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Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
The Oklahoman columnist Berry Tramel is optimistic the Big 12 could "slice off a few members" from the Pac-12.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/c...252770007/
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
And he is an idiot as well. He was writing articles defending the Big 12 from getting poached some more, and now he is cheering for the same thing to happen to another conference? He is a hypocrite for such things. He should be rooting for the PAC 12 to stay together before the whole college sports completely collapse to being unhealthy for everybody.
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
Another big 12 propaganda piece.
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
(05-25-2023 12:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  And he is an idiot as well.

That's pretty rude, davidst.
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
(05-25-2023 12:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  And he is an idiot as well. He was writing articles defending the Big 12 from getting poached some more, and now he is cheering for the same thing to happen to another conference? He is a hypocrite for such things. He should be rooting for the PAC 12 to stay together before the whole college sports completely collapse to being unhealthy for everybody.

Perhaps he's just a good reporter and he follows the story? Some people still do that, rather than blindly attaching themselves to some blue field in Idaho like their very lives depend upon getting said school into the P5.

Some interesting tidbits from the article:

I researched the last two years of college football viewership. I compared apples to apple — same time slot, same network. I did not use the departing schools of either league (OU, Texas, UCLA, Southern Cal). There’s not a discernible difference between the conferences. Oregon appears to be the biggest draw among the Big 12 and Pac-12 combined; after that, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian and Baylor from the Big 12, and Utah and Washington from the Pac-12, are about the same. Brigham Young, which joins the Big 12 on July 1, probably will join that circle.

But the point is, the Big 12 did not have a bunch of viewership numbers to tout, at the Pac-12's expense. And still Yormark leapfrogged his league ahead of the Pac-12.


Here's a guy who who has zero reason to care about the big 12, and who was expecting the Pac to remain together, now changing his mind when new data comes to light. He wouldn't have reached this conclusion if the Pac had signed a deal in the past 9 months. Every day, it just gets worse and worse for the Pac.

edit: he didn't even use the CCG, which this past year pitted TCU against KSU, 2 off-brands in the current big 12, against Utah-USC in the Pac. You cannot compare any of those other 3 to USC, and Utah is a bigger brand in the Pac of today than TCU is in the old big 12. KSU is the Oregeon St of the big 12. Yet, if memory serves here, the big 12's off-brand CCG clobbered the Pac's on-brand CCG. The surprising thing to me is that this happened AFTER Yormark had already worked out the extension. You can bet that Fox and ESPN executives took note of this, and they factored that in to future discussions (or lack thereof) with the Pac.
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
I actually credit the PAC for lifting the Big 12 ahead of the PAC. 03-lmfao
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
I disagree with the "Big 12 propaganda" label.

In the article he said there is no difference in the Pac-12 without USC/UCLA and the Big-12 without Texas/OU and even says Oregon gets better viewers than anyone in the new Big-12

more like an article praising Yormark for moving the Big 12 ahead despite that not being to tout viewership numbers and being savy enough to know that networks would have limited dollars to give out to non Big Ten/SEC schools.
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
We know why the PAC is unstable. Many schools are looking to get out and hoping for a B1G invite. They werent concerned with expansion or signing a GOR long-term. If the TV rights are 20m/school what are they after all conference distributions? Big 12 homers are now claiming the Big 12 will be making 10-15m overall per school. That doesnt sound right.
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(05-25-2023 12:57 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  We know why the PAC is unstable. Many schools are looking to get out and hoping for a B1G invite. They werent concerned with expansion or signing a GOR long-term. If the TV rights are 20m/school what are they after all conference distributions? Big 12 homers are now claiming the Big 12 will be making 10-15m overall per school. That doesnt sound right.

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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
(05-25-2023 12:57 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  ... Big 12 will be making 10-15m overall per school. ...

$10 to 15M/yr/team MORE than the PAC-10.
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(05-25-2023 01:39 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  
(05-25-2023 12:57 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  ... Big 12 will be making 10-15m overall per school. ...

