(07-02-2023 12:20 PM)unalions Wrote: So glad to see most of these folks go. The talking heads are soooooo boring. Does anyone actually watch ESPN other than live sports anymore? I don’t and haven’t for years.
(07-02-2023 12:20 PM)unalions Wrote: So glad to see most of these folks go. The talking heads are soooooo boring. Does anyone actually watch ESPN other than live sports anymore? I don’t and haven’t for years.
^^^^
This … only watch ESPN for live games …
I watch NFL Live, the scoreboard show(college football), college football final. SVP after MNF and also sports center on Sun after the nfl games.
(06-30-2023 02:04 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: That show with Max Kellerman, Jason Williams and Keyshawn Johnson was the biggest waste of time in TV history.
I'd have rather they just left ESPN News as a running loop of highlights.
Reports are showing Jason Williams was let go as well. The report from Marchaund that other dude about cash cows not being let go is not true since the internal emails showed Buck, Smith and Aikman not safe either. Pat McAfee is being blamed for these top on air personalities being let go. A lot of people wants Perkins, Smith and that black lady to be gone from ESPN. Besides Rose being the woke one that was let go? I have not seen or heard the others gone down that road who were let go. Steve Young is the direct descendent of Brigham Young who the family created the University that is now in the Big 12. They kept some Big 10 guys, but got rid of people who had connections with the ACC, SEC and Big 12.
“That black lady”
Yeah, I don't know her name, but she caused problems and showed her racists side against white basketball players.
(06-30-2023 02:04 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: That show with Max Kellerman, Jason Williams and Keyshawn Johnson was the biggest waste of time in TV history.
I'd have rather they just left ESPN News as a running loop of highlights.
Reports are showing Jason Williams was let go as well. The report from Marchaund that other dude about cash cows not being let go is not true since the internal emails showed Buck, Smith and Aikman not safe either. Pat McAfee is being blamed for these top on air personalities being let go. A lot of people wants Perkins, Smith and that black lady to be gone from ESPN. Besides Rose being the woke one that was let go? I have not seen or heard the others gone down that road who were let go. Steve Young is the direct descendent of Brigham Young who the family created the University that is now in the Big 12. They kept some Big 10 guys, but got rid of people who had connections with the ACC, SEC and Big 12.
“That black lady”
Yeah, I don't know her name, but she caused problems and showed her racists side against white basketball players.
This post keeps getting better and better.
DavidSt might be taking a 1-month break to attend a diversity and equity training program.
(07-02-2023 10:33 AM)DavidSt Wrote: Reports are showing Jason Williams was let go as well. The report from Marchaund that other dude about cash cows not being let go is not true since the internal emails showed Buck, Smith and Aikman not safe either. Pat McAfee is being blamed for these top on air personalities being let go. A lot of people wants Perkins, Smith and that black lady to be gone from ESPN. Besides Rose being the woke one that was let go? I have not seen or heard the others gone down that road who were let go. Steve Young is the direct descendent of Brigham Young who the family created the University that is now in the Big 12. They kept some Big 10 guys, but got rid of people who had connections with the ACC, SEC and Big 12.
“That black lady”
Yeah, I don't know her name, but she caused problems and showed her racists side against white basketball players.
This post keeps getting better and better.
DavidSt might be taking a 1-month break to attend a diversity and equity training program.
(07-01-2023 02:22 PM)JRsec Wrote: Who do most college sports fans want to have call their games? Their local radio team.
Where is a lot of sports telecasting heading? Streaming.
Which is more economical to the networks and satisfying to the consumer?
Beth Mowins and some other putzes attributing plays to schools not on the screen, messing up the school's nickname, and blathering about a personality in the stands or an upcoming ESPN event, or something entirely other than the game, or your local play by play guys who know all the ins and outs calling the game? (And if you are the visiting team you have an option to hear your guys do the call)
One set of announcers, the adored ones, aren't under contract, can be paid a flat fee for their services. You don't have to cover their transportation, rooms, meals, and rental cars. The other pisses off their audience and gets paid oodles because ESPN once thought they looked good and sounded clever on the tube.
These cuts will continue to happen as ESPN and FOX and others figure out how much duplicated and unnecessary expense there is in covering these games.
ESPN needs to keep its gameday personnel. They need a group A, B, and C for weekend telecasts, in other words for the best game in each time slot for OTA delivery. Then they can subcontract local play by play people, add more flavor and enjoyability to the games for the rest of the time slots and all of the streaming. And on streaming each team's fans can choose their option of the same event.
