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(05-25-2023 01:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 07:58 PM)ess Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 07:21 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  But the Greenwald types who are so rabidly against government institutions, while employing the broadest of paint brushes against their 'opponents' while cozying up to conspiracy theorists, are too out there for me.

"Greenwald types"

Is your use of that phrase meant to be pejorative?

What (specifically) did Greenwald do or say to make you think he is "rabidly against government institutions".

Historically, he's been closer to a socialist than any other political persuasion (economically).

That hasn't changed.

Where/when (specifically) did he "employ the broadest of paint brushes"?

He's been precise and targeted with all of his criticisms.

You on the other hand, are vague with your accusations and labels.

While ignoring the specifics of his thesis

His point....Democrats are (commonly) now aligned with the Neocons.

They are pro:

War
CIA
FBI
Statism
Authoritarianism
Censorship
Merging of state and corporate power.

Where have the old progressives all gone?

Huh? Democrats aren't the ones banning books and preventing teachers from teaching anything other than what some wingnut parents, who haven't cracked a book other than a bible since high school, want them to teach. And there's only one party that nominated and elected someone who tried to stay in office for life. And who want him to be President again even though he tried to overthrow a free and fair election. Cons want that - Democrats do not.

And Democrats are no more in favor of war than most Republicans (except the isolationists). We didn't invade Iraq because of Democrats, and Democrats aren't the ones that wanted to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan forever. Obama got us out of Iraq and Biden got us out of Afghanistan, despite the political hit that required.

The progressives are still around. They're part of the group that is loudly pro-choice, anti-gerrymandering, anti-voter-suppression-laws, anti-right-wing-Supreme Court, anti-NRA, etc.

There was so much to unpack in his post that I didn't have the energy to pick it apart yesterday, lol.

But I did ask him his political stance because if ess is a hard-core Libertarian (wouldn't surprise me based on some of the posts), I could see him "both sides-ing" that list.

(05-25-2023 01:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 07:58 PM)ess Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 07:21 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  But the Greenwald types who are so rabidly against government institutions, while employing the broadest of paint brushes against their 'opponents' while cozying up to conspiracy theorists, are too out there for me.

"Greenwald types"

Is your use of that phrase meant to be pejorative?

What (specifically) did Greenwald do or say to make you think he is "rabidly against government institutions".

Historically, he's been closer to a socialist than any other political persuasion (economically).

That hasn't changed.

Where/when (specifically) did he "employ the broadest of paint brushes"?

He's been precise and targeted with all of his criticisms.

You on the other hand, are vague with your accusations and labels.

While ignoring the specifics of his thesis

His point....Democrats are (commonly) now aligned with the Neocons.

They are pro:

War
CIA
FBI
Statism
Authoritarianism
Censorship
Merging of state and corporate power.

Where have the old progressives all gone?

Huh? Democrats aren't the ones banning books and preventing teachers from teaching anything other than what some wingnut parents, who haven't cracked a book other than a bible since high school, want them to teach. And there's only one party that nominated and elected someone who tried to stay in office for life. And who want him to be President again even though he tried to overthrow a free and fair election. Cons want that - Democrats do not.

And Democrats are no more in favor of war than most Republicans (except the isolationists). We didn't invade Iraq because of Democrats, and Democrats aren't the ones that wanted to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan forever. Obama got us out of Iraq and Biden got us out of Afghanistan, despite the political hit that required.

The progressives are still around. They're part of the group that is loudly pro-choice, anti-gerrymandering, anti-voter-suppression-laws, anti-right-wing-Supreme Court, anti-NRA, etc.

They're out buying their tuck-it swimwear for the season

(05-29-2023 09:55 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 07:58 PM)ess Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 07:21 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  But the Greenwald types who are so rabidly against government institutions, while employing the broadest of paint brushes against their 'opponents' while cozying up to conspiracy theorists, are too out there for me.

"Greenwald types"

Is your use of that phrase meant to be pejorative?

What (specifically) did Greenwald do or say to make you think he is "rabidly against government institutions".

Historically, he's been closer to a socialist than any other political persuasion (economically).

That hasn't changed.

Where/when (specifically) did he "employ the broadest of paint brushes"?

He's been precise and targeted with all of his criticisms.

You on the other hand, are vague with your accusations and labels.

While ignoring the specifics of his thesis

His point....Democrats are (commonly) now aligned with the Neocons.

They are pro:

War
CIA
FBI
Statism
Authoritarianism
Censorship
Merging of state and corporate power.

Where have the old progressives all gone?

