by working groups, not a full quorum, and every member will be rotated in and out of working groups to keep in the loop, or otherwise informed offline. Direct contact will be by lawyers of each side, not actual board members. There won't be any crumbs available until a final vote, if it gets that far.

Fluguar is playing you for idiot if you buy his bait and switch meeting theory.

That said, Mrchant's comments on John Kurtz's podcast today (I watched on YouTube, "Pac 12 TV Options Shrinking Fast") were more informative. He said he's talked to Fox and ESPN and Amazon executives and they are out. He also says that USA is not in it. The only ones he said may be in play are Apple who would want everything, and CW. It doesn't look good.

The basic gist is there is only so much money, and ESPN and Fox already spent their budgets on the SEC, B1G and Big 12 already. They would only be interested in the Pac-12 at a huge value deal, which means cheap. They don't have money to throw around anymore. Yormack understood that and acted, looks like a genius doing that and putting an emphasis on Basketball to counter the SEC and B1G somewhat. Any deal with Fox or ESPN is probably a bad thing for the Pac-12, because it means they are not getting much, it probably won't be enough to keep the Pac-12 together.

This actually corroborate with Jim William’s tweet. Apple plus CW is the best offer at this point.

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I just won't repeat these non-sense rumors that are going around.

(05-28-2023 02:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-27-2023 03:09 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 10:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Yeah, two meetings looking for a school treasurer, which is an executive position, is a "placeholder" despite such a move being illegal.

If they need a meeting it will be a 30 minute confirm if everyone agrees with the direction and go under the label of generic "athletic department issues." Any real work will be by Zoom or Skype by working groups, not a full quorum, and every member will be rotated in and out of working groups to keep in the loop, or otherwise informed offline. Direct contact will be by lawyers of each side, not actual board members. There won't be any crumbs available until a final vote, if it gets that far.

Fluguar is playing you for idiot if you buy his bait and switch meeting theory.

That said, Mrchant's comments on John Kurtz's podcast today (I watched on YouTube, "Pac 12 TV Options Shrinking Fast") were more informative. He said he's talked to Fox and ESPN and Amazon executives and they are out. He also says that USA is not in it. The only ones he said may be in play are Apple who would want everything, and CW. It doesn't look good.

The basic gist is there is only so much money, and ESPN and Fox already spent their budgets on the SEC, B1G and Big 12 already. They would only be interested in the Pac-12 at a huge value deal, which means cheap. They don't have money to throw around anymore. Yormack understood that and acted, looks like a genius doing that and putting an emphasis on Basketball to counter the SEC and B1G somewhat. Any deal with Fox or ESPN is probably a bad thing for the Pac-12, because it means they are not getting much, it probably won't be enough to keep the Pac-12 together.

This actually corroborate with Jim William’s tweet. Apple plus CW is the best offer at this point.

I just won't repeat these non-sense rumors that are going around.
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You just did.

(05-26-2023 09:33 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 09:23 PM)Acres Wrote:  Two days to discuss the new treasurer. Looks like BIG money.

I think you may be right.

5 minutes - all that's necessary for a Treasurer if they stay in the pac
A couple hours max - if they go to big 12
2 days - B1G brings more money, which brings more headaches

FWIW, based on my real life experience attending scores of official public sector meetings, the agenda does not preclude discussion of other items at the meeting. However, I have never seen a matter of importance not listed before the meeting.

A caveat: my experience is not inclusive of the protocols for all meetings everywhere.