It's a win, win, win.
ESPN is still making money, and is not the where the whole in the bucket is for Disney. But they are where the some of the expenditures reside. There are ways to improve the experience for the viewers and and lower costs and this would be one of them.
I’ve been saying for a while that I’d pay a premium to have both radio broadcasts available on ESPN+.
(07-02-2023 12:20 PM)unalions Wrote: So glad to see most of these folks go. The talking heads are soooooo boring. Does anyone actually watch ESPN other than live sports anymore? I don’t and haven’t for years.
^^^^
This … only watch ESPN for live games …
Same here, for a long time. I don't watch any ESPN or Fox "shows".
I don't even watch pre-game or halftime shows or Sportscenter.
I just tune in for the actual game I want to watch.
(07-01-2023 02:22 PM)JRsec Wrote: Who do most college sports fans want to have call their games? Their local radio team.
Where is a lot of sports telecasting heading? Streaming.
Which is more economical to the networks and satisfying to the consumer?
Beth Mowins and some other putzes attributing plays to schools not on the screen, messing up the school's nickname, and blathering about a personality in the stands or an upcoming ESPN event, or something entirely other than the game, or your local play by play guys who know all the ins and outs calling the game? (And if you are the visiting team you have an option to hear your guys do the call)
One set of announcers, the adored ones, aren't under contract, can be paid a flat fee for their services. You don't have to cover their transportation, rooms, meals, and rental cars. The other pisses off their audience and gets paid oodles because ESPN once thought they looked good and sounded clever on the tube.
These cuts will continue to happen as ESPN and FOX and others figure out how much duplicated and unnecessary expense there is in covering these games.
ESPN needs to keep its gameday personnel. They need a group A, B, and C for weekend telecasts, in other words for the best game in each time slot for OTA delivery. Then they can subcontract local play by play people, add more flavor and enjoyability to the games for the rest of the time slots and all of the streaming. And on streaming each team's fans can choose their option of the same event.
It's a win, win, win.
ESPN is still making money and is not the where the hole in the bucket is for Disney. But they are where the some of the expenditures reside. There are ways to improve the experience for the viewers and lower costs and this would be one of them.
Like my Dad used to do, mute the TV and turn up the radio.
(07-02-2023 12:20 PM)unalions Wrote: So glad to see most of these folks go. The talking heads are soooooo boring. Does anyone actually watch ESPN other than live sports anymore? I don’t and haven’t for years.
^^^^
This … only watch ESPN for live games …
Same here, for a long time. I don't watch any ESPN or Fox "shows".
I don't even watch pre-game or halftime shows or Sportscenter.
I just tune in for the actual game I want to watch.
Same here. I dont know many people whi have time to watch ESPN or Fox shows….
(07-02-2023 12:20 PM)unalions Wrote: So glad to see most of these folks go. The talking heads are soooooo boring. Does anyone actually watch ESPN other than live sports anymore? I don’t and haven’t for years.
^^^^
This … only watch ESPN for live games …
Same here, for a long time. I don't watch any ESPN or Fox "shows".
I don't even watch pre-game or halftime shows or Sportscenter.
I just tune in for the actual game I want to watch.
Same here Terry D on all Pre Game shows on all Networks ….
(This post was last modified: 07-05-2023 05:38 PM by Maize.)
ESPN became the MTV of sports. It got bloated, full of itself, reached programmatic excess, got opinionated outside of sports and paid too many people more money than common sense. It was time to pop the ESPN balloon to relieve the bad air. Reset. Streamline. Get back to the basics. That's my take anyway...
And ESPN needs to get rid of the ACC and SEC Networks. None of the P5 conferences need a network. If college sports need a Network? Make it all for one, not separate where it tears conferences apart.
(07-05-2023 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote: And ESPN needs to get rid of the ACC and SEC Networks. None of the P5 conferences need a network. If college sports need a Network? Make it all for one, not separate where it tears conferences apart.
It would cost ESPN a LOT of money to get out of very large, recently contracts. If they were bankrupt then that wouldn't be a problem, people could just get in line, but they're still making tons of money. As our Bearcat friend mentioned above, ESPN has suffered from extreme mission creep. As Dan Patrick would say, they got outside of their lane and ventured a lot of opinions on things that had nothing to do with sports, then paid the people offering those opinions a LOT of money. Well, those days seem to be over. They're still willing to pay a lot of money, but it needs to be for people like Aikman, Steven A or That Punter* who bring home the bacon.
