(04-25-2023 10:45 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 10:24 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 10:12 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Separating Fox News from the rest of Fox Corp might have to be the move here, unless a big-bucks conservative is willing to pay for everything Fox Corp. A buyer would have access to a multitude of over the air stations all across the land. However, I doubt that Amazon or Apple sees the value of the over the air stations. I understand that NFL requires Fox to air games on their over the air stations. The Big Ten would want guarantees that their big games get on the over the air stations as well.

I'm not sure the market is ripe for a sale right now. My guess is that the Murdochs would wait until the storm across the media industry subsides. And if it's not Comcast, Disney, Paramount, WarnerDiscovery, Apple or Amazon then I could see a merger between Fox Corp and Newsmax, with Newsmax shutting down its news operation and taking over Fox News.

A merged Newsmax/FoxCorp would be an interesting company, with access to sports, news and entertainment.

Ruddy doesn't have anything close to the money needed to buy Fox, he's missing at least 2 zeros. A "merger" would be more like Fox news eating up Newsmax in one tiny bite. Fox has a $17b market cap, much of which is due to Fox News, while Newsmax is worth, what, $200m? $300m?

Would John Malone and Liberty Media look into buying Fox? That's the other big-bucks conservative that popped in my mind. He could give up trying to turn around CNN as a result.

But I'm getting off-track here. At least with Malone you get someone that does have a serious interest in sports. So getting Fox and the NFL contract might make for a juicy target of opportunity for Liberty Media.

Liberty Media/Malone could afford it. I have zero idea if he wants to however.

(04-25-2023 08:37 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:30 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:25 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  In particular, who would the potential buyers be

That's an interesting question. Are they buying all of Fox Corp, or are we splitting off Fox News?

Warner Bros Discovery is the most logical conglomerate to add the Fox assets (they don't have a TV network, but they do have CNN)

Quote:and how could they get Fox Sports to "really" compete with ESPN/ABC/Disney ???

They probably can't. At least not profitably. ESPN is still collecting billions in cable subscriber fees that no one else collects, and no one else is going to collect as the cable model decays. They own more sports, which will get them through the probably crash of the cable model in better shape than any competitor.

I mean, if all you want is to fantasize about an ESPN competitor, then sure, Amazon or Apple or Alphabet Google buy Fox and pour hundreds of millions of dollars that they're not going to recoup. They have the money to do it if they wanted to. But there's no realistic way to make that money back.

All of Fox Corp.

Disney already bought the Fox Media, but they had to sell the Fox local sports networks that went to Bally.

(04-25-2023 08:44 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:40 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:25 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  In particular, who would the potential buyers be and how could they get Fox Sports to "really" compete with ESPN/ABC/Disney ???

Define "really" compete? Fox already has the NFL, MLB and Big Ten. I suppose they could make a play for NBA when that deal is up, or something international like the Premier League. Another angle would be LIV Golf. The rest of college sports will be shut off until the end of the decade if/when the Pac-12 signs their deal. Fox has been pretty behind in the streaming game so stepping that up could be a priority.

As in having a sports streamer or two that would rank with Fox News for profitability.

Btw, I have a link for both JRsec & Frank the Tank as well as johnbragg below:

https://radaronline.com/p/rupert-murdoch...newsrecirc

Radar Online? Find a real source, than we talk.

(04-25-2023 09:57 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 09:41 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 09:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 09:01 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:44 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  ....
https://radaronline.com/p/rupert-murdoch...-dominion/

Oh, this is progress.

That rumor is not exactly new, though the specifics of Murdoch's son telling him to sell certainly are. I've heard through the Grapevine for a while that Fox News could be had for the right price.

Hmmmm, who do we know who recently took a more-conservative bent and may or may not want to Die on Mars?

After killing potentially useful communications platforms here? He's a little short of cash lately. He's also having trouble locating tech specialists now who want to work for him. He may find the atmosphere on a Kuiper Belt object more welcoming.

If Amazon, Apple or Google step in, here's hoping they put adults in charge and get back into the news business. The public has not been well served.

Fox News isn't about "news", it's about "profits". And, by that measure, they've had unparalleled success. At least until that little settlement a few days ago. Actually, even after that settlement. They're a money-making machine.

None of the 3 cable news networks are about news. CNN once was, they lost their way long ago.

(04-26-2023 08:32 AM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:44 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:40 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:25 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  In particular, who would the potential buyers be and how could they get Fox Sports to "really" compete with ESPN/ABC/Disney ???

