(05-17-2023 01:14 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  I, like yourself, agree that we need to unify as a conference so that we can grow and become a stable conference.

As a conference? Or as a conference message board?

Because I'm not sure I see how a strong argument (for or against) inviting EKU or moving the basketball tournament or WAC scheduling alliances or how many teams make the baseball conference tournament is going have much affect on the field (or the bottom line). Even if every poster here was on board (or against) any of those things, they're either going to happen (or not happen) no matter how we feel about it.

We won't be stable. I don't see a way for that to happen (and that can be good or bad anyway).

(05-17-2023 01:57 PM)inutech Wrote:  We won't be stable. I don't see a way for that to happen (and that can be good or bad anyway).

Let's face it... in 2023, no one is stable. Not even the Power 2.

(05-17-2023 01:57 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 01:14 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  I, like yourself, agree that we need to unify as a conference so that we can grow and become a stable conference.

As a conference? Or as a conference message board?

Because I'm not sure I see how a strong argument (for or against) inviting EKU or moving the basketball tournament or WAC scheduling alliances or how many teams make the baseball conference tournament is going have much affect on the field (or the bottom line). Even if every poster here was on board (or against) any of those things, they're either going to happen (or not happen) no matter how we feel about it.

We won't be stable. I don't see a way for that to happen (and that can be good or bad anyway).

I’m talking about the actual conference. I know that on any conference message board that 10 people will probably have 10 different thoughts or ideas. I know that there’s the occasional banter between posters. But most enjoy the discussions, even if there’s disagreement. Most enjoy talking about the “what ifs.” I’m talking about unity with the actual people who make the decisions for the conference. The ones who actually decide if we expand or not. In this crazy world of realignment, does unity guarantee 100% stability? No, but it sure doesn’t hurt. It does help it to be less unstable. As you said, our thoughts or wishes as posters have absolutely no bearing on what decisions will be made. But it’s still fun for most to speculate.

You can still count on two things:

Death and taxes.

(05-17-2023 01:21 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 01:14 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 09:53 AM)JJOHN368 Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 08:48 AM)whupemall Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 09:17 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  As a JSU fan I very happy to be in CUSA and prefer it over SBC. WKU, Middle and soon KSU is a better line up for us than troy and whoever in the SBC. KSU gives us an outlet in the ATL (GSU would do the same). Middle would give us an outlet in TN and the SBC doesn't. In the perfect world we would have an OOC game with tory to give us a South Alabama game. The old school bell game will happen at some point because troy could use a North Alabama game, too. South as stated has no history with JSU and neither of us are big student recruiters in either areas. The difference would be games in Florida, TN, NM and Kentucky vs games in NC, Mississippi, WV and SC.

Purely from a recruiting standpoint, the exposure opportunities are definitely much better for Jax State in CUSA than the SBC. I'll admit Ga Southern is a better draw for south Georgia than Kennesaw ever will be, but that's countered by the presence of a south Florida school in CUSA, which SBC doesn't offer. My only wish is that FIU was located more in the central-to-northern part of the state of Florida. (Selfishly, a location right about in Destin would be epic.)

From a fan standpoint, ultimately, our fans just want to know the teams we're playing. Jax State fans have been mostly starved of that since leaving D-II back in the early 90s.

The Gamecocks have Coastal, Ga Southern, and Southern Miss on the future schedule now. While none of those are rivals, they're all very well-known regional schools. I think that's the key to happiness for Jax State fans.

If we can eventually get one or both of our in-state rivals back on the nonconference schedule -- assuming CUSA continues to rebound well from its near-death experience last year -- most Gamecock fans will grow to be very happy here. Like you, Gem, I'm more optimistic than most.

I agree with you on being in the same conference again. I think that KSU and JSU have a really good rivalry developing. We have had some great games against each other. However, and with all bias aside, I think that KSU will be more enticing to recruits further around Georgia now we are playing in FBS. I do think that JSU getting a foot in the North Metro Atlanta recruit market with KSU being in the conference will easily counter anything yall are missing from south Georgia. I think North Metro Atlanta's overall recruiting talent is better than south Georgia and on par if not slightly better than south Florida. But, I think yall have a really good thing going right now, so keep the course. On a side note note, and more related to the topic, I do believe that instead of talking about where we would go "if" we need to be talking about the future of the conference an brainstorming, how to continue the rebuilding of CUSA back to what it was in the past. I really think the potential and future of the conference has a lot of upside. Especially fo rthe long time members of CUSA, I know it was not ideal for having to rebuild with a bunch of FCS schools. However, I believe that CUSA picked the programs with the most potential growth and benefit going for them out of the bunch. I am also happy as an alumnus that Liberty is finally in a conference which brings a lot of benefit to the conference. So, I think that we need to unify as a conference to growth and stabilize this thing and have a common goal to put the SBC (aka the SEC junior, well in their minds) in its place hahaha.

