From a few days ago. Thoughts?

1. Fritz- Tulane
2. Traylor- UTSA
3. Herman- FAU
4. Lashlee- SMU
5. Houston- ECU
6. Silverfield- Memphis
7.Wilson- Tulsa
8. Golesh- USF
9. Bloomgren- Rice
10. Morris- UNT
11. Drayton- Temple
12. Poggi- Charlotte
13. Newberry- Navy
14. Dilfer- UAB

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA1bdLlH

(05-21-2023 02:10 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  From a few days ago. Thoughts?

1. Fritz- Tulane
2. Traylor- UTSA
3. Herman- FAU
4. Lashlee- SMU
5. Houston- ECU
6. Silverfield- Memphis
7.Wilson- Tulsa
8. Golesh- USF
9. Bloomgren- Rice
10. Morris- UNT
11. Drayton- Temple
12. Poggi- Charlotte
13. Newberry- Navy
14. Dilfer- UAB

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA1bdLlH

I would not put FAU coach at 3rd since this is his first year in the AAC. If they are going to include past coaching experience, then Mike Houston would be higher, and Herman could stay at the 3rd spot.

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Can’t wait to see this thread bumped during bowl season.

(05-21-2023 03:06 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(05-21-2023 02:10 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  From a few days ago. Thoughts?

1. Fritz- Tulane
2. Traylor- UTSA
3. Herman- FAU
4. Lashlee- SMU
5. Houston- ECU
6. Silverfield- Memphis
7.Wilson- Tulsa
8. Golesh- USF
9. Bloomgren- Rice
10. Morris- UNT
11. Drayton- Temple
12. Poggi- Charlotte
13. Newberry- Navy
14. Dilfer- UAB

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA1bdLlH

I would not put FAU coach at 3rd since this is his first year in the AAC. If they are going to include past coaching experience, then Mike Houston would be higher, and Herman could stay at the 3rd spot.

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Third season in the AAC.

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According to the OP link:

7 coaches are in their first season at the helm
9 coaches are in either their 1st or 2nd
2 coaches [Fritz and Bloomgren] have more than 4 seasons

That is a lot of new, unproven coaches in the league. I wouldn't put too much stock in these rankings...yet. That said, I have no problem with UTSA's Jeff Traylor at #2. Back-to-back conference chips and a 30-10 record over three seasons makes him one of the hottest prospects in the new American. Interestingly, 2 newbie coaches [Traylor, Herman] are ranked in the top 5 and 4 coaches [Traylor, Herman, Bloomgren, Morris] are ranked in the top 10.

(05-21-2023 04:51 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  According to the OP link:

7 coaches are in their first season at the helm
9 coaches are in either their 1st or 2nd
2 coaches [Fritz and Bloomgren] have more than 4 seasons

That is a lot of new, unproven coaches in the league. I wouldn't put too much stock in these rankings...yet. That said, I have no problem with UTSA's Jeff Traylor at #2. Back-to-back conference chips and a 30-10 record over three seasons makes him one of the hottest prospects in the new American. Interestingly, 2 newbie coaches [Traylor, Herman] are ranked in the top 5 and 4 coaches [Traylor, Herman, Bloomgren, Morris] are ranked in the top 10.

With that 12-25 record in C-USA (counting wins against programs like UTEP and Southern Miss), some of us at Rice would say Bloomgren is also unproven.

clt says we have the coach with the most $!

I don't have any problem with the top half of those rankings. Give Herman, Wilson, etc credit for coaching successes elsewhere.

By my count, 4 AAC head coaches will be in their first game as head coach. Why is Golesh several spots above the others? What basis is there for Newberry to be anything other than the top of that foursome? What in-game college coaching has Poggi ever done? If you want to give him credit for portal recruiting, cool -- but counterpoint all you can really say is that he's assembled a top MIAA roster.

Overall, meh.
Less than 100 days.