Huh? Democrats aren't the ones banning books and preventing teachers from teaching anything other than what some wingnut parents, who haven't cracked a book other than a bible since high school, want them to teach. And there's only one party that nominated and elected someone who tried to stay in office for life. And who want him to be President again even though he tried to overthrow a free and fair election. Cons want that - Democrats do not.

And Democrats are no more in favor of war than most Republicans (except the isolationists). We didn't invade Iraq because of Democrats, and Democrats aren't the ones that wanted to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan forever. Obama got us out of Iraq and Biden got us out of Afghanistan, despite the political hit that required.

The progressives are still around. They're part of the group that is loudly pro-choice, anti-gerrymandering, anti-voter-suppression-laws, anti-right-wing-Supreme Court, anti-NRA, etc.

They're out buying their tuck-it swimwear for the season

The MAGA obsession with this small segment of society who harm no one is truly mind boggling.

(05-29-2023 12:24 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 09:55 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 07:58 PM)ess Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 07:21 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  But the Greenwald types who are so rabidly against government institutions, while employing the broadest of paint brushes against their 'opponents' while cozying up to conspiracy theorists, are too out there for me.

"Greenwald types"

Is your use of that phrase meant to be pejorative?

What (specifically) did Greenwald do or say to make you think he is "rabidly against government institutions".

Historically, he's been closer to a socialist than any other political persuasion (economically).

That hasn't changed.

Where/when (specifically) did he "employ the broadest of paint brushes"?

He's been precise and targeted with all of his criticisms.

You on the other hand, are vague with your accusations and labels.

While ignoring the specifics of his thesis

His point....Democrats are (commonly) now aligned with the Neocons.

They are pro:

War
CIA
FBI
Statism
Authoritarianism
Censorship
Merging of state and corporate power.

Where have the old progressives all gone?

Huh? Democrats aren't the ones banning books and preventing teachers from teaching anything other than what some wingnut parents, who haven't cracked a book other than a bible since high school, want them to teach. And there's only one party that nominated and elected someone who tried to stay in office for life. And who want him to be President again even though he tried to overthrow a free and fair election. Cons want that - Democrats do not.

And Democrats are no more in favor of war than most Republicans (except the isolationists). We didn't invade Iraq because of Democrats, and Democrats aren't the ones that wanted to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan forever. Obama got us out of Iraq and Biden got us out of Afghanistan, despite the political hit that required.

The progressives are still around. They're part of the group that is loudly pro-choice, anti-gerrymandering, anti-voter-suppression-laws, anti-right-wing-Supreme Court, anti-NRA, etc.

They're out buying their tuck-it swimwear for the season

The MAGA obsession with this small segment of society who harm no one is truly mind boggling.

Harm no one, like the Covenant School shooting in Green Hills.

(05-29-2023 01:01 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 12:24 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 09:55 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 07:58 PM)ess Wrote:  "Greenwald types"

Is your use of that phrase meant to be pejorative?

What (specifically) did Greenwald do or say to make you think he is "rabidly against government institutions".

Historically, he's been closer to a socialist than any other political persuasion (economically).

That hasn't changed.

Where/when (specifically) did he "employ the broadest of paint brushes"?

He's been precise and targeted with all of his criticisms.

You on the other hand, are vague with your accusations and labels.

While ignoring the specifics of his thesis

His point....Democrats are (commonly) now aligned with the Neocons.

They are pro:

War
CIA
FBI
Statism
Authoritarianism
Censorship
Merging of state and corporate power.

Where have the old progressives all gone?

Huh? Democrats aren't the ones banning books and preventing teachers from teaching anything other than what some wingnut parents, who haven't cracked a book other than a bible since high school, want them to teach. And there's only one party that nominated and elected someone who tried to stay in office for life. And who want him to be President again even though he tried to overthrow a free and fair election. Cons want that - Democrats do not.

And Democrats are no more in favor of war than most Republicans (except the isolationists). We didn't invade Iraq because of Democrats, and Democrats aren't the ones that wanted to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan forever. Obama got us out of Iraq and Biden got us out of Afghanistan, despite the political hit that required.

The progressives are still around. They're part of the group that is loudly pro-choice, anti-gerrymandering, anti-voter-suppression-laws, anti-right-wing-Supreme Court, anti-NRA, etc.

They're out buying their tuck-it swimwear for the season

The MAGA obsession with this small segment of society who harm no one is truly mind boggling.

Harm no one, like the Covenant School shooting in Green Hills.

You really care about school shootings? Why vote for Republicans then? Because it's painfully obvious that they find school shootings perfectly acceptable.

On top of that, I can imagine the kind of bullying and ostracization that a bunch of Christian kids - and their teachers - would have inflicted on the eventual shooter. At that point the kid had the motivation - then all he needed was a gun, and Republicans make sure that it's easy for him to get one. And who are the idiots that thought it would be a good idea to send a trans kid to a Christian school of all places?