Define "really" compete? Fox already has the NFL, MLB and Big Ten. I suppose they could make a play for NBA when that deal is up, or something international like the Premier League. Another angle would be LIV Golf. The rest of college sports will be shut off until the end of the decade if/when the Pac-12 signs their deal. Fox has been pretty behind in the streaming game so stepping that up could be a priority.

As in having a sports streamer or two that would rank with Fox News for profitability.

Btw, I have a link for both JRsec & Frank the Tank as well as johnbragg below:

https://radaronline.com/p/rupert-murdoch...newsrecirc

Radar Online? Find a real source, than we talk.

Ehh, it's not new information that James Murdoch is unhappy with the Fox NEws trajectory and culture etc.

It's not surprising that he's recruited one of the two sisters.

But it only matters if he recruits both sisters--it takes a majority to make a change. and even then, nothing happens until Rupert dies or changes his mind (Rupert controls half of the board of the family trust until he dies)

It's a very damaged brand at this point. Not a case where anyone with acumen would want to "sell low". Disney could get in with the cash they're freeing up. Do they even have OTA cable news? They have the Fox Network Group which is an international subsidiary acquired from the Fox Entertainment (non-sports) deal. If they want to hire Lemon and Tucker to co-anchor prime time shows, that could be a quick money grab for them. The thing is, you don't want that competing with sports. It makes no sense to have both the NHL, NBA, and some MLB in that case. You can offload the NBA and some other sports and then go H2H with Comcast in that area. It just hurts the ESPN family of networks too much. But again, if they are offloading or downsizing in that area, it may make sense.

Well, we need to keep in mind that there's still a bunch of pending litigation out there, including the Smartmatic suit. That in itself is probably looking to end in similar fashion to the Dominion one.

There's not likely going to be a lot of potential buyers until after suits of that magnitude are resolved.

(04-26-2023 10:47 AM)e-parade Wrote:  Well, we need to keep in mind that there's still a bunch of pending litigation out there, including the Smartmatic suit. That in itself is probably looking to end in similar fashion to the Dominion one.

There's not likely going to be a lot of potential buyers until after suits of that magnitude are resolved.

Ehh, Dominion set the expectation that the Smartmatic suit settles for half of the claimed damages. Fox Corp has that in cash-on-hand.

The rest of the ligitations are (A) relative pocket change and/ or (B) less blatant, in that it wasn't a near 24-7 focus of the entire network for a couple of months.

The problem though is, who's buying? Antitrust feds won't let one company own two major TV networks, so Disney, Comcast (and PAramount Global) are out.

Warner Bros Discovery doesn't have an OTA network, but they do have CNN, so you'd have to split off either CNN or Fox News. And WBD has a ton of debt, so not sure they could borrow the cash to buy Fox or that Murdochs would want to do a merger where they get stock in WBD.

Just wondering if there's a particular reason why everyone is ignoring that the Congressional Democrats all complained about Dominion Systems prior to 2020 Election. They all went silent once the outcome was favorable to them. There are many videos available on the subject.

(04-26-2023 08:34 AM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 09:57 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 09:41 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 09:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 09:01 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Oh, this is progress.

That rumor is not exactly new, though the specifics of Murdoch's son telling him to sell certainly are. I've heard through the Grapevine for a while that Fox News could be had for the right price.

Hmmmm, who do we know who recently took a more-conservative bent and may or may not want to Die on Mars?

After killing potentially useful communications platforms here? He's a little short of cash lately. He's also having trouble locating tech specialists now who want to work for him. He may find the atmosphere on a Kuiper Belt object more welcoming.

If Amazon, Apple or Google step in, here's hoping they put adults in charge and get back into the news business. The public has not been well served.

Fox News isn't about "news", it's about "profits". And, by that measure, they've had unparalleled success. At least until that little settlement a few days ago. Actually, even after that settlement. They're a money-making machine.

None of the 3 cable news networks are about news. CNN once was, they lost their way long ago.

"Mostly peaceful protests."

(04-26-2023 09:24 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  It's a very damaged brand at this point. Not a case where anyone with acumen would want to "sell low". Disney could get in with the cash they're freeing up. Do they even have OTA cable news? They have the Fox Network Group which is an international subsidiary acquired from the Fox Entertainment (non-sports) deal. If they want to hire Lemon and Tucker to co-anchor prime time shows, that could be a quick money grab for them. The thing is, you don't want that competing with sports. It makes no sense to have both the NHL, NBA, and some MLB in that case. You can offload the NBA and some other sports and then go H2H with Comcast in that area. It just hurts the ESPN family of networks too much. But again, if they are offloading or downsizing in that area, it may make sense.

