(05-09-2023 11:16 AM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  

(05-08-2023 02:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-08-2023 12:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-08-2023 11:58 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-08-2023 11:33 AM)bullet Wrote:  I hope you are being sarcastic and not too stupid to understand what I wrote.

In this scenario Stanford, UW, Oregon and Cal are back with USC and UCLA in the Big 10. The mountain and the pacific schools don't have that strong a tie. WSU and OSU are just lucky to have a home.

I hope you’re not a complete and utter moron and misinterpreted my response. You said it is more traditional for those schools to be in the Big Ten and the Big XII than with each other. It’s right up there in the quote.

Alright.

Its more traditional for Stanford, Washington, Oregon and Cal to be playing USC and UCLA than Utah, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona St. is that simple enough?

Did you go to those fake classes at UNC with the athletes?!

Utah and Colorado are the outliers; you’re throwing out the last 45 years of history with the Arizona schools and in-state rivalries plus replacing them with new conference opponents with zero tradition, don’t forget.

Did you major in mental gymnastics?

Arizona and ASU were conference mates with Texas Tech for 25 years. That’s some history and tradition.

ASU has played TTU 4 times.

(05-09-2023 01:52 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 11:16 AM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  

(05-08-2023 02:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-08-2023 12:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-08-2023 11:58 AM)esayem Wrote:  I hope you’re not a complete and utter moron and misinterpreted my response. You said it is more traditional for those schools to be in the Big Ten and the Big XII than with each other. It’s right up there in the quote.

Alright.

Its more traditional for Stanford, Washington, Oregon and Cal to be playing USC and UCLA than Utah, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona St. is that simple enough?

Did you go to those fake classes at UNC with the athletes?!

Utah and Colorado are the outliers; you’re throwing out the last 45 years of history with the Arizona schools and in-state rivalries plus replacing them with new conference opponents with zero tradition, don’t forget.

Did you major in mental gymnastics?

Arizona and ASU were conference mates with Texas Tech for 25 years. That’s some history and tradition.

ASU has played TTU 4 times.

Interesting. Texas Tech and Arizona have played 33 times.
Arizona St. seemed to play West Texas A&M and Hardin-Simmons most years.
But Tech and ASU didn't play.
Border conference was 9 teams at its peak-ASU, UA, NAU, New Mexico, New Mexico St (then A&M), W. Texas A&M (then St.), Hardin-Simmons, Texas Tech and UTEP (then school of Mines).

(05-09-2023 01:52 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 11:16 AM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  

(05-08-2023 02:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-08-2023 12:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-08-2023 11:58 AM)esayem Wrote:  I hope you’re not a complete and utter moron and misinterpreted my response. You said it is more traditional for those schools to be in the Big Ten and the Big XII than with each other. It’s right up there in the quote.

Alright.

Its more traditional for Stanford, Washington, Oregon and Cal to be playing USC and UCLA than Utah, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona St. is that simple enough?

Did you go to those fake classes at UNC with the athletes?!

Utah and Colorado are the outliers; you’re throwing out the last 45 years of history with the Arizona schools and in-state rivalries plus replacing them with new conference opponents with zero tradition, don’t forget.

Did you major in mental gymnastics?

Arizona and ASU were conference mates with Texas Tech for 25 years. That’s some history and tradition.

ASU has played TTU 4 times.

When he said SOME history and tradition, he wasn't clear on exactly how much of it there was...

The 4C4 don’t have many schools that EVERYBODY has played with any frequency.
ASU and CU have only played 13 times. The only non-PAC12 schools that each of the 4C4 have played 13 or more times are:

Colorado State
- AZ: 17
- ASU: 21
- CU: 91
- UU: 80
Wyoming
- AZ: 22
- ASU: 15
- CU: 28
- UU: 84

Colorado takes out BYU (12 games) with 28, 25, 95 vs ASU/AZ/UU as well as UTEP (1 game) with 42, 42, and 33 vs ASU/AZ/UU.

Arizona takes out Utah State (6 games) with 13, 17, and 98 vs ASU/CU/UU.

So most of the shared history of these programs is actually with the PAC8 schools where only CU-Cal (12 games), CU-Stanford (12 games), and UU-Stanford (11 games) fall below the cutoff.

So a 4C4 shared history conference of 16 would be the current P12 (minus Stanford) plus CSU, USU, WYO, BYU, and UTEP.