I’ve always believed that was the case and made the most sense in why the ‘who’s who’ is kept secret; not just for the elites sake but to hide government involvement

Absolutely the case. If you recall, Ghislane Maxwell's father was Mossad and that is what they were doing. Epstein may have branched out, 'working' for both the CIA and Mossad. Who knows? But it does seem that these honeypot schemes are meant for blackmail and control of certain people. Powerful people.

Quote: Jeffrey Epstein, far right, and some of the people he scheduled meetings with, clockwise from top left: Woody Allen, Ehud Barak, Terje Rød-Larsen, Eva Andersson-Dubin, Lawrence Summers, Leon Black, Bill Gates and Reid Hoffman. pic.twitter.com/xhz1geABbK

— Red Headed Patriot (@RedHeadedPat) May 3, 2023

Larry Summers was the Secretary of the Treasury under Bill Clinton, Director of the National Economic Council under Barack Obama, and a former President of Harvard University. Even though Harvard stopped taking donations from Epstein after his guilty plea in 2008, Summers continued to meet with Epstein. Woody Allen and his wife, Soon-Yi Previn, lived in the same neighborhood as Epstein and they were friends. Woody Allen invited Epstein to film screenings. Allen was a frequent guest at Epstein’s home. They got together “nearly every month in 2014 and 2015.”

Raping or sexually assaulting minors wouldn't seem to be the "cover" or the "honey" you would use to trap someone to gain intelligence on or to influence. What am I missing here? If you set up a bogus prostitution, child porn, drug or crime/scam ring then that would make more sense. Epstein was a sick bastard who peddled in sex with minors and craved power, money and influence. As a social elite, he inhabited the same circles as others who craved that status along with the forbidden fruits that it provided.

(05-03-2023 05:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Raping or sexually assaulting minors wouldn't seem to be the "cover" or the "honey" you would use to trap someone to gain intelligence on or to influence. What am I missing here? If you set up a bogus prostitution, child porn, drug or crime/scam ring then that would make more sense. Epstein was a sick bastard who peddled in sex with minors and craved power, money and influence. As a social elite, he inhabited the same circles as others who craved that status along with the forbidden fruits that it provided.

Are you really this slow? They lure an unsuspecting celeb or politician into attending a "party." Somebody slips a tranquilizer into their drink. They wake up in a bed with a child and somebody tells them it would be a shame if those pictures they took got out. Now they have control of that person. Who is going to believe the denials?

(05-03-2023 05:37 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(05-03-2023 05:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Raping or sexually assaulting minors wouldn't seem to be the "cover" or the "honey" you would use to trap someone to gain intelligence on or to influence. What am I missing here? If you set up a bogus prostitution, child porn, drug or crime/scam ring then that would make more sense. Epstein was a sick bastard who peddled in sex with minors and craved power, money and influence. As a social elite, he inhabited the same circles as others who craved that status along with the forbidden fruits that it provided.

Are you really this slow? They lure an unsuspecting celeb or politician into attending a "party." Somebody slips a tranquilizer into their drink. They wake up in a bed with a child and somebody tells them it would be a shame if those pictures they took got out. Now they have control of that person. Who is going to believe the denials?

Are you slow? Did you read my post clearly? I get your point and why I alluded to the other examples. I'm talking about the minor women who were allegedly raped or assaulted by Epstein, Maxwell and others like Prince Andrew.

(05-03-2023 05:37 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(05-03-2023 05:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Raping or sexually assaulting minors wouldn't seem to be the "cover" or the "honey" you would use to trap someone to gain intelligence on or to influence. What am I missing here? If you set up a bogus prostitution, child porn, drug or crime/scam ring then that would make more sense. Epstein was a sick bastard who peddled in sex with minors and craved power, money and influence. As a social elite, he inhabited the same circles as others who craved that status along with the forbidden fruits that it provided.

Are you really this slow? They lure an unsuspecting celeb or politician into attending a "party." Somebody slips a tranquilizer into their drink. They wake up in a bed with a child and somebody tells them it would be a shame if those pictures they took got out. Now they have control of that person. Who is going to believe the denials?

Don’t even have to confront them even if they willingly raped young girls until the time is needed to influence on key decisions. Bet a lot of these elites and celebrities never were confronted but videos and evidence was continually being collected

(05-03-2023 05:50 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-03-2023 05:37 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(05-03-2023 05:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Raping or sexually assaulting minors wouldn't seem to be the "cover" or the "honey" you would use to trap someone to gain intelligence on or to influence. What am I missing here? If you set up a bogus prostitution, child porn, drug or crime/scam ring then that would make more sense. Epstein was a sick bastard who peddled in sex with minors and craved power, money and influence. As a social elite, he inhabited the same circles as others who craved that status along with the forbidden fruits that it provided.

Are you really this slow? They lure an unsuspecting celeb or politician into attending a "party." Somebody slips a tranquilizer into their drink. They wake up in a bed with a child and somebody tells them it would be a shame if those pictures they took got out. Now they have control of that person. Who is going to believe the denials?

Are you slow? Did you read my post clearly? I get your point and why I alluded to the other examples. I'm talking about the minor women who were allegedly raped or assaulted by Epstein, Maxwell and others like Prince Andrew.