I am also glad that Liberty is now in a conference where we can benefit from things such as competing for conference championships in all sports. I, like yourself, agree that we need to unify as a conference so that we can grow and become a stable conference. I also believe the future of this conference has a lot of upside and potential. Hopefully becoming one of the top G5’s. But I’m sure that you’ve noticed that there’s at least a couple on this board that absolutely try to suck the life out of any mention of bettering this conference. I’ve tried to understand their objections, but I can’t come to any logical conclusion why they desire, what seems to me, failure. Or at least stagnation. As you mentioned, the SBC thinks of themselves as SEC Junior. But as humorously full of themselves as they are, they do seem united with a purpose of becoming the top G5. Unlike some here who seem to view CUSA as being on life support and they’re eagerly waiting to pull the plug. If unity and a desire to survive and grow doesn’t happen and that plug is pulled, hopefully Liberty ends up in a conference where all its members desire to be a united and successful conference.

I think those fans will come around. You have to understand the CUSA5 that remain here have seen Judy for awhile and they are skeptical of her abilities as a commissioner. I’d say the majority of hardcore CUSA5 fans are optimistic about the future and think this could work out well. However, there are a few that will need to see it before they start becoming optimistic (I’m not one of those people as I think this is going to be better than CUSA3.0).

Hopefully those who are skeptic will come around. I do understand the skepticism from what little that I’ve heard about the past. If there were a lineup of people and I didn’t know who Judy was, I’d say that she would probably be the last person that I would pick as a conference commissioner. I really don’t understand how she managed to even become commissioner. She just doesn’t fit the part. Another question for another day, I guess. But there have been some recent decisions by her that have been on the positive note. Hopefully she’s learned from past mistakes.

(05-17-2023 07:20 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  Hopefully those who are skeptic will come around. I do understand the skepticism from what little that I’ve heard about the past.

The skeptics do have good reason to be skeptical. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see CUSA's had a rough couple of years, from the old media deal through the most recent realignment. And as a diehard, nearly lifelong Jax State fan, I'll be the first to admit, seeing a conference over a 10-year span go from the likes of UCF, ECU, Houston, Marshall, SMU, and Southern Miss to Jacksonville State and Sam Houston State... well... again, it doesn't exactly take a brain surgeon to spot that downward trend.

That said, there's a difference between healthy skepticism (as our friends from Missouri would say, "Show me.") and outright unwillingness to believe anything good can ever possibly come from the remains of this once-great conference.

Those folks in the latter group are the best! If CUSA rebounds and becomes equal to or better than the Sun Belt East in football, becomes a solid two-bid mid-major conference in hoops, and gets other sports (including baseball) to a point where we have teams legitimately in the hunt for national championships, these people will act as if they were CUSA boosters from the beginning.

Anything less, and they'll be the first to say, "I told you so."

The AAC for KSU. That would be the only one since we have 2 SBC schools in Georgia. But it would be hard to get into the AAC. The AAC did not want Georgia State.

(05-18-2023 08:52 AM)jones682 Wrote:  The AAC did not want Georgia State.

Georgia State was a school that the AAC had on their short list.

Matt Brown reported September of 2021 - "Admins from GSU weren't interested in an invitation even though they were included on an initial list of 16 programs presented to AAC Presidents and the consulting firm that was assisting the league to navigate the rebuild of their conference."

Matt-Brown (@mattbrownep) - "Based on what I've been told right now, not only do I think Georgia State stands pat, I suspect they'd do so even if the AAC extended an invite. https://t.co/Iprdn2Pil0"

https://247sports.com/college/georgia-st...173428537/

(05-18-2023 09:09 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 08:52 AM)jones682 Wrote:  The AAC did not want Georgia State.

Georgia State was a school that the AAC had on their short list.

Matt Brown reported September of 2021 - "Admins from GSU weren't interested in an invitation even though they were included on an initial list of 16 programs presented to AAC Presidents and the consulting firm that was assisting the league to navigate the rebuild of their conference."