(07-01-2023 02:22 PM)JRsec Wrote: Who do most college sports fans want to have call their games? Their local radio team.
Where is a lot of sports telecasting heading? Streaming.
Which is more economical to the networks and satisfying to the consumer?
Beth Mowins and some other putzes attributing plays to schools not on the screen, messing up the school's nickname, and blathering about a personality in the stands or an upcoming ESPN event, or something entirely other than the game, or your local play by play guys who know all the ins and outs calling the game? (And if you are the visiting team you have an option to hear your guys do the call)
One set of announcers, the adored ones, aren't under contract, can be paid a flat fee for their services. You don't have to cover their transportation, rooms, meals, and rental cars. The other pisses off their audience and gets paid oodles because ESPN once thought they looked good and sounded clever on the tube.
These cuts will continue to happen as ESPN and FOX and others figure out how much duplicated and unnecessary expense there is in covering these games.
ESPN needs to keep its gameday personnel. They need a group A, B, and C for weekend telecasts, in other words for the best game in each time slot for OTA delivery. Then they can subcontract local play by play people, add more flavor and enjoyability to the games for the rest of the time slots and all of the streaming. And on streaming each team's fans can choose their option of the same event.
It's a win, win, win.
ESPN is still making money and is not the where the hole in the bucket is for Disney. But they are where the some of the expenditures reside. There are ways to improve the experience for the viewers and lower costs and this would be one of them.
Like my Dad used to do, mute the TV and turn up the radio.
(07-01-2023 02:22 PM)JRsec Wrote: Who do most college sports fans want to have call their games? Their local radio team.
Where is a lot of sports telecasting heading? Streaming.
Which is more economical to the networks and satisfying to the consumer?
Beth Mowins and some other putzes attributing plays to schools not on the screen, messing up the school's nickname, and blathering about a personality in the stands or an upcoming ESPN event, or something entirely other than the game, or your local play by play guys who know all the ins and outs calling the game? (And if you are the visiting team you have an option to hear your guys do the call)
One set of announcers, the adored ones, aren't under contract, can be paid a flat fee for their services. You don't have to cover their transportation, rooms, meals, and rental cars. The other pisses off their audience and gets paid oodles because ESPN once thought they looked good and sounded clever on the tube.
These cuts will continue to happen as ESPN and FOX and others figure out how much duplicated and unnecessary expense there is in covering these games.
ESPN needs to keep its gameday personnel. They need a group A, B, and C for weekend telecasts, in other words for the best game in each time slot for OTA delivery. Then they can subcontract local play by play people, add more flavor and enjoyability to the games for the rest of the time slots and all of the streaming. And on streaming each team's fans can choose their option of the same event.
It's a win, win, win.
ESPN is still making money and is not the where the hole in the bucket is for Disney. But they are where the some of the expenditures reside. There are ways to improve the experience for the viewers and lower costs and this would be one of them.
Like my Dad used to do, mute the TV and turn up the radio.
(07-05-2023 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote: And ESPN needs to get rid of the ACC and SEC Networks. None of the P5 conferences need a network. If college sports need a Network? Make it all for one, not separate where it tears conferences apart.
It would cost ESPN a LOT of money to get out of very large, recently contracts. If they were bankrupt then that wouldn't be a problem, people could just get in line, but they're still making tons of money. As our Bearcat friend mentioned above, ESPN has suffered from extreme mission creep. As Dan Patrick would say, they got outside of their lane and ventured a lot of opinions on things that had nothing to do with sports, then paid the people offering those opinions a LOT of money. Well, those days seem to be over. They're still willing to pay a lot of money, but it needs to be for people like Aikman, Steven A or That Punter* who bring home the bacon.
Stephen A. Smith's show is not even in the top 10 rated shows on cable.
Warner Discovery canceled a lot of shows like Joe Buck's show, Bob Costas, and the other guy who is still employed by ESPN.
Jalen Rose came out and blasted ESPN for being racists for letting him go. There were more whites that got layed off than blacks.
Here is something that may have also got Rose fired.
It is Malika Andrews that was being racists to white basketball players. It seemed Malike metooed Jalen Rose about the finger in the armpit, and it was Richard Jefferson who put the finger there.