If you have read anything about his island and the "home" there, every single room was wired for audio/video. It is entirely possible that some visitors, egged on by Epstein's own behavior, did not have their own self preservation radar go up and tell them - it's a trap. They assaulted these minor women and now there is video proof, all in the safe keeping of Jeffrey Epstein.

Your post wasn't clear enough. Even some former operatives of our 3 letter agencies have said that this is how they do the honeypot schemes. Lure, trick and trap. You don't need to set up any fake schemes. What is more horrific to your reputation - adultery with an adult or pictures of you with a child?

I mean, anything is possible until the entire truth comes out [if ever]. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump allegedly traveled to Epstein's island. Is there an intelligence dossier on them? Are they influenced or bribed because of their trip and exploits there? I see this example more as rich elites that have insatiable desires and are used to getting what they want, when they want - even if it crosses over to the bizarre or illegal. This happens all the time.

(05-03-2023 06:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I mean, anything is possible until the entire truth comes out [if ever]. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump allegedly traveled to Epstein's island. Is there an intelligence dossier on them? Are they influenced or bribed because of their trip and exploits there? I see this example more as rich elites that have insatiable desires and are used to getting what they want, when they want - even if it crosses over to the bizarre or illegal. This happens all the time.

Where did you get the info on Trump traveling there to the island? You have a link that is not from some crazy far left site or never Trumpers? In all the articles I've read, that has not been alleged. I believe I read that DT once got a ride on Epstein's jet down to Florida.

(05-03-2023 06:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I mean, anything is possible until the entire truth comes out [if ever]. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump allegedly traveled to Epstein's island. Is there an intelligence dossier on them? Are they influenced or bribed because of their trip and exploits there? I see this example more as rich elites that have insatiable desires and are used to getting what they want, when they want - even if it crosses over to the bizarre or illegal. This happens all the time.

Trump never flew to the island. If that was true then the media wouldn’t hesitate one minute to report that a long time ago. Apparently he knew Epstein and flew on his plane but threw him out and banned him from his hotel after learning things about him

(05-03-2023 06:17 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(05-03-2023 06:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I mean, anything is possible until the entire truth comes out [if ever]. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump allegedly traveled to Epstein's island. Is there an intelligence dossier on them? Are they influenced or bribed because of their trip and exploits there? I see this example more as rich elites that have insatiable desires and are used to getting what they want, when they want - even if it crosses over to the bizarre or illegal. This happens all the time.

Where did you get the info on Trump traveling there to the island? You have a link that is not from some crazy far left site or never Trumpers? In all the articles I've read, that has not been alleged. I believe I read that DT once got a ride on Epstein's jet down to Florida.

First of all, I would never post a link from some crazy ass leftist site. I don't remember the exact article but flight logs were released that had names and I believe both Clinton and Trump had multiple flights over a period of time. It may not have said specifically the flight path but there were also indiscretions alleged that took place on those flights IIRC.

Second of all, are you a believer in everything Joe Rogan says? I like Joe but he's no different than others at times to throw out conspiracies or outside the box discussion topics.

Third, you'll have to excuse my disdain of two [I'm sure there are a lot more involved] sick individuals that were pedos and active in the sex exploitation of minors. I have three kids - two are daughters - and it shouldn't get lost on the charges and conviction [of one] of the perpetrators for these crimes.

You would have to be a total moron to believe that Jeffery Epstein actually committed suicide.

He obviously was a high level scumbag who was about to rat out all his high level crooked fiends.

(05-03-2023 06:01 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(05-03-2023 05:50 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-03-2023 05:37 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(05-03-2023 05:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Raping or sexually assaulting minors wouldn't seem to be the "cover" or the "honey" you would use to trap someone to gain intelligence on or to influence. What am I missing here? If you set up a bogus prostitution, child porn, drug or crime/scam ring then that would make more sense. Epstein was a sick bastard who peddled in sex with minors and craved power, money and influence. As a social elite, he inhabited the same circles as others who craved that status along with the forbidden fruits that it provided.

Are you really this slow? They lure an unsuspecting celeb or politician into attending a "party." Somebody slips a tranquilizer into their drink. They wake up in a bed with a child and somebody tells them it would be a shame if those pictures they took got out. Now they have control of that person. Who is going to believe the denials?

Are you slow? Did you read my post clearly? I get your point and why I alluded to the other examples. I'm talking about the minor women who were allegedly raped or assaulted by Epstein, Maxwell and others like Prince Andrew.

If you have read anything about his island and the "home" there, every single room was wired for audio/video. It is entirely possible that some visitors, egged on by Epstein's own behavior, did not have their own self preservation radar go up and tell them - it's a trap. They assaulted these minor women and now there is video proof, all in the safe keeping of Jeffrey Epstein.

Your post wasn't clear enough. Even some former operatives of our 3 letter agencies have said that this is how they do the honeypot schemes. Lure, trick and trap. You don't need to set up any fake schemes. What is more horrific to your reputation - adultery with an adult or pictures of you with a child?

I suspect that the horrors of Epstein island may never come out, but there are rumors of way more heinous happenings that occurred there. Can’t vouch for the veracity, but who knows……

I think our 3 letter agencies are capable of just about anything and the best interests of the American people isn’t high on their lists…..

(05-03-2023 07:26 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  You would have to be a total moron to believe that Jeffery Epstein actually committed suicide.

He obviously was a high level scumbag who was about to rat out all his high level crooked fiends.

He's not even dead.