Matt-Brown (@mattbrownep) - "Based on what I've been told right now, not only do I think Georgia State stands pat, I suspect they'd do so even if the AAC extended an invite. https://t.co/Iprdn2Pil0"

https://247sports.com/college/georgia-st...173428537/

Georgia St will likely stay put but once KSU makes a name for itself in CUSA, the AAC will want them when they have an openinng and they would accept. Should be a few years down the road.

(05-18-2023 09:09 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 08:52 AM)jones682 Wrote:  The AAC did not want Georgia State.

Georgia State was a school that the AAC had on their short list.

Matt Brown reported September of 2021 - "Admins from GSU weren't interested in an invitation even though they were included on an initial list of 16 programs presented to AAC Presidents and the consulting firm that was assisting the league to navigate the rebuild of their conference."

Matt-Brown (@mattbrownep) - "Based on what I've been told right now, not only do I think Georgia State stands pat, I suspect they'd do so even if the AAC extended an invite. https://t.co/Iprdn2Pil0"

https://247sports.com/college/georgia-st...173428537/

To my understanding, the AAC does not like to get schools where P5 are near them. Georgia Tech is 2 miles west of GSU. Houston is an expiation because of the size of the city. GSU budget would also be very low for an AAC school, however, FAU and ctu is low as well but they gain better support.

It is also hard to believe that GSU would turn down an invite or not be interested in the AAC because the AAC buy out is higher than the SBC but keep in mind that Ben Moore wrote the article.

(05-18-2023 11:51 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 09:09 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 08:52 AM)jones682 Wrote:  The AAC did not want Georgia State.

Georgia State was a school that the AAC had on their short list.

Matt Brown reported September of 2021 - "Admins from GSU weren't interested in an invitation even though they were included on an initial list of 16 programs presented to AAC Presidents and the consulting firm that was assisting the league to navigate the rebuild of their conference."

Matt-Brown (@mattbrownep) - "Based on what I've been told right now, not only do I think Georgia State stands pat, I suspect they'd do so even if the AAC extended an invite. https://t.co/Iprdn2Pil0"

https://247sports.com/college/georgia-st...173428537/

To my understanding, the AAC does not like to get schools where P5 are near them. Georgia Tech is 2 miles west of GSU. Houston is an expiation because of the size of the city. GSU budget would also be very low for an AAC school, however, FAU and ctu is low as well but they gain better support.

It is also hard to believe that GSU would turn down an invite or not be interested in the AAC because the AAC buy out is higher than the SBC but keep in mind that Ben Moore wrote the article.

What?

Rice is in same market as Houston. What would size of the city have to do with it?

North Texas is in same market as TCU.

SMU is in same market as TCU.

FAU is in the same market as Miami.

Navy is in the same market as Maryland.

UAB is in the same market as Alabama.

I'm not sure where you heard the AAC doesn't want schools that are near P5's. That just doesn't add up. Regarding the article, the information that was received in it came directly from Matt Brown, who most here are aware of as being a reliable source for what's going on in the FBS. It's not something that was made up by a beat writer.

(05-18-2023 03:10 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  UAB isn't in the same market as Alabama, but those two are only a 50-55 minute drive apart.

Minor quibble here, but it needs to be said.

UAB and Bama are in the same market. In fact, so is Jax State.

The Birmingham DMA covers the entire width of the central part of the state, from Anniston to Tuscaloosa.

(05-18-2023 03:25 PM)whupemall Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 03:10 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  UAB isn't in the same market as Alabama, but those two are only a 50-55 minute drive apart.

Minor quibble here, but it needs to be said.

UAB and Bama are in the same market. In fact, so is Jax State.

The Birmingham DMA covers the entire width of the central part of the state, from Anniston to Tuscaloosa.

That's true. I guess they are all a part of the entire DMA area.

So again, I'm not real sure where jones gets the idea that the AAC doesn't want schools near P5 schools.

(05-18-2023 03:59 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 03:25 PM)whupemall Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 03:10 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  UAB isn't in the same market as Alabama, but those two are only a 50-55 minute drive apart.

Minor quibble here, but it needs to be said.

UAB and Bama are in the same market. In fact, so is Jax State.

The Birmingham DMA covers the entire width of the central part of the state, from Anniston to Tuscaloosa.

That's true. I guess they are all a part of the entire DMA area.

