Well he WAS a Democrat most of his life.

(05-18-2023 11:48 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Well he WAS a Democrat most of his life.

Still is in a lot of ways just not todays democrats....

As much as Republicans hate Clinton (Bill) he would be closer to being a Republican today. Other than the never trumper side of the party. My view of Trump doesn't put him even close to "far right" the media and democrats tries to paint him. At least not on most issues.

Its why I first voted for him....he was talking about issues that the democrats use to care about.

(05-18-2023 11:55 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 11:48 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Well he WAS a Democrat most of his life.

Still is in a lot of ways just not todays democrats....

As much as Republicans hate Clinton (Bill) he would be closer to being a Republican today. Other than the never trumper side of the party. My view of Trump doesn't put him even close to "far right" the media and democrats tries to paint him. At least not on most issues.

Its why I first voted for him....he was talking about issues that the democrats use to care about.

What I call a Kennedy Democrat.

(05-17-2023 05:00 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 04:17 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  That's a great article by Turley. And that is what you call a deep state.

Glenn Greenwald gets it too

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And he and Turley are both originally liberal Dems.

Durham Finds the Importance of Nellie Ohr

Quote:Paul Sperry at RealClearPolitics has an article today citing one part of the Durham report that deserves a little CTH attention.

I hope you will forgive my indulgent snickers, as the graphic you see below was created by me in early 2018, a full five years before the release of this Durham report. I even referred to the Steele Dossier as the Nellie Ohr Dossier. lol

As noted by Sperry, “According to the 306-page report, former Justice Department prosecutor Bruce Ohr’s wife Nellie Ohr first plowed the ground for the dossier with a series of research reports she wrote for Fusion GPS, the D.C.-based opposition research firm the Clinton campaign commissioned to dig up dirt on Trump and Russia.”



[…] Durham suggests Nellie Ohr planted the seeds of sourcing for the most explosive allegations leveled by the dossier against Trump, including the oft-cited notion that he and his campaign were engaged in a “well-developed conspiracy of cooperation” with the Kremlin. The dossier attributed this, falsely, to Millian. Durham found that the Belarusian-American realtor was never a source for the dossier and was simply invented as one, along with the allegations attributed to him.

In fact, Durham says that Millian initially wasn’t even on the radar of Steele and his dossier “collector” Igor Danchenko, a former Brookings Institution analyst who’s admitted much of the information he provided Steele was alcohol-lubricated gossip. Millian was called to their attention by Nellie Ohr, who the prosecutor said “implicated” Millian through her own reports. Durham suggests Steele and Danchenko merely followed her leads.


[…] Bruce Ohr, an anti-Trump Democrat, pushed his wife’s reports that cited Millian — 12 in all — onto the Crossfire Hurricane team at FBI headquarters that was investigating Trump and his campaign for possible espionage. Agents used her reports as a source of corroboration for the Steele reports they received in the summer and fall of 2016, even though it was circular reporting.

“The reports prepared by Ohr and others at Fusion GPS were ultimately provided to Crossfire Hurricane investigators by Ohr’s husband, Bruce Ohr,” according to the Durham Report.

Durham notes that Danchenko was tracking leads on Millian from Nellie Ohr within “approximately one week” of Fusion GPS retaining Steele to compile the dossier. He concludes that this “strongly supports the inference that Fusion GPS directed Steele to pursue Millian.”

In other words, Steele was not the catalyst behind the dossier’s central claims. Rather, it was Clinton’s contractor Fusion GPS — but more specifically, the wife of a senior DOJ official who worked for Fusion. So the FBI wasn’t really investigating “Crown reporting,” as officials referred to Steele’s dossier, implying it was British intelligence. More accurately, it was investigating information from inside its own department that was laundered through Steele and his dossier. (read more)

Smart fella that John Durham.

Nellie Ohr – a former CIA open-source expert on all things Russia; a woman who used HAM radios for communication; a woman who approached Fusion GPS owner Glenn Simpson for a job in December 2015; she was the impetus for the information that ended up in the Chris Steele Dossier.

The people who were running this circus are politically untouchable.
The powers that be in DC will never prosecute one of their own. (as long as they toe the party line)
I wonder if people like Carter Page will have any recourse in a civil court for what they have done to him??

(05-19-2023 07:13 AM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  The people who were running this circus are politically untouchable.
The powers that be in DC will never prosecute one of their own. (as long as they toe the party line)
I wonder if people like Carter Page will have any recourse in a civil court for what they have done to him??

