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12anon Marchand strikes again! /s
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"What has long been assumed throughout the industry became a reality this week as ESPN appears to be out as an option to take the Pac-12's primary media rights as the conference continues to seek a new deal, multiple sources tell CBS Sports.

"[This is the] first time publicly [ESPN] said, 'We're not doing anything with the Pac-12,'" a Big 12 administrator aware of the exchange told CBS Sports under the condition of anonymity."

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RE: Marchand: "ESPN & Pac-12 are having no substantive talks at this time..."
Is it all about tightening belts?

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Is are the Pac-12's floundering negotiations also a reminder that "there's a difference between 'must-have' programming and 'nice-to-have' programming?
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(05-22-2023 09:46 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Is it all about tightening belts?

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Is are the Pac-12's floundering negotiations also a reminder that "there's a difference between 'must-have' programming and 'nice-to-have' programming?

It's Nice-To-Have Programming

ESPN set their price and that's where they are staying. Pac-12 holding out does not create any urgency or leverage.
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RE: Marchand: "ESPN & Pac-12 are having no substantive talks at this time..."
At what point do people start thinking that ESPN is trying to push schools to jump ship? I wouldn't be surprised if Colorado, Arizona, and SDSU all go to the BigXII and ESPN pays the pro rata plus a little more. I know that sounds counter intuitive but the ad dollars they can get for having a contract with a conference that spans 4 time zones and can fill all time slots will go up substantially with 4c schools plus SDSU. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems very strange for ESPN to give up on a PAC contract when they value the 4th time slot. We'll see...
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If the 4Cs leave the PAC and the B10 does not expand, what does the rest of the PAC membership do? Obviously they expand or join the B12, right?
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RE: Marchand: "ESPN & Pac-12 are having no substantive talks at this time...&...
(05-22-2023 10:22 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  At what point do people start thinking that ESPN is trying to push schools to jump ship? I wouldn't be surprised if Colorado, Arizona, and SDSU all go to the BigXII and ESPN pays the pro rata plus a little more. I know that sounds counter intuitive but the ad dollars they can get for having a contract with a conference that spans 4 time zones and can fill all time slots will go up substantially with 4c schools plus SDSU. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems very strange for ESPN to give up on a PAC contract when they value the 4th time slot. We'll see...

Why the BigXII?

ESPN has to coordinate with FOX to make B12 expansion happen (no pro rata clause for the FOX portion of the contract). And would have to negotiate with FOX for selection of programming priority.

ESPN doesn’t generate any additional subscriber revenue with the B12 as there is no B12 network.

Conversely, the ACC’s pro rata clause is completely under the umbrella of ESPN. And ESPN’s ACCN would automatically pick up additional subscriber revenue. And it would lock programs in until 2036.

So if ESPN were trying to corral PAC programs into another conference, why the B12?
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RE: Marchand: "ESPN & Pac-12 are having no substantive talks at this time...&...
(05-22-2023 10:36 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(05-22-2023 10:22 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  At what point do people start thinking that ESPN is trying to push schools to jump ship? I wouldn't be surprised if Colorado, Arizona, and SDSU all go to the BigXII and ESPN pays the pro rata plus a little more. I know that sounds counter intuitive but the ad dollars they can get for having a contract with a conference that spans 4 time zones and can fill all time slots will go up substantially with 4c schools plus SDSU. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems very strange for ESPN to give up on a PAC contract when they value the 4th time slot. We'll see...

Why the BigXII?

ESPN has to coordinate with FOX to make B12 expansion happen (no pro rata clause for the FOX portion of the contract). And would have to negotiate with FOX for selection of programming priority.

ESPN doesn’t generate any additional subscriber revenue with the B12 as there is no B12 network.

Conversely, the ACC’s pro rata clause is completely under the umbrella of ESPN. And ESPN’s ACCN would automatically pick up additional subscriber revenue. And it would lock programs in until 2036.

So if ESPN were trying to corral PAC programs into another conference, why the B12?

