ACC officials need to stop talking about Notre Dame football joining the conference. They sound a bit like The Big East football officials did just before Pitt, Syracuse and Louisville left causing the collapse of their football conference.

The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ACC officials need to stop talking about Notre Dame football joining the conference. They sound a bit like The Big East football officials did just before Pitt, Syracuse and Louisville left causing the collapse of their football conference.

The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ACC officials need to stop talking about Notre Dame football joining the conference. They sound a bit like The Big East football officials did just before Pitt, Syracuse and Louisville left causing the collapse of their football conference.

The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

JR, someone has a question for you.

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ACC officials need to stop talking about Notre Dame football joining the conference. They sound a bit like The Big East football officials did just before Pitt, Syracuse and Louisville left causing the collapse of their football conference.

The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

It really doesn't considering ESPN doesn't seem to be doing too well. The ACCN makes them money and they have solid brands locked up at a discount.

(05-19-2023 12:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 11:23 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 09:52 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Order of likeliness:
1. Schools(s) fight GoR in court
2. Everyone waits until 2036ish (yes, expansion)
3. Everyone waits until 2036ish (no, expansion)
4. League is dissolved
5. ESPN renegotiates
6. Any option including Notre Dame as a football member

New-to-me tidbit: Swarbrick wasn't even at the meeting.

(Notre Dame isn't joining)

Why would they, when they are permitted to operate outside the rules.

What "rules" are they operating outside of?

I vote aliens!

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

Not sure ESPN would be opposed to an ACC relocation plan with Greg Sankey taking in SEC/ESPN's preferred schools and Brett Yormark housing the rest in a rebranded "Coast to Coast" Big XII (Notre Dame's media situation can be resolved with ESPN and FOX horse trading).

IMO, a super-charged SEC and its accompanying network stretching from Virginia to Texas would, even at an elevated price point, be a big hit. For consumers and for advertisers

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ACC officials need to stop talking about Notre Dame football joining the conference. They sound a bit like The Big East football officials did just before Pitt, Syracuse and Louisville left causing the collapse of their football conference.

The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

You mean ACC schools all acting in favor of an existential threat to ACC HQ, the entity that is used to have schools act collectively. Few instances of such dynamics working

They already basically merged to espn. With the benefit of the two conferences allowing unequal revenue

Slapping the SEC brand on ACC and eliminating ACC HQ costs is beneficial, but you also lose some profit generators and isn’t as good for espn as consolidation. For example, espn makes more from bundling two conference networks of conferences with geographical overlap than having one network that covers same area.

A merger of HQ, that is actually consolidation to benefit espn, would require stratification of revenue payments so large, that most lower ACC schools don’t benefit. Arguably nothing reinforces the inequality of P2 era more than being “in” a P2 at MUCH worse pay than your P2 conference peers.

(05-24-2023 08:57 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

Not sure ESPN would be opposed to an ACC relocation plan with Greg Sankey taking in SEC/ESPN's preferred schools and Brett Yormark housing the rest in a rebranded "Coast to Coast" Big XII (Notre Dame's media situation can be resolved with ESPN and FOX horse trading).

IMO, a super-charged SEC and its accompanying network stretching from Virginia to Texas would, even at an elevated price point, be a big hit. For consumers and for advertisers

The ACCN is a money maker. What business sense does it make to cancel something that turns profit? Nike didn’t close sweatshops because the workers were disgruntled.

We are already seeing a mini-airport meeting with the ACC 7, and they’re only in a 14-team league. Why on earth do you think a giant non-premier coast-to-coast conference is a good idea? This isn’t a new idea; Aresco already tried and failed here.

When has “horse trading” ever happened in college media contracts?

If you actually answer these questions I’ll be surprised.

The ACC is effed.

(05-24-2023 09:07 AM)Chappy Wrote:  The ACC is effed.

YEs, the question is when are they going to truly succumb to their prize. Will it be in the next couple of years? Or will we wait 7-10 years? I believe it will be in the early 2030's due to the GOR. I hate that fact, but i believe that is where we are at. ND will be tied to the albatross that is the ACC for at least 7 more years.

Hope I am wrong!

(05-24-2023 09:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  When has “horse trading” ever happened in college media contracts?

