(05-25-2023 01:19 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 11:23 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 10:08 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  The whole situation is moot where we are concerned.

For the moment, I disagree with you, and I rarely do.

If the PAC teams stay in the PAC, we have the best shot we have ever had at the Big XII. Their commissioner is hell-bent on adding more teams and growing the conference. We have a real shot if the PAC and ACC stay together. It might be our last chance.

Exactly. I'd love for the PAC to hang together in their smug academia. That is our only chance of a move up unless & until the ACC is raided in '36. Using UT (Texas) as an example, despite their 'better than everyone' persona much like several PAC schools, despite having their own LHN, jumped to the SEC where they will likely be a mid-pack competitor. Why? Simply because the SEC $$ are better than the B12 (thought to have been worth $60-75M with UT & OU as members + the LHN for UT). The current B12 value is known without UT & OU - $31M per school. But the PAC value was also primarily in two schools & the LA market - they are gone. UO/UW want to be gone too, evidenced by their joint refusal to sign a GOR in the next contract. We know GOR is valuable because our current AAC contract would have been substantially higher per school instead of $6.9 with GOR (& we know it from the ACC GOR). So again, without USC/UCLA, without the LA market, without GOR, where is the value in the PAC to get B12 value that has a GOR? UO/UW are simply waiting on their B1G invite & they too are gone, making the remaining PAC worth about the equivalent of the MWC. And BTW with the PAC contract ending next summer there are no exit fees.

More rumors flying that the PAC TV deal is only $20 million. If that's true, then PAC defectors will move to the Big XII and we will have to wait. Hope this wrong.

But if Pac teams do jump then the Big 12 pie is cut into more pieces which makes each piece smaller.

The G5 addition may accept a smaller portion to start, but any Pac team would not.

Don't even know if it would be legal for the Big 12 to offer the G5 additions a lower payout and give Pac additions full shares.

(05-26-2023 10:43 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:19 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 11:23 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 10:08 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  The whole situation is moot where we are concerned.

For the moment, I disagree with you, and I rarely do.

If the PAC teams stay in the PAC, we have the best shot we have ever had at the Big XII. Their commissioner is hell-bent on adding more teams and growing the conference. We have a real shot if the PAC and ACC stay together. It might be our last chance.

Exactly. I'd love for the PAC to hang together in their smug academia. That is our only chance of a move up unless & until the ACC is raided in '36. Using UT (Texas) as an example, despite their 'better than everyone' persona much like several PAC schools, despite having their own LHN, jumped to the SEC where they will likely be a mid-pack competitor. Why? Simply because the SEC $$ are better than the B12 (thought to have been worth $60-75M with UT & OU as members + the LHN for UT). The current B12 value is known without UT & OU - $31M per school. But the PAC value was also primarily in two schools & the LA market - they are gone. UO/UW want to be gone too, evidenced by their joint refusal to sign a GOR in the next contract. We know GOR is valuable because our current AAC contract would have been substantially higher per school instead of $6.9 with GOR (& we know it from the ACC GOR). So again, without USC/UCLA, without the LA market, without GOR, where is the value in the PAC to get B12 value that has a GOR? UO/UW are simply waiting on their B1G invite & they too are gone, making the remaining PAC worth about the equivalent of the MWC. And BTW with the PAC contract ending next summer there are no exit fees.

More rumors flying that the PAC TV deal is only $20 million. If that's true, then PAC defectors will move to the Big XII and we will have to wait. Hope this wrong.

But if Pac teams do jump then the Big 12 pie is cut into more pieces which makes each piece smaller.

The G5 addition may accept a smaller portion to start, but any Pac team would not.

Don't even know if it would be legal for the Big 12 to offer the G5 additions a lower payout and give Pac additions full shares.

The TV contract says only P5 additions are added pro rata.

(05-26-2023 10:43 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:19 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 11:23 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 10:08 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  The whole situation is moot where we are concerned.

For the moment, I disagree with you, and I rarely do.

If the PAC teams stay in the PAC, we have the best shot we have ever had at the Big XII. Their commissioner is hell-bent on adding more teams and growing the conference. We have a real shot if the PAC and ACC stay together. It might be our last chance.

Exactly. I'd love for the PAC to hang together in their smug academia. That is our only chance of a move up unless & until the ACC is raided in '36. Using UT (Texas) as an example, despite their 'better than everyone' persona much like several PAC schools, despite having their own LHN, jumped to the SEC where they will likely be a mid-pack competitor. Why? Simply because the SEC $$ are better than the B12 (thought to have been worth $60-75M with UT & OU as members + the LHN for UT). The current B12 value is known without UT & OU - $31M per school. But the PAC value was also primarily in two schools & the LA market - they are gone. UO/UW want to be gone too, evidenced by their joint refusal to sign a GOR in the next contract. We know GOR is valuable because our current AAC contract would have been substantially higher per school instead of $6.9 with GOR (& we know it from the ACC GOR). So again, without USC/UCLA, without the LA market, without GOR, where is the value in the PAC to get B12 value that has a GOR? UO/UW are simply waiting on their B1G invite & they too are gone, making the remaining PAC worth about the equivalent of the MWC. And BTW with the PAC contract ending next summer there are no exit fees.

More rumors flying that the PAC TV deal is only $20 million. If that's true, then PAC defectors will move to the Big XII and we will have to wait. Hope this wrong.

But if Pac teams do jump then the Big 12 pie is cut into more pieces which makes each piece smaller.

The G5 addition may accept a smaller portion to start, but any Pac team would not.

Don't even know if it would be legal for the Big 12 to offer the G5 additions a lower payout and give Pac additions full shares.

The ESPN pro rata would would pay incoming Pac-12 schools the full ESPN payout without affecting anyone else's payout. Fox also has what is essentially a "good faith" pro rata and Baylor's AD dropped hints that Fox has told then they would pay. If they don't pay for it or don't want it, then the Big 12 retains rights to those games and can sublicense them and sell them to whoever they want. So the Pac-12 schools are pretty much assured the full near 32 million per school media payout. A G5 addition is a different matter.

Also it would be legal for the Big 12 to give different negotiated shares. The B1G gave Maryland a larger share than Rutgers when they each joined the B1G.