Disney can't get in. They cannot take Fox OTA (due to already owning ABC) or the Fox Sports Networks and BTN (due to already owning ESPN) due to antitrust issues. The only part that Disney could conceivably buy from Fox is Fox News, which is likely the *last* thing that Disney would want to touch.

I'm not sure where you're getting that anyone would "offload the NBA" regardless of any merger or consolidation. I get the sense that this forum is wildly underrepresented for NBA fans compared to the general population and/or doesn't understand that the NBA is the single biggest "must have" for every TV network and streamer besides the NFL going forward. Anyone that doesn't understand this doesn't understand the current sports rights landscape at all.

I'm not devaluing the NBA. But you just can't have a major OTA CABLE news network, or business network to go along with NHL and other weekday college sports. They have G5 CFB, NHL, MLB. While the reach isn't the same, there is overlap there during the lulls of the season. I really don't think anti-trust would apply since Fox Sports would not be in the deal.

No other major bidders, aside from some big private ones, would get in. Certainly not tech companies.

Apparently some Democrats want to investigate the Warner Bros and Discovery merger. So that will affect March madness if that were to happen. Honestly selling FOX sports to Liberty Media does sound pretty good though ?.

(04-26-2023 08:40 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 08:32 AM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:44 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:40 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:25 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  In particular, who would the potential buyers be and how could they get Fox Sports to "really" compete with ESPN/ABC/Disney ???

Define "really" compete? Fox already has the NFL, MLB and Big Ten. I suppose they could make a play for NBA when that deal is up, or something international like the Premier League. Another angle would be LIV Golf. The rest of college sports will be shut off until the end of the decade if/when the Pac-12 signs their deal. Fox has been pretty behind in the streaming game so stepping that up could be a priority.

As in having a sports streamer or two that would rank with Fox News for profitability.

Btw, I have a link for both JRsec & Frank the Tank as well as johnbragg below:

https://radaronline.com/p/rupert-murdoch...newsrecirc

Radar Online? Find a real source, than we talk.

Ehh, it's not new information that James Murdoch is unhappy with the Fox NEws trajectory and culture etc.

It's not surprising that he's recruited one of the two sisters.

But it only matters if he recruits both sisters--it takes a majority to make a change. and even then, nothing happens until Rupert dies or changes his mind (Rupert controls half of the board of the family trust until he dies)

James is out.

Rupert and Lachan run it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rupert is ready to sell.

(04-26-2023 01:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 08:40 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 08:32 AM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:44 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:40 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  Define "really" compete? Fox already has the NFL, MLB and Big Ten. I suppose they could make a play for NBA when that deal is up, or something international like the Premier League. Another angle would be LIV Golf. The rest of college sports will be shut off until the end of the decade if/when the Pac-12 signs their deal. Fox has been pretty behind in the streaming game so stepping that up could be a priority.

As in having a sports streamer or two that would rank with Fox News for profitability.

Btw, I have a link for both JRsec & Frank the Tank as well as johnbragg below:

https://radaronline.com/p/rupert-murdoch...newsrecirc

Radar Online? Find a real source, than we talk.

Ehh, it's not new information that James Murdoch is unhappy with the Fox NEws trajectory and culture etc.

It's not surprising that he's recruited one of the two sisters.

But it only matters if he recruits both sisters--it takes a majority to make a change. and even then, nothing happens until Rupert dies or changes his mind (Rupert controls half of the board of the family trust until he dies)

James is out.

Rupert and Lachan run it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rupert is ready to sell.

Sell to who though?

(04-26-2023 11:10 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 10:47 AM)e-parade Wrote:  Well, we need to keep in mind that there's still a bunch of pending litigation out there, including the Smartmatic suit. That in itself is probably looking to end in similar fashion to the Dominion one.

There's not likely going to be a lot of potential buyers until after suits of that magnitude are resolved.

Ehh, Dominion set the expectation that the Smartmatic suit settles for half of the claimed damages. Fox Corp has that in cash-on-hand.

The rest of the ligitations are (A) relative pocket change and/ or (B) less blatant, in that it wasn't a near 24-7 focus of the entire network for a couple of months.

