(05-24-2023 08:30 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I vote aliens!

"I for one welcome our new Alien overlords."

(05-24-2023 12:03 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 12:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 11:23 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 09:52 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Order of likeliness:
1. Schools(s) fight GoR in court
2. Everyone waits until 2036ish (yes, expansion)
3. Everyone waits until 2036ish (no, expansion)
4. League is dissolved
5. ESPN renegotiates
6. Any option including Notre Dame as a football member

New-to-me tidbit: Swarbrick wasn't even at the meeting.

(Notre Dame isn't joining)

Why would they, when they are permitted to operate outside the rules.

What "rules" are they operating outside of?

No Indy teams will ever be considered for CFP except ND. They are allowed to come to the table as their own conference. Why dont Army and UConn have singular conference votes?

The other indies would be considered if they are good enough. ND still has to earn their spot - they don't get an autobid like they would as a conference champ.

(05-24-2023 12:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 12:03 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 12:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 11:23 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  New-to-me tidbit: Swarbrick wasn't even at the meeting.

(Notre Dame isn't joining)

Why would they, when they are permitted to operate outside the rules.

What "rules" are they operating outside of?

No Indy teams will ever be considered for CFP except ND. They are allowed to come to the table as their own conference. Why dont Army and UConn have singular conference votes?

The other indies would be considered if they are good enough. ND still has to earn their spot - they don't get an autobid like they would as a conference champ.

He has yet to cite an actual "rule" that ND supposedly "violates" or operates outside of its dictates.

(05-24-2023 12:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 12:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 12:03 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 12:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Why would they, when they are permitted to operate outside the rules.

What "rules" are they operating outside of?

No Indy teams will ever be considered for CFP except ND. They are allowed to come to the table as their own conference. Why dont Army and UConn have singular conference votes?

The other indies would be considered if they are good enough. ND still has to earn their spot - they don't get an autobid like they would as a conference champ.

He has yet to cite an actual "rule" that ND supposedly "violates" or operates outside of its dictates.

He isn't alone in wanting to make Notre Dame out to be a bad guy, even though there aren't any rules - even unwritten ones - that the Irish are violating. A lot of fans think that somehow they put one over on the ACC, when in fact the league probably benefits more from the arrangement than ND does. The ACC entered into that deal with their eyes wide open, and they wouldn't have done it if they didn't think it was good for them.

(05-24-2023 08:57 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

Not sure ESPN would be opposed to an ACC relocation plan with Greg Sankey taking in SEC/ESPN's preferred schools and Brett Yormark housing the rest in a rebranded "Coast to Coast" Big XII (Notre Dame's media situation can be resolved with ESPN and FOX horse trading).

IMO, a super-charged SEC and its accompanying network stretching from Virginia to Texas would, even at an elevated price point, be a big hit. For consumers and for advertisers

The Big 12 doesn’t want all those schools unless they can convince ESPN to pay them a lot more per school than ESPN currently pays them which, again, doesn’t make sense if you are ESPN.

The new incentive initiative that will begin during the 2024-25 academic year. More revenue for ACC teams that make NCAA Tourney & football playoff! Looks like the ACC M7 are happy that unequal revenue passed!

Link
https://theacc.com/news/2023/5/24/genera...tives.aspx

(05-24-2023 01:52 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The new incentive initiative that will begin during the 2024-25 academic year. More revenue for ACC teams that make NCAA Tourney & football playoff! Looks like the ACC M7 are happy that unequal revenue passed!

Link
https://theacc.com/news/2023/5/24/genera...tives.aspx

Okie dokie, the ACC is doomed eventually, congrats on surviving for now.

(05-24-2023 12:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 12:03 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 12:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 11:23 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  New-to-me tidbit: Swarbrick wasn't even at the meeting.

(Notre Dame isn't joining)

Why would they, when they are permitted to operate outside the rules.

What "rules" are they operating outside of?

No Indy teams will ever be considered for CFP except ND. They are allowed to come to the table as their own conference. Why dont Army and UConn have singular conference votes?

The other indies would be considered if they are good enough. ND still has to earn their spot - they don't get an autobid like they would as a conference champ.

ND is only really loosely independent, anyway. 5 ACC games plus USC, Navy, and a couple more P5s every year. Anybody who goes 11-1 with their schedule will be ihovering around the top 4.

(05-24-2023 01:54 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 01:52 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The new incentive initiative that will begin during the 2024-25 academic year. More revenue for ACC teams that make NCAA Tourney & football playoff! Looks like the ACC M7 are happy that unequal revenue passed!

Link
https://theacc.com/news/2023/5/24/genera...tives.aspx

Okie dokie, the ACC is doomed eventually, congrats on surviving for now.