In 2011 CBS used its only primetime pick on Alabama vs. Florida on October 1. A month later, Alabama and LSU were ranked #1 and #2 in the nation and LSU worked out an agreement with ESPN to air that "Game of the Century" in primetime.

(05-24-2023 09:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:57 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

Not sure ESPN would be opposed to an ACC relocation plan with Greg Sankey taking in SEC/ESPN's preferred schools and Brett Yormark housing the rest in a rebranded "Coast to Coast" Big XII (Notre Dame's media situation can be resolved with ESPN and FOX horse trading).

IMO, a super-charged SEC and its accompanying network stretching from Virginia to Texas would, even at an elevated price point, be a big hit. For consumers and for advertisers

The ACCN is a money maker. What business sense does it make to cancel something that turns profit? Nike didn’t close sweatshops because the workers were disgruntled.

We are already seeing a mini-airport meeting with the ACC 7, and they’re only in a 14-team league. Why on earth do you think a giant non-premier coast-to-coast conference is a good idea? This isn’t a new idea; Aresco already tried and failed here.

When has “horse trading” ever happened in college media contracts?

If you actually answer these questions I’ll be surprised.

That might be my new signature.

(05-24-2023 09:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:57 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

Not sure ESPN would be opposed to an ACC relocation plan with Greg Sankey taking in SEC/ESPN's preferred schools and Brett Yormark housing the rest in a rebranded "Coast to Coast" Big XII (Notre Dame's media situation can be resolved with ESPN and FOX horse trading).

IMO, a super-charged SEC and its accompanying network stretching from Virginia to Texas would, even at an elevated price point, be a big hit. For consumers and for advertisers

The ACCN is a money maker. What business sense does it make to cancel something that turns profit? Nike didn’t close sweatshops because the workers were disgruntled.

We are already seeing a mini-airport meeting with the ACC 7, and they’re only in a 14-team league. Why on earth do you think a giant non-premier coast-to-coast conference is a good idea? This isn’t a new idea; Aresco already tried and failed here.

When has “horse trading” ever happened in college media contracts?

If you actually answer these questions I’ll be surprised.

I'd think this goes without saying...but the ACCN doesn't put a dent in the growing disparity. If the ACC was projected to pay out in the remote ballpark of the P2, we wouldn't even be talking about how to bust the GoR. Heck, we wouldn't even have to refer to the B1G/SEC as the P2. The big gap will grow by the year.

(05-24-2023 09:07 AM)Chappy Wrote:  The ACC is effed.

The ACC is stuck until 2036.

There is some Florida State fan on Youtube said the 7 should get an 8th member to vote with them to end the ACC for good. That means end the ACC network, and get their own tv deal away from ESPN. If they get the numbers with Notre Dame with them + plus raiding the Big 12 and PAC 12 schools? Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Okie State, Houston, Cincinnati and Memphis?

The 7 schools left behind would be Duke, Louisville, Wake, Pitts, Georgia Tech, Syracuse and Boston College without a home. People are questioning both Virginia schools since they have done nothing in football in a long time, and so have Miami. Duke, Wake and Pittsburgh had the more success in recent years.

(05-24-2023 10:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 09:07 AM)Chappy Wrote:  The ACC is effed.

The ACC is stuck until 2036.

There is some Florida State fan on Youtube said the 7 should get an 8th member to vote with them to end the ACC for good. That means end the ACC network, and get their own tv deal away from ESPN. If they get the numbers with Notre Dame with them + plus raiding the Big 12 and PAC 12 schools? Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Okie State, Houston, Cincinnati and Memphis?

The 7 schools left behind would be Duke, Louisville, Wake, Pitts, Georgia Tech, Syracuse and Boston College without a home. People are questioning both Virginia schools since they have done nothing in football in a long time, and so have Miami. Duke, Wake and Pittsburgh had the more success in recent years.

It's not going run through '36. I'm still waiting for a post that we're in agreement on something, anything!

(05-24-2023 10:35 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 09:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:57 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

Not sure ESPN would be opposed to an ACC relocation plan with Greg Sankey taking in SEC/ESPN's preferred schools and Brett Yormark housing the rest in a rebranded "Coast to Coast" Big XII (Notre Dame's media situation can be resolved with ESPN and FOX horse trading).