This is just my opinion but I believe this would also benefit FOX as well, not only do they also get what I previously stated they also pick up 2 very strong basketball brands in SDSU and Arizona. Maybe I'm wrong though
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(05-22-2023 10:22 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  At what point do people start thinking that ESPN is trying to push schools to jump ship?

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Jim Delany, Greg Sankey, Burke Magnus (ESPN) and Mark Silverman (FOX) are running the show.

Brett Yormark is serving as Chief Instigator.

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(05-22-2023 10:36 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Why the BigXII?

ESPN has to coordinate with FOX to make B12 expansion happen (no pro rata clause for the FOX portion of the contract). And would have to negotiate with FOX for selection of programming priority.

ESPN doesn’t generate any additional subscriber revenue with the B12 as there is no B12 network.

Conversely, the ACC’s pro rata clause is completely under the umbrella of ESPN. And ESPN’s ACCN would automatically pick up additional subscriber revenue. And it would lock programs in until 2036.

So if ESPN were trying to corral PAC programs into another conference, why the B12?

The idea of a PAC-ACC merger is quite laughable. ESPN would have to pay the PAC MORE money to broker a merger versus being on the hook for $40M-$80M per year to bring 2-4 PAC schools under the Big 12 umbrella. At the end of the day, ESPN is simply trying to fill 2-3 broadcasting windows. The cheapest option for them to do that is either A) the PAC agrees to a T1 TV deal that pays substantially less money than the Big 12 or B) move some properties into the Big 12 at pro rata ($20M per school).

The ACCN and PACN are losers and won't be around for much longer as cable continues its slow decline. ESPN is planning for the future and is competing to become THE ecosystem for streaming sports. Some future iteration of ESPN+ is likely the future of digital sports streaming whether we like it or not.
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(05-22-2023 10:53 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  
(05-22-2023 10:36 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Why the BigXII?

ESPN has to coordinate with FOX to make B12 expansion happen (no pro rata clause for the FOX portion of the contract). And would have to negotiate with FOX for selection of programming priority.

ESPN doesn’t generate any additional subscriber revenue with the B12 as there is no B12 network.

Conversely, the ACC’s pro rata clause is completely under the umbrella of ESPN. And ESPN’s ACCN would automatically pick up additional subscriber revenue. And it would lock programs in until 2036.

So if ESPN were trying to corral PAC programs into another conference, why the B12?

The idea of a PAC-ACC merger is quite laughable. ESPN would have to pay the PAC MORE money to broker a merger versus being on the hook for $40M-$80M per year to bring 2-4 PAC schools under the Big 12 umbrella. At the end of the day, ESPN is simply trying to fill 2-3 broadcasting windows. The cheapest option for them to do that is either A) the PAC agrees to a T1 TV deal that pays substantially less money than the Big 12 or B) move some properties into the Big 12 at pro rata ($20M per school).

The ACCN and PACN are losers and won't be around for much longer as cable continues its slow decline. ESPN is planning for the future and is competing to become THE ecosystem for streaming sports. Some future iteration of ESPN+ is likely the future of digital sports streaming whether we like it or not.

The ACCN is doing fine IMO. It isn't the B1GN or SECN, but still productive. The ACC owns a lot of territory and has plenty of great brands for football and basketball.
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(05-22-2023 10:58 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  
(05-22-2023 10:53 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  
(05-22-2023 10:36 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Why the BigXII?

ESPN has to coordinate with FOX to make B12 expansion happen (no pro rata clause for the FOX portion of the contract). And would have to negotiate with FOX for selection of programming priority.

ESPN doesn’t generate any additional subscriber revenue with the B12 as there is no B12 network.

Conversely, the ACC’s pro rata clause is completely under the umbrella of ESPN. And ESPN’s ACCN would automatically pick up additional subscriber revenue. And it would lock programs in until 2036.

So if ESPN were trying to corral PAC programs into another conference, why the B12?