(05-29-2023 01:53 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 01:01 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 12:24 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 09:55 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Huh? Democrats aren't the ones banning books and preventing teachers from teaching anything other than what some wingnut parents, who haven't cracked a book other than a bible since high school, want them to teach. And there's only one party that nominated and elected someone who tried to stay in office for life. And who want him to be President again even though he tried to overthrow a free and fair election. Cons want that - Democrats do not.

And Democrats are no more in favor of war than most Republicans (except the isolationists). We didn't invade Iraq because of Democrats, and Democrats aren't the ones that wanted to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan forever. Obama got us out of Iraq and Biden got us out of Afghanistan, despite the political hit that required.

The progressives are still around. They're part of the group that is loudly pro-choice, anti-gerrymandering, anti-voter-suppression-laws, anti-right-wing-Supreme Court, anti-NRA, etc.

They're out buying their tuck-it swimwear for the season

The MAGA obsession with this small segment of society who harm no one is truly mind boggling.

Harm no one, like the Covenant School shooting in Green Hills.

You really care about school shootings? Why vote for Republicans then? Because it's painfully obvious that they find school shootings perfectly acceptable.

On top of that, I can imagine the kind of bullying and ostracization that a bunch of Christian kids - and their teachers - would have inflicted on the eventual shooter. At that point the kid had the motivation - then all he needed was a gun, and Republicans make sure that it's easy for him to get one. And who are the idiots that thought it would be a good idea to send a trans kid to a Christian school of all places?

He doesn't care. This is just to justify his biases. The TV or megachurch he goes to tells him these people are the enemy and he will happily go along.

(05-29-2023 01:01 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 12:24 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 09:55 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 07:58 PM)ess Wrote:  "Greenwald types"

Is your use of that phrase meant to be pejorative?

What (specifically) did Greenwald do or say to make you think he is "rabidly against government institutions".

Historically, he's been closer to a socialist than any other political persuasion (economically).

That hasn't changed.

Where/when (specifically) did he "employ the broadest of paint brushes"?

He's been precise and targeted with all of his criticisms.

You on the other hand, are vague with your accusations and labels.

While ignoring the specifics of his thesis

His point....Democrats are (commonly) now aligned with the Neocons.

They are pro:

War
CIA
FBI
Statism
Authoritarianism
Censorship
Merging of state and corporate power.

Where have the old progressives all gone?

Huh? Democrats aren't the ones banning books and preventing teachers from teaching anything other than what some wingnut parents, who haven't cracked a book other than a bible since high school, want them to teach. And there's only one party that nominated and elected someone who tried to stay in office for life. And who want him to be President again even though he tried to overthrow a free and fair election. Cons want that - Democrats do not.

And Democrats are no more in favor of war than most Republicans (except the isolationists). We didn't invade Iraq because of Democrats, and Democrats aren't the ones that wanted to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan forever. Obama got us out of Iraq and Biden got us out of Afghanistan, despite the political hit that required.

The progressives are still around. They're part of the group that is loudly pro-choice, anti-gerrymandering, anti-voter-suppression-laws, anti-right-wing-Supreme Court, anti-NRA, etc.

They're out buying their tuck-it swimwear for the season

The MAGA obsession with this small segment of society who harm no one is truly mind boggling.

Harm no one, like the Covenant School shooting in Green Hills.

Does that justify hating all transgender people in your view?

(05-29-2023 02:26 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 01:01 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 12:24 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 09:55 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Huh? Democrats aren't the ones banning books and preventing teachers from teaching anything other than what some wingnut parents, who haven't cracked a book other than a bible since high school, want them to teach. And there's only one party that nominated and elected someone who tried to stay in office for life. And who want him to be President again even though he tried to overthrow a free and fair election. Cons want that - Democrats do not.

And Democrats are no more in favor of war than most Republicans (except the isolationists). We didn't invade Iraq because of Democrats, and Democrats aren't the ones that wanted to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan forever. Obama got us out of Iraq and Biden got us out of Afghanistan, despite the political hit that required.

The progressives are still around. They're part of the group that is loudly pro-choice, anti-gerrymandering, anti-voter-suppression-laws, anti-right-wing-Supreme Court, anti-NRA, etc.

They're out buying their tuck-it swimwear for the season

The MAGA obsession with this small segment of society who harm no one is truly mind boggling.

Harm no one, like the Covenant School shooting in Green Hills.

Does that justify hating all transgender people in your view?

I have several transgender and partially transgender friends. One couple just sent me photos after relocating out West to be near family. Some are strong activists, some not.