So again, I'm not real sure where jones gets the idea that the AAC doesn't want schools near P5 schools.

We’re not sure where Jones gets alot of his ideas.

(05-18-2023 03:10 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 11:51 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 09:09 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 08:52 AM)jones682 Wrote:  The AAC did not want Georgia State.

Georgia State was a school that the AAC had on their short list.

Matt Brown reported September of 2021 - "Admins from GSU weren't interested in an invitation even though they were included on an initial list of 16 programs presented to AAC Presidents and the consulting firm that was assisting the league to navigate the rebuild of their conference."

Matt-Brown (@mattbrownep) - "Based on what I've been told right now, not only do I think Georgia State stands pat, I suspect they'd do so even if the AAC extended an invite. https://t.co/Iprdn2Pil0"

https://247sports.com/college/georgia-st...173428537/

To my understanding, the AAC does not like to get schools where P5 are near them. Georgia Tech is 2 miles west of GSU. Houston is an expiation because of the size of the city. GSU budget would also be very low for an AAC school, however, FAU and ctu is low as well but they gain better support.

It is also hard to believe that GSU would turn down an invite or not be interested in the AAC because the AAC buy out is higher than the SBC but keep in mind that Ben Moore wrote the article.

What?

Rice is in same market as Houston. What would size of the city have to do with it?

North Texas is in same market as TCU.

SMU is in same market as TCU.

FAU is in the same market as Miami.

Navy is in the same market as Maryland.

UAB is in the same market as Alabama.

I'm not sure where you heard the AAC doesn't want schools that are near P5's. That just doesn't add up. Regarding the article, the information that was received in it came directly from Matt Brown, who most here are aware of as being a reliable source for what's going on in the FBS. It's not something that was made up by a beat writer.

Before you jump to conclusions, did you read what I said? Read the bold text.The the population of the city does matter because the larger the population, the larger the market value to where two teams can gain large enough market value and coexist. Atlanta market is not big enough to have a P5 and a high major in the same market ie Houston. That is one of the many reasons why GSU does not get support.

I also was referring to cities. North Texas (Dallas) is not in the same city as TCU (Fort Worth), SMU (Dallas) is not in the same city as TCU (Fort Worth), FAU (Boca Raton) is not in the same city as Miami, Navy is not in the same city as Maryland. None of the AAC schools are within a 2 miles radius of a P5 school and all of the AAC gain better support than GSU and have performed better than GSU in sports. GSU might be on the list of 16 however they did not make the list of 6.

IMHO Matt Brown is hit or miss, but Ben Moore wrote the 247 article.

2 mile, 50 miles, and heck even a hundred miles. Might as well all be the same here in Texas. Even San Antonio is dominated by UT and A&M despite UTSAs rise. Every school besides Texas Tech is under the shadow of those two, maybe even under OU in central and north Texas and LSU in east Texas.

(05-18-2023 09:09 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 08:52 AM)jones682 Wrote:  The AAC did not want Georgia State.

Georgia State was a school that the AAC had on their short list.

Matt Brown reported September of 2021 - "Admins from GSU weren't interested in an invitation even though they were included on an initial list of 16 programs presented to AAC Presidents and the consulting firm that was assisting the league to navigate the rebuild of their conference."

Matt-Brown (@mattbrownep) - "Based on what I've been told right now, not only do I think Georgia State stands pat, I suspect they'd do so even if the AAC extended an invite. https://t.co/Iprdn2Pil0"

https://247sports.com/college/georgia-st...173428537/

Things CHANGE. Georgia State would for sure take a strong look at an AAC invite.

--Especially YEARS after the quotes above. Say 2025? Only 19 months away. Time and circumstance may dictate different decisions.

(05-18-2023 07:54 PM)jones682 Wrote:  The the population of the city does matter because the larger the population, the larger the market value to where two teams can gain large enough market value and coexist. Atlanta market is not big enough to have a P5 and a high major in the same market ie Houston. That is one of the many reasons why GSU does not get support.

Really? The 8th-largest and one of the fastest growing metro's in the U.S. can't support a middling ACC school and a middling SBC school?

(05-18-2023 07:54 PM)jones682 Wrote:  I also was referring to cities. North Texas (Dallas) is not in the same city as TCU (Fort Worth), SMU (Dallas) is not in the same city as TCU (Fort Worth), FAU (Boca Raton) is not in the same city as Miami, Navy is not in the same city as Maryland.