IMO, a super-charged SEC and its accompanying network stretching from Virginia to Texas would, even at an elevated price point, be a big hit. For consumers and for advertisers

The ACCN is a money maker. What business sense does it make to cancel something that turns profit? Nike didn’t close sweatshops because the workers were disgruntled.

We are already seeing a mini-airport meeting with the ACC 7, and they’re only in a 14-team league. Why on earth do you think a giant non-premier coast-to-coast conference is a good idea? This isn’t a new idea; Aresco already tried and failed here.

When has “horse trading” ever happened in college media contracts?

If you actually answer these questions I’ll be surprised.

I'd think this goes without saying...but the ACCN doesn't put a dent in the growing disparity. If the ACC was projected to pay out in the remote ballpark of the P2, we wouldn't even be talking about how to bust the GoR. Heck, we wouldn't even have to refer to the B1G/SEC as the P2. The big gap will grow by the year.

No where in the 50 or so words you typed did you say anythign about ESPN's money. That's what ESPN cares about. The gap is the ACC's problem, not ESPN's

(05-24-2023 09:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:57 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

Not sure ESPN would be opposed to an ACC relocation plan with Greg Sankey taking in SEC/ESPN's preferred schools and Brett Yormark housing the rest in a rebranded "Coast to Coast" Big XII (Notre Dame's media situation can be resolved with ESPN and FOX horse trading).

IMO, a super-charged SEC and its accompanying network stretching from Virginia to Texas would, even at an elevated price point, be a big hit. For consumers and for advertisers

The ACCN is a money maker. What business sense does it make to cancel something that turns profit? Nike didn’t close sweatshops because the workers were disgruntled.

We are already seeing a mini-airport meeting with the ACC 7, and they’re only in a 14-team league. Why on earth do you think a giant non-premier coast-to-coast conference is a good idea? This isn’t a new idea; Aresco already tried and failed here.

When has “horse trading” ever happened in college media contracts?

If you actually answer these questions I’ll be surprised.

Actually, the B1G will be doing it soon when USCLA join. Will be interesting to see how that works out

(05-24-2023 10:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 10:35 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 09:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:57 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

Not sure ESPN would be opposed to an ACC relocation plan with Greg Sankey taking in SEC/ESPN's preferred schools and Brett Yormark housing the rest in a rebranded "Coast to Coast" Big XII (Notre Dame's media situation can be resolved with ESPN and FOX horse trading).

IMO, a super-charged SEC and its accompanying network stretching from Virginia to Texas would, even at an elevated price point, be a big hit. For consumers and for advertisers

The ACCN is a money maker. What business sense does it make to cancel something that turns profit? Nike didn’t close sweatshops because the workers were disgruntled.

We are already seeing a mini-airport meeting with the ACC 7, and they’re only in a 14-team league. Why on earth do you think a giant non-premier coast-to-coast conference is a good idea? This isn’t a new idea; Aresco already tried and failed here.

When has “horse trading” ever happened in college media contracts?

If you actually answer these questions I’ll be surprised.

I'd think this goes without saying...but the ACCN doesn't put a dent in the growing disparity. If the ACC was projected to pay out in the remote ballpark of the P2, we wouldn't even be talking about how to bust the GoR. Heck, we wouldn't even have to refer to the B1G/SEC as the P2. The big gap will grow by the year.

No where in the 50 or so words you typed did you say anythign about ESPN's money. That's what ESPN cares about. The gap is the ACC's problem, not ESPN's

Best explanation of the ACCs predicament. ESPN doesnt need to bail them out. Do they really want to add more schools and more money to the SEC plan?

(05-24-2023 08:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 12:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 11:23 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 09:52 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Order of likeliness:
1. Schools(s) fight GoR in court
2. Everyone waits until 2036ish (yes, expansion)
3. Everyone waits until 2036ish (no, expansion)
4. League is dissolved
5. ESPN renegotiates
6. Any option including Notre Dame as a football member

New-to-me tidbit: Swarbrick wasn't even at the meeting.

(Notre Dame isn't joining)

Why would they, when they are permitted to operate outside the rules.

What "rules" are they operating outside of?

No Indy teams will ever be considered for CFP except ND. They are allowed to come to the table as their own conference. Why dont Army and UConn have singular conference votes?