(05-09-2023 03:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:50 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

An interesting observation. As with college hoops, I use the terms "power" and "major" to describe leagues — and not individual programs. In other words, there are some programs that will be members of the two future "power" leagues (for example, the Vanderbilt football program for which I cheer) that are no more "power" individually than lots of the football programs that will end up in the M3 (or M2 or M1). But, and in this case, VU will benefit (and unfairly so in some respects, I admit) from its SEC (i.e., P2) membership.

Tulane and GT could have also benefited from their SEC membership if they hadn't left way back when. I don't begrudge Vandy's position in the SEC, and we both know that they could decide tomorrow to really COMPETE and they'd become a handful for any SEC team in short order.

You're darn tootin'.

(05-09-2023 03:02 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

edit: here's the letter:

https://theamerican.org/news/2023/5/9/fo...nding.aspx

My response to his rant would be: start making as much as the 5th best of the old P5 does in their media rights agreement, or at least more than 1/10th of what they make, and maybe you can change the conversation.

I want to say quo vadis was the first person to use the M3 designation awhile back. Like you, I'm pretty sure McMurphy got it from here and from quo vadis.

We should ask him, I know that I started using it a long time ago, but I might have just gotten the idea from quo. I can't be bothered to look it up, it would take someone like McMurphy or perhaps Aresco to get more mainstream adoption anyway.

(05-09-2023 03:07 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Also, I’ve said for years McMurphy either reads or posts on this board. He has tweeted things that have followed various theses that were current at the time.

You think? He posted on twitter that "David Street" was a likely candidate for the open B1G Commissioner position when Warren announced he was going to the Bears a few months ago.

(05-09-2023 02:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

edit: here's the letter:

https://theamerican.org/news/2023/5/9/fo...nding.aspx

My response to his rant would be: start making as much as the 5th best of the old P5 does in their media rights agreement, or at least more than 1/10th of what they make, and maybe you can change the conversation.

The M stands for Mezzanine!

(05-09-2023 02:52 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  H$2
M$2
L$5
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H$$$$2
M$$3
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(05-09-2023 03:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 03:02 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

edit: here's the letter:

https://theamerican.org/news/2023/5/9/fo...nding.aspx

My response to his rant would be: start making as much as the 5th best of the old P5 does in their media rights agreement, or at least more than 1/10th of what they make, and maybe you can change the conversation.

I want to say quo vadis was the first person to use the M3 designation awhile back. Like you, I'm pretty sure McMurphy got it from here and from quo vadis.

We should ask him, I know that I started using it a long time ago, but I might have just gotten the idea from quo. I can't be bothered to look it up, it would take someone like McMurphy or perhaps Aresco to get more mainstream adoption anyway.

Wahoowa84 said it first according to the search engine

https://csnbbs.com/thread-949028-post-18...id18274290

Thread title: P4 will never happen
06-15-2022 10:54 AM

(05-09-2023 03:28 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 03:07 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Also, I’ve said for years McMurphy either reads or posts on this board. He has tweeted things that have followed various theses that were current at the time.

You think? He posted on twitter that "David Street" was a likely candidate for the open B1G Commissioner position when Warren announced he was going to the Bears a few months ago.

Could McMurphy be referring to another David Street who was in the running?

(05-09-2023 02:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

edit: here's the letter:

https://theamerican.org/news/2023/5/9/fo...nding.aspx

My response to his rant would be: start making as much as the 5th best of the old P5 does in their media rights agreement, or at least more than 1/10th of what they make, and maybe you can change the conversation.

Its a fair point. It is an unnecessary drag. But man, he needs to learn how to be more succinct. Will anybody read the whole letter?

(05-09-2023 03:28 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 03:07 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Also, I’ve said for years McMurphy either reads or posts on this board. He has tweeted things that have followed various theses that were current at the time.

You think? He posted on twitter that "David Street" was a likely candidate for the open B1G Commissioner position when Warren announced he was going to the Bears a few months ago.

He also tweeted before about a media consultant from Russellville, AR.

(05-09-2023 03:02 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:06 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

This board has predicted the Power 2 designation for a long time.

Looks like I'm one of the trendsetters. It's been P2, M3, and G5 for months.

Yep

McMurphy's a really good dude and really good reporter.

But his "from this day forward" declaration is about as far behind as Kliavkoff's media negotiations

I hope the M3 will sue the Power two to keep it the P5?

(05-09-2023 03:54 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

McMurphy's a really good dude and really good reporter.

