(08-28-2023 05:03 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  If Jax State goes 7-5 and the other two move ups go 6-6 and there is only one open spot, does Jax St get the bowl bid or can the bowl pick whoever they want?

They generally pick who they want* from the group of eligible teams (although 7W's vs 6 does help). Like realignment--Bowl picks are Not a "meritocracy".

* whoever has potential to bring the most ticket buyers or if a "name"--the most tv viewers. It's All about the money.

--BUT>>>>Conference contracts/bowl agreements are the initial factor.

I apologize, I made a mistake by forgetting that JMU moved up to FBS in their first year of transition, which is unusual

My apologies

(04-27-2023 12:15 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The waiver request by James Madison to get a special exception as they 'expedited' their transition with a full FBS schedule was denied. Surprisingly, this got some coverage by The Athletic which was nice to see.

This means Sam Houston, Jacksonville State and James Madison are all the same next year and that the Dukes while getting a year of FBS scheduling under their belt are held to the same standard as it relates to NCAA postseason eligibility...

The bowl pecking order is...

1. Bowl eligible teams
2. NCAA transitional trio in second year of FCS-to-FBS transition
3. The best pick of the APR bunch

Last year, they had to dip into #3 as Rice went bowling at 5-7 (can't recall if others did), but it is possible and as the year goes by, we get a better picture of how many programs are truly bowl eligible and if the potential is there. We'll also know if any of the three - JMU, SH or Jax St - have a shot at being bowl eligible.

What are you talking about? You have to wait two years. You can file for a "special exception", but I don't believe you or Jax "the only thing good about the U is the band" State.

If you remember right, JMU was denied their first year. Not sure why Yosemity Sam and Jax "the only thing good about the U is the band" State would be approved.

Were you?

(08-29-2023 12:37 PM)Johns1124 Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 12:15 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The waiver request by James Madison to get a special exception as they 'expedited' their transition with a full FBS schedule was denied. Surprisingly, this got some coverage by The Athletic which was nice to see.

This means Sam Houston, Jacksonville State and James Madison are all the same next year and that the Dukes while getting a year of FBS scheduling under their belt are held to the same standard as it relates to NCAA postseason eligibility...

The bowl pecking order is...

1. Bowl eligible teams
2. NCAA transitional trio in second year of FCS-to-FBS transition
3. The best pick of the APR bunch

Last year, they had to dip into #3 as Rice went bowling at 5-7 (can't recall if others did), but it is possible and as the year goes by, we get a better picture of how many programs are truly bowl eligible and if the potential is there. We'll also know if any of the three - JMU, SH or Jax St - have a shot at being bowl eligible.

What are you talking about? You have to wait two years. You can file for a "special exception", but I don't believe you or Jax "the only thing good about the U is the band" State.

If you remember right, JMU was denied their first year. Not sure why Yosemity Sam and Jax "the only thing good about the U is the band" State would be approved.

Were you?

I shouldn't feed the troll, but this is a case of misinformation, so here we are:

1. JMU, SHSU, and Jax State began their transitions during the same season, Fall 2022.

2. Because the Sun Belt had a vacancy they needed to fill asap, JMU applied for and received a waiver to move up to the Sun Belt and be counted as an FBS school (on opponents' records) a year earlier. Since there was no corresponding need in CUSA, since the AAC6 were still in the conference last season, Jax State and SHSU were not given such a waiver. So the Dukes spent the first year of their transition as a bowl-ineligible, CCG-ineligible "FBS" team in the Sun Belt. Jax State and SHSU spent the first year of their transitions as playoff-ineligible FCS teams in the ASUN and WAC, respectively.

3. This fall, ALL THREE TEAMS will enter the required second year of their FBS transition. Teams in the 2nd year of transition are ineligible for conference championship games and ineligible for bowl games UNLESS they attain the 6-win threshold AND there are no other bowl-eligible teams available to fill an available slot. Meanwhile, down in FCS, Kennesaw State will begin its first year of transition.

4. Because JMU competed as an FBS team in fall 2022, they applied for a waiver of their 2nd year transitional status for fall 2023. Had it been approved, they would have been a fully bowl eligible FBS team this season. However, since the NCAA did NOT approve this waiver, the Dukes enter the fall 2023 season exactly equivalent to Jax State and SHSU: a team in the 2nd year of transition, ineligible for postseason play, except in the special case noted in #3 above.