A court in DC?

(05-19-2023 09:22 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 07:13 AM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  The people who were running this circus are politically untouchable.
The powers that be in DC will never prosecute one of their own. (as long as they toe the party line)
I wonder if people like Carter Page will have any recourse in a civil court for what they have done to him??

A court in DC?

Yeahhhhhh... your right.... I apologize... I forgot justice is no longer blind...

(05-19-2023 07:13 AM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  The people who were running this circus are politically untouchable.
The powers that be in DC will never prosecute one of their own. (as long as they toe the party line)
I wonder if people like Carter Page will have any recourse in a civil court for what they have done to him??

This plan was first implemented in 2008 with our first(?) Communist President.
It is about sustaining power forever, Joe's part in it are the open borders and culture wars, but the ideas originate in the Obama brain trust.

(05-18-2023 11:55 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 11:48 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Well he WAS a Democrat most of his life.

Still is in a lot of ways just not todays democrats....

As much as Republicans hate Clinton (Bill) he would be closer to being a Republican today. Other than the never trumper side of the party. My view of Trump doesn't put him even close to "far right" the media and democrats tries to paint him. At least not on most issues.

Its why I first voted for him....he was talking about issues that the democrats use to care about.

That is the silly thing. Trump is not far right at all.

(05-18-2023 11:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 05:00 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 04:17 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  That's a great article by Turley. And that is what you call a deep state.

Glenn Greenwald gets it too

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And he and Turley are both originally liberal Dems.

They still are liberal and Dems. Dems have become progressive not liberal. They have moved massively left in the last 10-15 years.

How has this slipped to the 2nd page?

Matt Taibbi has a good article on the Russia collusion madness: https://www.racket.news/p/durham-is-too-...he-madness
For those who don't remember, Matt is basically a Bernie-bro, but he uses his mind and is not an NPC.


"...One doubts even Democrats want the FBI feeling free to send informants into political campaigns on “thin” pretexts — that’s an actual quote from an FBI legal attaché the report, “Damn, that’s thin” — to poke low-level functionaries with “prompts,” with the aim of landing them in jail. Or do they? Apparently, they do.

Mueller’s failure to deliver Christmas wishes ought to have been the end of the faith. Like the Great Disappointment, it just reset expectations for new theories of deliverance. People like me took too long to realize this was not rational argument, but religious crusade, one that still lives on the the New York City prosecution of Trump, an unapologetic outgrowth of the vaprous Russia probe.

Whether it was the Mueller fiasco or the report of Obama-appointed Inspector General Michael Horowitz (which ought to have vindicated Nunes, who was instead vilified even more) or even the Twitter Files revelations about Hamilton 68 and the scores of phony “Russian bot” stories, we now know nothing punctures the national madness. It’ll be the same with this report. The lunatic is on the grass, and nothing will coax him off."

(05-19-2023 09:48 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 07:13 AM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  The people who were running this circus are politically untouchable.
The powers that be in DC will never prosecute one of their own. (as long as they toe the party line)
I wonder if people like Carter Page will have any recourse in a civil court for what they have done to him??

This plan was first implemented in 2008 with our first(?) Communist President.
It is about sustaining power forever, Joe's part in it are the open borders and culture wars, but the ideas originate in the Obama brain trust.

Bingo. Plus Biden also is held hostage by China, thus the absolute capitulation to anything the Winnie the Pooh faced Xi orders be done: spy balloons, moving against Taiwan, unfair treatment of US companies in China, no new tariffs on China (some of Trump's 301 tariffs still apply under the USTR). Plus Biden* did NOT include TW in the 2022 Indo-Pacific Economic Framework for Prosperity....very deliberate exclusion to appease China. Of course, the US trade deficit with China in 2022 was right at $390b - the most of any other trade partner.

And Obama is the Controller who uses the fully compromised puppet Biden* to carry out his third term bizarre vision to reshape America. Hope and change, folks - embrace this BULLS HIT.

TOLERATE IT, AMERICA.

(05-19-2023 11:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 11:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 05:00 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 04:17 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  That's a great article by Turley. And that is what you call a deep state.

Glenn Greenwald gets it too

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And he and Turley are both originally liberal Dems.

They still are liberal and Dems. Dems have become progressive not liberal. They have moved massively left in the last 10-15 years.

Yes, I didn't mean to imply that they had moved anywhere, just the opposite. Exactly what you said. They were in this spot from the beginning. The cavalry ran away from them.