In doomed do you mean the same way the ACC was doomed in 2012, the same way that the ACC would never get a Linear Network? SMFH

(05-24-2023 01:57 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 01:54 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 01:52 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The new incentive initiative that will begin during the 2024-25 academic year. More revenue for ACC teams that make NCAA Tourney & football playoff! Looks like the ACC M7 are happy that unequal revenue passed!

Link
https://theacc.com/news/2023/5/24/genera...tives.aspx

Okie dokie, the ACC is doomed eventually, congrats on surviving for now.

In doomed do you mean the same way the ACC was doomed in 2012, the same way that the ACC would never get a Linear Network? SMFH

You are aware that the only thing holding together this crap conference together is the GOR? If it was not in place, teams would flee. But enjoy it, short term W.

(05-24-2023 01:34 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:57 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

Not sure ESPN would be opposed to an ACC relocation plan with Greg Sankey taking in SEC/ESPN's preferred schools and Brett Yormark housing the rest in a rebranded "Coast to Coast" Big XII (Notre Dame's media situation can be resolved with ESPN and FOX horse trading).

IMO, a super-charged SEC and its accompanying network stretching from Virginia to Texas would, even at an elevated price point, be a big hit. For consumers and for advertisers

The Big 12 doesn’t want all those schools unless they can convince ESPN to pay them a lot more per school than ESPN currently pays them which, again, doesn’t make sense if you are ESPN.

They Big 12 would take them at pro rata. They open up new markets to the conference which hopes to stretch from coast to coast (Yormark's words not mine) and a conference network would NET the Big 12 schools between 7 to 10 million more each with the scope of the markets and the number of members. And ESPN has the LHN on their hands and ready to be used.

The concept of the third conference was not that it would make exponentially more by additions, but that it would remain viable, competitive, and with access. It is and will be a conference that pays out in the mid to high 30 million range, maybe hitting 40. The gap closer is found in utilizing means not presently employed. A T3 conference network is one such thing.

(05-24-2023 01:52 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The new incentive initiative that will begin during the 2024-25 academic year. More revenue for ACC teams that make NCAA Tourney & football playoff! Looks like the ACC M7 are happy that unequal revenue passed!

Link
https://theacc.com/news/2023/5/24/genera...tives.aspx

So what's that do? MAYBE get Clemson and FSU a couple million closer to their SEC counterparts. That doesn't address the problem.

(05-24-2023 01:54 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 01:52 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The new incentive initiative that will begin during the 2024-25 academic year. More revenue for ACC teams that make NCAA Tourney & football playoff! Looks like the ACC M7 are happy that unequal revenue passed!

Link
https://theacc.com/news/2023/5/24/genera...tives.aspx

Okie dokie, the ACC is doomed eventually, congrats on surviving for now.

Thank you, Notre Dame, for continuing to be a valuable member of the ACC!

(05-24-2023 01:54 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 01:52 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The new incentive initiative that will begin during the 2024-25 academic year. More revenue for ACC teams that make NCAA Tourney & football playoff! Looks like the ACC M7 are happy that unequal revenue passed!

Link
https://theacc.com/news/2023/5/24/genera...tives.aspx

Okie dokie, the ACC is doomed eventually, congrats on surviving for now.

You should look on the bright side. Notre Dame can continue to do what they are doing without having to make any changes.

(05-24-2023 04:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 01:54 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 01:52 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The new incentive initiative that will begin during the 2024-25 academic year. More revenue for ACC teams that make NCAA Tourney & football playoff! Looks like the ACC M7 are happy that unequal revenue passed!

Link
https://theacc.com/news/2023/5/24/genera...tives.aspx

Okie dokie, the ACC is doomed eventually, congrats on surviving for now.

You should look on the bright side. Notre Dame can continue to do what they are doing without having to make any changes.

I loathe the ACC, but yes, we get to continue on.

(05-24-2023 12:44 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 12:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 12:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 12:03 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  What "rules" are they operating outside of?

No Indy teams will ever be considered for CFP except ND. They are allowed to come to the table as their own conference. Why dont Army and UConn have singular conference votes?

The other indies would be considered if they are good enough. ND still has to earn their spot - they don't get an autobid like they would as a conference champ.

He has yet to cite an actual "rule" that ND supposedly "violates" or operates outside of its dictates.

He isn't alone in wanting to make Notre Dame out to be a bad guy, even though there aren't any rules - even unwritten ones - that the Irish are violating. A lot of fans think that somehow they put one over on the ACC, when in fact the league probably benefits more from the arrangement than ND does. The ACC entered into that deal with their eyes wide open, and they wouldn't have done it if they didn't think it was good for them.

There are pros and cons. The ACC/UND definitely benefit financially, but UND could get that from any non-P2 conference of their choosing. UND isn't breaking any rules. The ACC gives them an equal vote on everything non-football and an equal ACCN share, which probably irks some of the other schools. UND gives 5 schools per year a lot of eyeballs in football. It's like having a significant other that you're heads-over-heels about but that won't commit...there are benefits but also still a lot left to be desired. UND will play the field until they no longer find that viable.