$10 to 15M/yr/team MORE than the PAC-10.

Thats exactly what I meant. Sorry for the typo.

Your school still looking to leave, huh?
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
(05-25-2023 01:41 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  Your school still looking to leave, huh?

Everyone outside the S2 is looking for a step up. Even UTEP who hopefully gets a call from the MW soon.
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
The viewership is similar.

The windows they can meet are not.

The PAC can't play at noon and the Big 12 as currently constructed can only give about 3 After Dark games. (BYU)

Depending on who's buying and who needs content when that makes a big difference. FOX's reported disinterest in the PAC is surprising. Must be fine riding with the B1G, Big 12, and MWC.
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
(05-25-2023 12:12 PM)ExpertAd991 Wrote:  Another big 12 propaganda piece.

Yeah, this is some Big 12 homer stuff:

There is no tangible reason for the Big 12 to have jumped ahead of the Pac-12 in securing a new contract with ESPN and Fox, other than market savvy and negotiating moxie.

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And here’s why Yormark’s negotiations are so impressive. He was not coming from a position of strength. The data does not support the notion that more eyeballs will watch the remaining (and new) Big 12 members than the remaining Pac-12 (and potentially new) members.

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But the point is, the Big 12 did not have a bunch of viewership numbers to tout, at the Pac-12's expense. And still Yormark leapfrogged his league ahead of the Pac-12.

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But it’s a lot of good information, and nothing suggests that America is clamoring to watch the Big 12 over the Pac-12. Seems about a wash.
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A conference is not stable if you have members wanting to leave.

Tramel is not an idiot. He is a longtime respected reporter in OKC. Always has his pulse on OU.
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Not my preferred outcome... but who's ready for Prime's return to Texas :-)))???
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
(05-25-2023 01:51 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  The viewership is similar.

The windows they can meet are not.

The PAC can't play at noon and the Big 12 as currently constructed can only give about 3 After Dark games. (BYU)

Depending on who's buying and who needs content when that makes a big difference. FOX's reported disinterest in the PAC is surprising. Must be fine riding with the B1G, Big 12, and MWC.

FOX has baseball at night in October (and sometimes in early Nov?). They can just put Big XII games at night in November.
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(05-25-2023 02:19 PM)BeepBeepJeep Wrote:  
(05-25-2023 01:51 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  The viewership is similar.

The windows they can meet are not.

The PAC can't play at noon and the Big 12 as currently constructed can only give about 3 After Dark games. (BYU)

Depending on who's buying and who needs content when that makes a big difference. FOX's reported disinterest in the PAC is surprising. Must be fine riding with the B1G, Big 12, and MWC.

FOX has baseball at night in October (and sometimes in early Nov?). They can just put Big XII games at night in November.
They certainly figure to benefit from FOX not doing a PAC deal.

Per SicEm365's breakdown:
https://sicem365.com/s/15070/realignment...s-answers/

FOX has 14 weeks of Big Ten at noon.
13 weeks of games somebody else has to fill in the afternoon since CBS bought exclusivity on non-cable B1G games in that slot.
6-8 weeks that don't conflict with MLB where somebody other than the B1G goes since NBC bought B1G exclusivity there.

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That's close to 20 games to fill on Big Fox and they only have 26 from the Big 12 and and up to 23 MWC games. They could air a few less or bump a Boise game up or two but it does surprise me that they backed off completely.

18 remaining B1G games likely help fill half the 33 Noon/Afternoon/Prime FS1 windows on Saturday IMO.
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
I will give credit to Big 12 fans instead. They are just more football hungry. The PAC students cannot prioritize football first.
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RE: Tramel: Credit Yormark for lifting Big 12 ahead of the Pac-12
(05-25-2023 01:58 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  A conference is not stable if you have members wanting to leave.

Tramel is not an idiot. He is a longtime respected reporter in OKC. Always has his pulse on OU.

I can't go 100% with that logic since all the Big 12 schools would want to be in the SEC but we know that's not happening.
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