The problem though is, who's buying? Antitrust feds won't let one company own two major TV networks, so Disney, Comcast (and PAramount Global) are out.

Warner Bros Discovery doesn't have an OTA network, but they do have CNN, so you'd have to split off either CNN or Fox News. And WBD has a ton of debt, so not sure they could borrow the cash to buy Fox or that Murdochs would want to do a merger where they get stock in WBD.

I mean that would still be a $1.35 billion settlement, since Smartmatic set the damages at $2.7 billion as opposed to Dominion's ~$1.5. Also, just because Dominion settled doesn't mean Smartmatic necessarily will. Is it likely? Yeah, but until they do there's pending litigation and discovery to deal with.

(04-26-2023 01:00 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I'm not devaluing the NBA. But you just can't have a major OTA CABLE news network, or business network to go along with NHL and other weekday college sports.

Why not? Fox has FS1 and Fox News. ABC could have a 24 hour basic cable news channel tomorrow if they felt like it.

Quote:They have G5 CFB, NHL, MLB. While the reach isn't the same, there is overlap there during the lulls of the season. I really don't think anti-trust would apply since Fox Sports would not be in the deal.

You're saying that Disney buy Fox OTA and Fox News, but not Fox Sports?

First of all, the feds won't let Disney own ABC *and* Fox OTA.
Second of all, Fox News is a polarizing brand, I don't think Disney wants that smoke. (Nor do most companies, I don't think you're going to find a conglomerate willing to deal with the headaches that Fox News creates, even if they do print money).

Quote:They have G5 CFB, NHL, MLB.

I'm lost. Who has that set of sports properties? Not ESPN, not Turner, not CBS Sports ....

Quote:No other major bidders, aside from some big private ones, would get in. Certainly not tech companies.

Ok

(04-26-2023 01:04 PM)ExpertAd991 Wrote:  Apparently some Democrats want to investigate the Warner Bros and Discovery merger. So that will affect March madness if that were to happen. Honestly selling FOX sports to Liberty Media does sound pretty good though ?.

Congresscritters jabbering isn't going to unwind the WBD merger. But it could put a freeze on further mergers involving WBD.

No effect on March Madness. Even if Turner Sports changes parent companies again, the machine rolls on.

(04-26-2023 08:32 AM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:44 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:40 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:25 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  In particular, who would the potential buyers be and how could they get Fox Sports to "really" compete with ESPN/ABC/Disney ???

Define "really" compete? Fox already has the NFL, MLB and Big Ten. I suppose they could make a play for NBA when that deal is up, or something international like the Premier League. Another angle would be LIV Golf. The rest of college sports will be shut off until the end of the decade if/when the Pac-12 signs their deal. Fox has been pretty behind in the streaming game so stepping that up could be a priority.

As in having a sports streamer or two that would rank with Fox News for profitability.

Btw, I have a link for both JRsec & Frank the Tank as well as johnbragg below:

https://radaronline.com/p/rupert-murdoch...newsrecirc

Radar Online? Find a real source, than we talk.

"find a source"

(person finds source)

"attacks source"

SMH

(04-26-2023 01:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 08:40 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 08:32 AM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:44 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:40 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  Define "really" compete? Fox already has the NFL, MLB and Big Ten. I suppose they could make a play for NBA when that deal is up, or something international like the Premier League. Another angle would be LIV Golf. The rest of college sports will be shut off until the end of the decade if/when the Pac-12 signs their deal. Fox has been pretty behind in the streaming game so stepping that up could be a priority.

As in having a sports streamer or two that would rank with Fox News for profitability.

Btw, I have a link for both JRsec & Frank the Tank as well as johnbragg below:

https://radaronline.com/p/rupert-murdoch...newsrecirc

Radar Online? Find a real source, than we talk.

Ehh, it's not new information that James Murdoch is unhappy with the Fox NEws trajectory and culture etc.

It's not surprising that he's recruited one of the two sisters.

But it only matters if he recruits both sisters--it takes a majority to make a change. and even then, nothing happens until Rupert dies or changes his mind (Rupert controls half of the board of the family trust until he dies)

James is out.

James is out, but he still has a seat on the board of the family trust, along with LAchlan and the two elder sisters.

Quote:Rupert and Lachan run it.

No, Rupert runs it. Right now he is letting LAchlan run it.

Quote:I wouldn't be surprised if Rupert is ready to sell.

I wouldn't be surpised either. But that requires a buyer. Possibly two buyers (split Fox NEws Media from everything else)