5. All three teams will be fully bowl- and CCG-eligible FBS teams beginning with the fall 2024 football season. That same fall, KSU will enter FBS and CUSA as a 2nd year transitional team, ineligible for postseason play, except as noted in #3 above.

6. In fall 2025, KSU will have completed its transition, and will be a fully bowl- and CCG-eligible FBS team.

7. Jax State's band is freaking amazing. Thank you for noticing.

(08-29-2023 02:43 PM)whupemall Wrote:  

(08-29-2023 12:37 PM)Johns1124 Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 12:15 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The waiver request by James Madison to get a special exception as they 'expedited' their transition with a full FBS schedule was denied. Surprisingly, this got some coverage by The Athletic which was nice to see.

This means Sam Houston, Jacksonville State and James Madison are all the same next year and that the Dukes while getting a year of FBS scheduling under their belt are held to the same standard as it relates to NCAA postseason eligibility...

The bowl pecking order is...

1. Bowl eligible teams
2. NCAA transitional trio in second year of FCS-to-FBS transition
3. The best pick of the APR bunch

Last year, they had to dip into #3 as Rice went bowling at 5-7 (can't recall if others did), but it is possible and as the year goes by, we get a better picture of how many programs are truly bowl eligible and if the potential is there. We'll also know if any of the three - JMU, SH or Jax St - have a shot at being bowl eligible.

What are you talking about? You have to wait two years. You can file for a "special exception", but I don't believe you or Jax "the only thing good about the U is the band" State.

If you remember right, JMU was denied their first year. Not sure why Yosemity Sam and Jax "the only thing good about the U is the band" State would be approved.

Were you?

I shouldn't feed the troll, but this is a case of misinformation, so here we are:

1. JMU, SHSU, and Jax State began their transitions during the same season, Fall 2022.

2. Because the Sun Belt had a vacancy they needed to fill asap, JMU applied for and received a waiver to move up to the Sun Belt and be counted as an FBS school (on opponents' records) a year earlier. Since there was no corresponding need in CUSA, since the AAC6 were still in the conference last season, Jax State and SHSU were not given such a waiver. So the Dukes spent the first year of their transition as a bowl-ineligible, CCG-ineligible "FBS" team in the Sun Belt. Jax State and SHSU spent the first year of their transitions as playoff-ineligible FCS teams in the ASUN and WAC, respectively.

3. This fall, ALL THREE TEAMS will enter the required second year of their FBS transition. Teams in the 2nd year of transition are ineligible for conference championship games and ineligible for bowl games UNLESS they attain the 6-win threshold AND there are no other bowl-eligible teams available to fill an available slot. Meanwhile, down in FCS, Kennesaw State will begin its first year of transition.

4. Because JMU competed as an FBS team in fall 2022, they applied for a waiver of their 2nd year transitional status for fall 2023. Had it been approved, they would have been a fully bowl eligible FBS team this season. However, since the NCAA did NOT approve this waiver, the Dukes enter the fall 2023 season exactly equivalent to Jax State and SHSU: a team in the 2nd year of transition, ineligible for postseason play, except in the special case noted in #3 above.

5. All three teams will be fully bowl- and CCG-eligible FBS teams beginning with the fall 2024 football season. That same fall, KSU will enter FBS and CUSA as a 2nd year transitional team, ineligible for postseason play, except as noted in #3 above.

6. In fall 2025, KSU will have completed its transition, and will be a fully bowl- and CCG-eligible FBS team.

7. Jax State's band is freaking amazing. Thank you for noticing.

What are your thoughts on the "rebrand" from Jacksonville State to Jax State in athletics?
Sam Houston has done something similar. For academic purposes we are "Sam Houston State" but for athletics we chose to be referred to as the "Sam Houston Bearkats" -- no "state."

As stated early somewhere, I like one brand for all branches of the university. The big brands may have the ability to use multiples but the Jacksonville State, Jax State, JSU, UL, ULL, ULaLas of the world need just one.

Im ok with Jax State since Jacksonville means FL to several folks and JSU confuses with Jackson State. I would put emphasis on the X and become the X similar to the U. This would separate from the other Jacks....

(08-30-2023 06:09 AM)KATatonic Wrote:  

(08-29-2023 02:43 PM)whupemall Wrote:  Jax State's band is freaking amazing. Thank you for noticing.

What are your thoughts on the "rebrand" from Jacksonville State to Jax State in athletics?
Sam Houston has done something similar. For academic purposes we are "Sam Houston State" but for athletics we chose to be referred to as the "Sam Houston Bearkats" -- no "state."