Every single website is crapping on UAB’s hire but I really don’t think Dilfer is that bad. He’s obviously got to prove it, but he’s already shown great recruiting abilities. If UAB gets to a bowl this season that would be an incredible first season. I don’t think people will be take the time to look at UAB and realize all that Dilfer had to replace from last season but says a lot we didn’t have a massive portal flood.

(05-21-2023 06:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I don't have any problem with the top half of those rankings. Give Herman, Wilson, etc credit for coaching successes elsewhere.

By my count, 4 AAC head coaches will be in their first game as head coach. Why is Golesh several spots above the others? What basis is there for Newberry to be anything other than the top of that foursome? What in-game college coaching has Poggi ever done? If you want to give him credit for portal recruiting, cool -- but counterpoint all you can really say is that he's assembled a top MIAA roster.

Overall, meh.
Less than 100 days.

clt says we have a much better roster than any Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association team.

I’ll certainly save these rankings.

Silverfield is ranked way too high.

(05-21-2023 07:54 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(05-21-2023 06:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I don't have any problem with the top half of those rankings. Give Herman, Wilson, etc credit for coaching successes elsewhere.

By my count, 4 AAC head coaches will be in their first game as head coach. Why is Golesh several spots above the others? What basis is there for Newberry to be anything other than the top of that foursome? What in-game college coaching has Poggi ever done? If you want to give him credit for portal recruiting, cool -- but counterpoint all you can really say is that he's assembled a top MIAA roster.

Overall, meh.
Less than 100 days.

clt says we have a much better roster than any Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association team.

Have you seen what Lynn Classical is returning from last year’s 5-2 squad?

(05-21-2023 07:54 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(05-21-2023 06:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I don't have any problem with the top half of those rankings. Give Herman, Wilson, etc credit for coaching successes elsewhere.

By my count, 4 AAC head coaches will be in their first game as head coach. Why is Golesh several spots above the others? What basis is there for Newberry to be anything other than the top of that foursome? What in-game college coaching has Poggi ever done? If you want to give him credit for portal recruiting, cool -- but counterpoint all you can really say is that he's assembled a top MIAA roster.

Overall, meh.
Less than 100 days.

clt says we have a much better roster than any Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association team.

Are...like,...are you serious?

The reference is to the Maryland Interscholastic Athletic Association and Biff's experience as head coach at St. Frances and before that Gilman. Like many places where private schools can recruit, Baltimore and DC private schools have top notch football and basketball.
As Biff poured money into St Frances and kicked recruiting into overdrive, other MIAA schools dropped them from schedules for player safety reasons.
Most of Biff's portal successes are St Frances or other MIAA guys.
So my roster point is, he may have brought in high school stars, but that doesn't mean anything yet at the P6 level.

It got him to Harbaugh's staff. It improves Charlotte's roster. It doesn't say anything about his ability as a head coach at the FBS level.

I have more confidence in Dilfer than Poggi at this point.

(05-21-2023 08:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Silverfield is ranked way too high.

I would agree. He shouldn't be ranked at all, he should be gone.

(05-21-2023 08:55 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-21-2023 07:54 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(05-21-2023 06:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I don't have any problem with the top half of those rankings. Give Herman, Wilson, etc credit for coaching successes elsewhere.

By my count, 4 AAC head coaches will be in their first game as head coach. Why is Golesh several spots above the others? What basis is there for Newberry to be anything other than the top of that foursome? What in-game college coaching has Poggi ever done? If you want to give him credit for portal recruiting, cool -- but counterpoint all you can really say is that he's assembled a top MIAA roster.

Overall, meh.
Less than 100 days.

clt says we have a much better roster than any Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association team.

Are...like,...are you serious?