The idea of a PAC-ACC merger is quite laughable. ESPN would have to pay the PAC MORE money to broker a merger versus being on the hook for $40M-$80M per year to bring 2-4 PAC schools under the Big 12 umbrella. At the end of the day, ESPN is simply trying to fill 2-3 broadcasting windows. The cheapest option for them to do that is either A) the PAC agrees to a T1 TV deal that pays substantially less money than the Big 12 or B) move some properties into the Big 12 at pro rata ($20M per school).

The ACCN and PACN are losers and won't be around for much longer as cable continues its slow decline. ESPN is planning for the future and is competing to become THE ecosystem for streaming sports. Some future iteration of ESPN+ is likely the future of digital sports streaming whether we like it or not.

The ACCN is doing fine IMO. It isn't the B1GN or SECN, but still productive. The ACC owns a lot of territory and has plenty of great brands for football and basketball.

What happens to the ACCN when FSU, Clemson, etc. inevitably leave the conference? The creation of the ACCN was a stop-gap solution to extend leverage, similar to how ESPN leveraged the LHN network to broker Texas-Oklahoma to the SEC.
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(05-22-2023 11:04 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  The creation of the ACCN was a stop-gap solution to extend leverage, similar to how ESPN leveraged the LHN network to broker Texas-Oklahoma to the SEC.

That's one (favorable) Monday-Morning Quarterback view of the ACCN and LHN - Simply an elaborate stall tactic until there's more time to actually figure out what works.

Another is that even powerful and knowledgeable media bosses don't always correctly guess which way the winds are blowing
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It’s looking more and more like the end game is imminent.

I’ve held fast to the assumption that somehow the Pac will ultimately pull a rabbit out of the proverbial hat. But every day that goes by without a deal being announced diminishes the likelihood of that happening. This latest tidbit has me feeling at least one 4C school must be close to finally cracking and opting for the comparative safety of the Big 12.

Very close.
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(05-22-2023 11:30 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  It’s looking more and more like the end game is imminent.

I’ve held fast to the assumption that somehow the Pac will ultimately pull a rabbit out of the proverbial hat. But every day that goes by without a deal being announced diminishes the likelihood of that happening. This latest tidbit has me feeling at least one 4C school must be close to finally cracking and opting for the comparative safety of the Big 12.

Very close.

Agreed, it honestly feels inevitable at this point. From a Cincy fan perspective, what is happening to college athletics sucks. Unfortunately, the opinions of fans do not outweigh the mighty dollar. After the demise of the Big East, people moaned and groaned but eventually settled into the new P5/G5 landscape. The majority of fans kept watching, kept tailgating, kept buying tickets, kept donating, and eventually come to accept the new normal.

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(05-22-2023 10:03 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
(05-22-2023 09:46 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Is it all about tightening belts?

OR

Is are the Pac-12's floundering negotiations also a reminder that "there's a difference between 'must-have' programming and 'nice-to-have' programming?

It's Nice-To-Have Programming

ESPN set their price and that's where they are staying. Pac-12 holding out does not create any urgency or leverage.

Exactly. ESPN isnt really negotiating. They are willing to pick up a small late night package at a reasonable price----but if the Pac12 isnt available at that price point, ESPN has other options for obtaining late night programming. Again---only 20% of the national audience is even awake in that time slot. Economically---it simply is not content where it makes sense to break the bank to obtain.
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(05-22-2023 10:39 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  This is just my opinion but I believe this would also benefit FOX as well, not only do they also get what I previously stated they also pick up 2 very strong basketball brands in SDSU and Arizona. Maybe I'm wrong though

The networks WANT consolidation, while the Presidents are trying to stave it off. The networks don't care about culture or academics. They care about brands, markets, and compelling matchups. The want to get some Corner schools to jump to take it out of their hands. It will take at least two schools to set off the dominos.

I don't think it is coincidence that we are hearing chatter of ACC expansion too, even if it is a loophole for a quick money grab by the ACC top dogs. ESPN/Fox may pay a premium, but they will control more schools for longer. We know how that worked out for ESPN, locking up P2 potential schools on the cheap until 36'.
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