But his "from this day forward" declaration is about as far behind as Kliavkoff's media negotiations

Descriptively it is a poor use of terminology.

The SEC and Big 10 grew stronger out of the P5's best. They should be referred to as the Super 2 or S2. That is a newly defined strata of branding and quite distinct from the ACC, Big 12, and PAC 12.

The Big 12 pulled from the best of the G5 distancing themselves from what they left at the G level. The PAC 12 is now considering some of the best remaining G5. If they PAC 12 does this it further distinguishes these 3 conferences from the G5 in the way the old P5 was distinguished. So their moves are to hold onto their status over the G5. Let's continue to call them what they are, Power 3 or P3 conferences. The G5 remains the G5 only with a gulf between them and the Super 2 and a clear divide between their upper echelon and the new P3.

(05-09-2023 04:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 03:54 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

McMurphy's a really good dude and really good reporter.

But his "from this day forward" declaration is about as far behind as Kliavkoff's media negotiations

Descriptively it is a poor use of terminology.

The SEC and Big 10 grew stronger out of the P5's best. They should be referred to as the Super 2 or S2. That is a newly defined strata of branding and quite distinct from the ACC, Big 12, and PAC 12.

The Big 12 pulled from the best of the G5 distancing themselves from what they left at the G level. The PAC 12 is now considering some of the best remaining G5. If they PAC 12 does this it further distinguishes these 3 conferences from the G5 in the way the old P5 was distinguished. So their moves are to hold onto their status over the G5. Let's continue to call them what they are, Power 3 or P3 conferences. The G5 remains the G5 only with a gulf between them and the Super 2 and a clear divide between their upper echelon and the new P3.

When I think "Super," first thing that comes to mind is Fox's Super 6

(05-09-2023 03:02 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

edit: here's the letter:

https://theamerican.org/news/2023/5/9/fo...nding.aspx

My response to his rant would be: start making as much as the 5th best of the old P5 does in their media rights agreement, or at least more than 1/10th of what they make, and maybe you can change the conversation.

I want to say quo vadis was the first person to use the M3 designation awhile back. Like you, I'm pretty sure McMurphy got it from here and from quo vadis.

I seem to recall it was Quo who first used the term on this board.

(05-09-2023 03:36 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 03:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 03:02 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

edit: here's the letter:

https://theamerican.org/news/2023/5/9/fo...nding.aspx

My response to his rant would be: start making as much as the 5th best of the old P5 does in their media rights agreement, or at least more than 1/10th of what they make, and maybe you can change the conversation.

I want to say quo vadis was the first person to use the M3 designation awhile back. Like you, I'm pretty sure McMurphy got it from here and from quo vadis.

We should ask him, I know that I started using it a long time ago, but I might have just gotten the idea from quo. I can't be bothered to look it up, it would take someone like McMurphy or perhaps Aresco to get more mainstream adoption anyway.

Wahoowa84 said it first according to the search engine

https://csnbbs.com/thread-949028-post-18...id18274290

Thread title: P4 will never happen
06-15-2022 10:54 AM

If accurate, I stand corrected, as I just posted I recalled it was Quo.

This stuff is so dumb. Never mind that the conference champ from a middle 3 basically blew out the undefeated conference champ from the P2 in the CFP. It's wild that the media who live off CFB are so quick to ruin it.

Mike Aresco believes that the P5/G5 labels are "divisive", "harmful", "damaging" and "exclusive"; yet, I don't think he used any of those terms in reference to the other perceived G5 programs during his "P6" campaign, an attempt for his conference to alone be included inside the P5 label (and pushing the other G5 programs further down the ladder).

At the end of the day, he only wants inclusion for the AAC; he could care less about the MWC, SBC, MAC or C-USA. These long narratives about how these designations are bad for college football are hogwash; he knows it negatively impacts his conference and is upset over it.

(05-09-2023 02:06 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

This board has predicted the Power 2 designation for a long time.

So no more P6?

(05-09-2023 03:02 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

edit: here's the letter:

https://theamerican.org/news/2023/5/9/fo...nding.aspx

My response to his rant would be: start making as much as the 5th best of the old P5 does in their media rights agreement, or at least more than 1/10th of what they make, and maybe you can change the conversation.

I want to say quo vadis was the first person to use the M3 designation awhile back. Like you, I'm pretty sure McMurphy got it from here and from quo vadis.

I appreciate the shout out, and I have been using P2/M3/G5 for a while, but whether I was first to do so here or not I do not know.