You're referring to cities here, saying things like Navy/Maryland aren't in the same city. But then you talk about market value for each of them.

You do understand market value is based on an entire DMA, right? Not just a single city within it?

Do you really believe the AAC said "we want FAU and their Boca Raton market"... or did they probably say "we want FAU and their Miami market"?

(05-18-2023 07:54 PM)jones682 Wrote:  Atlanta market is not big enough to have a P5 and a high major in the same market ie Houston. That is one of the many reasons why GSU does not get support.

Georgia State doesn't get support because, frankly, their football has never done anything spectacular. It's the same problem Georgia Tech has... the same problem the Braves did have... which is ATL is a sports bandwagon town. The people will massively support whoever is winning big on the national stage.

You seem to just make up your own facts and conclusions. I know you're a KSU fan that doesn't like GSU... and that's fine... but come on.

(05-18-2023 11:43 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 07:54 PM)jones682 Wrote:  The the population of the city does matter because the larger the population, the larger the market value to where two teams can gain large enough market value and coexist. Atlanta market is not big enough to have a P5 and a high major in the same market ie Houston. That is one of the many reasons why GSU does not get support.

Really? The 8th-largest and one of the fastest growing metro's in the U.S. can't support a middling ACC school and a middling SBC school?

(05-18-2023 07:54 PM)jones682 Wrote:  I also was referring to cities. North Texas (Dallas) is not in the same city as TCU (Fort Worth), SMU (Dallas) is not in the same city as TCU (Fort Worth), FAU (Boca Raton) is not in the same city as Miami, Navy is not in the same city as Maryland.

You're referring to cities here, saying things like Navy/Maryland aren't in the same city. But then you talk about market value for each of them.

You do understand market value is based on an entire DMA, right? Not just a single city within it?

Do you really believe the AAC said "we want FAU and their Boca Raton market"... or did they probably say "we want FAU and their Miami market"?

Each city command's its own market. You are naming schools that are outside of the market you think they are in. For example Kennesaw State is not in the Atlanta market. KSU is in the Metro Atlanta market. FAU is not in the Miami market, it is in the Metro Miami market. TCU commands the Fort Worth market, UT and A&M commands the Dallas market. That is why TCU was referred to as a small school because it has a small fanbase compared to the other P5 teams because it commands majority of the Fort Worth market and that is it. UNT is in the DFW metro market etc. FAU is almost and hour away from Miami. Macon is an hour away from Atlanta. By your logic Mercer is in the Atlanta market. No it is not. There is a difference between the Metro markets and the city markets.

(05-18-2023 07:54 PM)jones682 Wrote:  Atlanta market is not big enough to have a P5 and a high major in the same market ie Houston. That is one of the many reasons why GSU does not get support.

Georgia State doesn't get support because, frankly, their football has never done anything spectacular. It's the same problem Georgia Tech has... the same problem the Braves did have... which is ATL is a sports bandwagon town. The people will massively support whoever is winning big on the national stage.

That is one of the reasons why GSU does not get support, however, it is not the main reason. GSU does not command the market. GT and UGA command the Atlanta market. GSU is good in basketball and has been for years (the best in Georgia) and gain very little support. When GT was good at basketball, the had alot of support because they command the market they are in. GSU makes up at best 2% of the Atlanta market.

You seem to just make up your own facts and conclusions. I know you're a KSU fan that doesn't like GSU... and that's fine... but come on.

I am not making up anything, these are facts. If you don't command a market and you are a commuter school, you will gain very little support. GSU had 4 winning seasons and still gain little support. Nothing against GSU, KSU is the same way except KSU had success in football.

UGA fans are not going to turn into GSU fans.

(05-19-2023 02:26 AM)jones682 Wrote:  Each city command's its own market. You are naming schools that are outside of the market you think they are in.

No. It's all one market. I don't think you know how media markets work. No one observes a media market as a singular city within it. What your saying just doesn't make sense.

I'd love to know where you get this idea that a school like Boca Raton (FAU) is actually outside of the Miami media market. Separate city? Yes. Separate market? No.

(05-19-2023 02:26 AM)jones682 Wrote:  Macon is an hour away from Atlanta. By your logic Mercer is in the Atlanta market. No it is not. There is a difference between the Metro markets and the city markets.

LOL you don't even have that correct. Macon is its own DMA. 83 miles from Atlanta. It's not even remotely considered a part of Atlanta's DMA. Good grief.