The reference is to the Maryland Interscholastic Athletic Association and Biff's experience as head coach at St. Frances and before that Gilman. Like many places where private schools can recruit, Baltimore and DC private schools have top notch football and basketball.
As Biff poured money into St Frances and kicked recruiting into overdrive, other MIAA schools dropped them from schedules for player safety reasons.
Most of Biff's portal successes are St Frances or other MIAA guys.
So my roster point is, he may have brought in high school stars, but that doesn't mean anything yet at the P6 level.

It got him to Harbaugh's staff. It improves Charlotte's roster. It doesn't say anything about his ability as a head coach at the FBS level.

I have more confidence in Dilfer than Poggi at this point.

clt had to google miaa, not exactly a common term

Basically spots 10 - 14, there isn't enough data to rate them. So then Bloomgren is worst in the league. That I agree with. Overall rankings look about right.

This league has about 5 solid teams/coaches, I would rank:

Fritz, Traylor, Lashlee, Herman, Houston, Silverfield. But feel free to move them around.

There's a middle pack that you can squint and be happy about, we'll see.

The rest are really, who the f*** knows

(05-22-2023 04:09 AM)STL_Wave Wrote:  Basically spots 10 - 14, there isn't enough data to rate them. So then Bloomgren is worst in the league. That I agree with. Overall rankings look about right.

This league has about 5 solid teams/coaches, I would rank:

Fritz, Traylor, Lashlee, Herman, Houston, Silverfield. But feel free to move them around.

There's a middle pack that you can squint and be happy about, we'll see.

The rest are really, who the f*** knows

That's a fact. And at the end of the year, there is no way we are going to look back and say all these coaches are bottom third in the league. Some of these guys will likely succeed, and some will fail. It's silly to rank 1st time head coaches as there is absolutely nothing to base it off of.

(05-21-2023 11:22 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(05-21-2023 08:55 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-21-2023 07:54 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(05-21-2023 06:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I don't have any problem with the top half of those rankings. Give Herman, Wilson, etc credit for coaching successes elsewhere.

By my count, 4 AAC head coaches will be in their first game as head coach. Why is Golesh several spots above the others? What basis is there for Newberry to be anything other than the top of that foursome? What in-game college coaching has Poggi ever done? If you want to give him credit for portal recruiting, cool -- but counterpoint all you can really say is that he's assembled a top MIAA roster.

Overall, meh.
Less than 100 days.

clt says we have a much better roster than any Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association team.

Are...like,...are you serious?

The reference is to the Maryland Interscholastic Athletic Association and Biff's experience as head coach at St. Frances and before that Gilman. Like many places where private schools can recruit, Baltimore and DC private schools have top notch football and basketball.
As Biff poured money into St Frances and kicked recruiting into overdrive, other MIAA schools dropped them from schedules for player safety reasons.
Most of Biff's portal successes are St Frances or other MIAA guys.
So my roster point is, he may have brought in high school stars, but that doesn't mean anything yet at the P6 level.

It got him to Harbaugh's staff. It improves Charlotte's roster. It doesn't say anything about his ability as a head coach at the FBS level.

I have more confidence in Dilfer than Poggi at this point.

clt had to google miaa, not exactly a common term

Sure, I get that.
Even in the environment of a message board -- everyone on a message board has moved beyond "average fan" -- I wouldn't expect deep knowledge on Maryland Catholic high school sports.

But on the other hand, this is your new coach. This is one of two bullet points on his coaching resume'

I also want to know about his role at Michigan: what did he do as Associate Head Coach? Was he allowed player communication, or was this like a super-analyst position? Responsibilities for HS recruiting? Portal? How much game planning? What was his role in practices? Spring ball, winter conditioning, fall camp?
I honestly don't know and I'm genuinely asking. It's hard to know who does what anymore with analysts and QA and "football ops" and "chief of staff" and "player personnel" positions, and probably no two schools define them the same way.

I think Herman is a good coach, but I think his experience having coached in the AAC before is being overvalued. Turning over staff and using the portal leads to big question marks on where FAU will finish. I have hope, but then again what fan doesn't.