(05-24-2023 12:44 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 12:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 12:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 12:03 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  What "rules" are they operating outside of?

No Indy teams will ever be considered for CFP except ND. They are allowed to come to the table as their own conference. Why dont Army and UConn have singular conference votes?

The other indies would be considered if they are good enough. ND still has to earn their spot - they don't get an autobid like they would as a conference champ.

He has yet to cite an actual "rule" that ND supposedly "violates" or operates outside of its dictates.

He isn't alone in wanting to make Notre Dame out to be a bad guy, even though there aren't any rules - even unwritten ones - that the Irish are violating. A lot of fans think that somehow they put one over on the ACC, when in fact the league probably benefits more from the arrangement than ND does. The ACC entered into that deal with their eyes wide open, and they wouldn't have done it if they didn't think it was good for them.

Just like that GoR that they signed, or that SEC invite that Clemson didn’t want 30 years ago, or Borden’s admission in 2015 that he preferred the ACC when they joined a conference bc it offered an easier road to a Title.

(05-24-2023 01:34 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:57 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

Not sure ESPN would be opposed to an ACC relocation plan with Greg Sankey taking in SEC/ESPN's preferred schools and Brett Yormark housing the rest in a rebranded "Coast to Coast" Big XII (Notre Dame's media situation can be resolved with ESPN and FOX horse trading).

IMO, a super-charged SEC and its accompanying network stretching from Virginia to Texas would, even at an elevated price point, be a big hit. For consumers and for advertisers

The Big 12 doesn’t want all those schools unless they can convince ESPN to pay them a lot more per school than ESPN currently pays them which, again, doesn’t make sense if you are ESPN.

If I were n the big 12, I’d be in favor of a strong network like the ACCN and the enhanced stability offered by a combination of the best non P2 schools. Right now, there is a very real chance that we transition into a P3 or P4, with 2 tiers within that P status, and there’s no guarantee that everyone makes the cut. I’d bet that the new big 12 schools, and Iowa st, WV, and KSU, would all be quite please to add 2/3 of the ACC. One alternative if they block ACC additions is a gradual erosion and decline once again of the big 12 as the Pac and ACC siphon off their best teams. The Pac showed us the folly of not capitalizing when your rival is weak, I’d wager that the big 12 won’t make that same mistake if the opportunity presents itself.

(05-24-2023 01:59 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 01:57 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 01:54 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 01:52 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The new incentive initiative that will begin during the 2024-25 academic year. More revenue for ACC teams that make NCAA Tourney & football playoff! Looks like the ACC M7 are happy that unequal revenue passed!

Link
https://theacc.com/news/2023/5/24/genera...tives.aspx

Okie dokie, the ACC is doomed eventually, congrats on surviving for now.

In doomed do you mean the same way the ACC was doomed in 2012, the same way that the ACC would never get a Linear Network? SMFH

You are aware that the only thing holding together this crap conference together is the GOR? If it was not in place, teams would flee. But enjoy it, short term W.

Short term wins can save a conference from completely folding, just look at the B12. Everyone knows eventually they'll take a hit.

(05-24-2023 07:29 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 01:34 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:57 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 08:08 AM)Realigned Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC needs to be talking with ESPN about a negotiated merger with The SEC or negotiated end to The ACC GOR.

How does that benefit ESPN who has both conferences locked up for the next decade? That could be a discussion in 2032, but who knows what college sports will be like then?

Not sure ESPN would be opposed to an ACC relocation plan with Greg Sankey taking in SEC/ESPN's preferred schools and Brett Yormark housing the rest in a rebranded "Coast to Coast" Big XII (Notre Dame's media situation can be resolved with ESPN and FOX horse trading).

IMO, a super-charged SEC and its accompanying network stretching from Virginia to Texas would, even at an elevated price point, be a big hit. For consumers and for advertisers

The Big 12 doesn’t want all those schools unless they can convince ESPN to pay them a lot more per school than ESPN currently pays them which, again, doesn’t make sense if you are ESPN.

If I were n the big 12, I’d be in favor of a strong network like the ACCN and the enhanced stability offered by a combination of the best non P2 schools.

Then they better start working the phones and polishing up their applications to the ACC. Ain't no ACC Network without the ACC. Comcast, Charter etc aren't going to accept a switcheroo.

Quote: Right now, there is a very real chance that we transition into a P3 or P4, with 2 tiers within that P status, and there’s no guarantee that everyone makes the cut. I’d bet that the new big 12 schools, and Iowa st, WV, and KSU, would all be quite please to add 2/3 of the ACC. One alternative if they block ACC additions is a gradual erosion and decline once again of the big 12 as the Pac and ACC siphon off their best teams. The Pac showed us the folly of not capitalizing when your rival is weak, I’d wager that the big 12 won’t make that same mistake if the opportunity presents itself.