I like "Jax State". Many of us have unofficially called ourselves that for a LOOOOOOOOONG time. It's even in our fight song: "Fight on! Fight on for ol' Jax State!"

So I totally support the rebrand. It differentiates us both from Deion's former school over in Mississippi, and from the Dolphins down in Florida.

What I do NOT support is a rebrand that makes it "incorrect" to say "Jacksonville State". I don't believe this was the university's intention, but one of my only complaints about the CBSSN broadcast last Saturday (seriously... it was otherwise a terrific job by CBS and the announcers) was that every time one of them would say "Jacksonville State" he'd immediately correct himself. "I'm sorry, uh, Jax State."

There's no need to correct yourself if what you said wasn't wrong.

We're still Jacksonville State. We will always be Jacksonville State. Just as Ole Miss will always be the University of Mississippi, and "The U" will always be the University of Miami, and Georgia Tech will always be the Georgia Institute of Technology.

Jax State's just a brand. That's it. Use it freely, even on first reference, but for heaven's sake, don't apologize if you say the university's actual name.

(08-29-2023 02:43 PM)whupemall Wrote:  

(08-29-2023 12:37 PM)Johns1124 Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 12:15 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The waiver request by James Madison to get a special exception as they 'expedited' their transition with a full FBS schedule was denied. Surprisingly, this got some coverage by The Athletic which was nice to see.

This means Sam Houston, Jacksonville State and James Madison are all the same next year and that the Dukes while getting a year of FBS scheduling under their belt are held to the same standard as it relates to NCAA postseason eligibility...

The bowl pecking order is...

1. Bowl eligible teams
2. NCAA transitional trio in second year of FCS-to-FBS transition
3. The best pick of the APR bunch

Last year, they had to dip into #3 as Rice went bowling at 5-7 (can't recall if others did), but it is possible and as the year goes by, we get a better picture of how many programs are truly bowl eligible and if the potential is there. We'll also know if any of the three - JMU, SH or Jax St - have a shot at being bowl eligible.

What are you talking about? You have to wait two years. You can file for a "special exception", but I don't believe you or Jax "the only thing good about the U is the band" State.

If you remember right, JMU was denied their first year. Not sure why Yosemity Sam and Jax "the only thing good about the U is the band" State would be approved.

Were you?

I shouldn't feed the troll, but this is a case of misinformation, so here we are:

1. JMU, SHSU, and Jax State began their transitions during the same season, Fall 2022.

2. Because the Sun Belt had a vacancy they needed to fill asap, JMU applied for and received a waiver to move up to the Sun Belt and be counted as an FBS school (on opponents' records) a year earlier. Since there was no corresponding need in CUSA, since the AAC6 were still in the conference last season, Jax State and SHSU were not given such a waiver. So the Dukes spent the first year of their transition as a bowl-ineligible, CCG-ineligible "FBS" team in the Sun Belt. Jax State and SHSU spent the first year of their transitions as playoff-ineligible FCS teams in the ASUN and WAC, respectively.

3. This fall, ALL THREE TEAMS will enter the required second year of their FBS transition. Teams in the 2nd year of transition are ineligible for conference championship games and ineligible for bowl games UNLESS they attain the 6-win threshold AND there are no other bowl-eligible teams available to fill an available slot. Meanwhile, down in FCS, Kennesaw State will begin its first year of transition.

4. Because JMU competed as an FBS team in fall 2022, they applied for a waiver of their 2nd year transitional status for fall 2023. Had it been approved, they would have been a fully bowl eligible FBS team this season. However, since the NCAA did NOT approve this waiver, the Dukes enter the fall 2023 season exactly equivalent to Jax State and SHSU: a team in the 2nd year of transition, ineligible for postseason play, except in the special case noted in #3 above.

5. All three teams will be fully bowl- and CCG-eligible FBS teams beginning with the fall 2024 football season. That same fall, KSU will enter FBS and CUSA as a 2nd year transitional team, ineligible for postseason play, except as noted in #3 above.

6. In fall 2025, KSU will have completed its transition, and will be a fully bowl- and CCG-eligible FBS team.

7. Jax State's band is freaking amazing. Thank you for noticing.

Yeah, point 2 is what I had forgotten with my prior post. Not gonna erase it bc I'll own my mistake. JMU moving up like they did has a lot of us really confused on their timeline

I love having athletics branded as Jax State. Easier to say, easier to type.