This doesn't feel like a money move to me (could be for all I know). This feels like a response to Pierre being added. Pierre from what I've seen so far looks like a more advanced version J. Lawson. Pierre is more mobile and a better ballhandler on top of being a good shooter and passer like J. Lawson. He was probably going have a tough time increasing his PT with Pierre here.

(04-24-2023 12:51 PM)HiTiger Wrote:  Not surprised from the Lawsons, wouldn't be shocked to see Chandler go as well

Chandler's staying as of now, according to pops.

The current system screws a player like JLaw. He's very talented and can become a really good college player with progressive POT each year. That just can't happen anymore with the roster flipping every year.

If he lands a place where he gets significant minutes, I think he will produce. I'm really disappointed he's leaving, but wishing him the best.

(04-24-2023 01:57 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  The current system screws a player like JLaw. He's very talented and can become a really good college player with progressive POT each year. That just can't happen anymore with the roster flipping every year.

If he lands a place where he gets significant minutes, I think he will produce. I'm really disappointed he's leaving, but wishing him the best.

Until everyone that were on campuses in 2020 lose their eligibility this will be the story. Freshmen should go to mid majors and develop and then transfer to were they wanted to originally go. Thats the name of the game at this point.

(04-24-2023 10:41 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 10:19 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 09:50 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Honestly, for the first time in over 30 years, I'm genuinely losing interest in college basketball. No stability now. I'm all for players getting paid and being able to play where they want, but there has got to be some sort of rule that when you commit to a school you are committed for a minimum of 2 years. Imagine if players in the NBA could just up and left every single year when they wanted. It would ruin the NBA and that's what's happening here.

You have every right to an opinion so I'm not saying you're wrong but why does a guy being forced to be somewhere he doesn't want to be heighten your interest? Their scholarships are year to year so why should they be held to a higher standard than a coach or an AD or a regular student for that matter? Again, everybody is free to feel how they want to feel I just don't see why guys moving around more should equate to me not cheering for my alma mater or enjoying its success less. JMO

First off, please don’t attempt to box me in as some old fart that is mad that these players are able to have more freedom. Because I can assure you, I am not that. I argued till I was blue in the face that college players should be paid and have more freedom.

We all want a great and healthy college sports system. Guys moving around year to year creates instability within and therefore less interest amongst fans. It's why in the NBA, NFL and other professional sports have a system in which players (for the big majority) are not moving around year to year. So, when you create less interest like this, it in turns hurts the players. (Less revenue etc.) There has to be some sort of balance and system in place, otherwise it will fall apart.

Honestly, they just should just call it what it is. A semi-professional organization. I have no qualms with that. Have multi - year contracts for players like they do in professional sports that creates incentive for them wanting to stay at their school. Because having a whole new team every year is probably not the answer. As I previously stated, the NBA, NFL of MLB would not be as popular as it is if 80% of the team left out every year.

Ha, no boxing in just an honest question and I 100% get where you're coming from. Like I said, I get why some people wouldn't like the change I just like to hear why.

(04-24-2023 12:11 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 10:19 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 09:50 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Honestly, for the first time in over 30 years, I'm genuinely losing interest in college basketball. No stability now. I'm all for players getting paid and being able to play where they want, but there has got to be some sort of rule that when you commit to a school you are committed for a minimum of 2 years. Imagine if players in the NBA could just up and left every single year when they wanted. It would ruin the NBA and that's what's happening here.

You have every right to an opinion so I'm not saying you're wrong but why does a guy being forced to be somewhere he doesn't want to be heighten your interest? Their scholarships are year to year so why should they be held to a higher standard than a coach or an AD or a regular student for that matter? Again, everybody is free to feel how they want to feel I just don't see why guys moving around more should equate to me not cheering for my alma mater or enjoying its success less. JMO

The way I see this is that the coach and AD sign contracts. There are penalties for either side if those contracts are broken. A regular student pays tuition and receives an education in return for as long as they want to attend and progress. Huge differences.

A student-athlete is not a regular student. They are typically offered a free ride in exchange for a commitment to the program. Most aren’t ready to hit the floor running and the coach makes an investment in their development. If the student-athlete chooses to not honor said commitment and up and leaves after one year it’s a wasted investment. The school, coach and team suffer consequences but the student-athlete does not.

There are varying degrees of accountability and commitment for almost everyone mentioned here. The school, the AD, the coach, the professor and the regular student. Only one is missing.

What about a student who is on a full ride academic scholarship? If another school offers them a better scholarship should they be allowed to transfer? Should academic scholarships be treated differently then athletic?

Regarding the AD and coaches signing contracts you're right but those are bilateral contracts negotiated by two equal parties. In a scholarship offer (as of now) those are unilateral contracts that are pretty much take it or leave it. The player doesn't have the opportunity to negotiate the terms of an LOI regarding playing time, etc. like a coach or AD could for salary or guaranteed time. Really the only leverage they have in the current scheme is the transfer option whereas the school can pull their scholarship at the end of each academic year. That would seem to be fair for both sides?

(04-24-2023 11:51 AM)heyradio Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 10:41 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 10:19 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 09:50 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Honestly, for the first time in over 30 years, I'm genuinely losing interest in college basketball. No stability now. I'm all for players getting paid and being able to play where they want, but there has got to be some sort of rule that when you commit to a school you are committed for a minimum of 2 years. Imagine if players in the NBA could just up and left every single year when they wanted. It would ruin the NBA and that's what's happening here.

You have every right to an opinion so I'm not saying you're wrong but why does a guy being forced to be somewhere he doesn't want to be heighten your interest? Their scholarships are year to year so why should they be held to a higher standard than a coach or an AD or a regular student for that matter? Again, everybody is free to feel how they want to feel I just don't see why guys moving around more should equate to me not cheering for my alma mater or enjoying its success less. JMO

First off, please don’t attempt to box me in as some old fart that is mad that these players are able to have more freedom. Because I can assure you, I am not that. I argued till I was blue in the face that college players should be paid and have more freedom.

We all want a great and healthy college sports system. Guys moving around year to year creates instability within and therefore less interest amongst fans. It's why in the NBA, NFL and other professional sports have a system in which players (for the big majority) are not moving around year to year. So, when you create less interest like this, it in turns hurts the players. (Less revenue etc.) There has to be some sort of balance and system in place, otherwise it will fall apart.

Honestly, they just should just call it what it is. A semi-professional organization. I have no qualms with that. Have multi - year contracts for players like they do in professional sports that creates incentive for them wanting to stay at their school. Because having a whole new team every year is probably not the answer. As I previously stated, the NBA, NFL of MLB would not be as popular as it is if 80% of the team left out every year.

Players having multi-year contracts is exactly where all of this is heading.

Probably right. I see those being relatively useless too because how much recruiting goodwill would a school burn by suing a player to compel performance and/or seek damages? I feel the same way about NLI tbh.

(04-24-2023 02:32 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 10:41 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 10:19 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 09:50 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Honestly, for the first time in over 30 years, I'm genuinely losing interest in college basketball. No stability now. I'm all for players getting paid and being able to play where they want, but there has got to be some sort of rule that when you commit to a school you are committed for a minimum of 2 years. Imagine if players in the NBA could just up and left every single year when they wanted. It would ruin the NBA and that's what's happening here.

You have every right to an opinion so I'm not saying you're wrong but why does a guy being forced to be somewhere he doesn't want to be heighten your interest? Their scholarships are year to year so why should they be held to a higher standard than a coach or an AD or a regular student for that matter? Again, everybody is free to feel how they want to feel I just don't see why guys moving around more should equate to me not cheering for my alma mater or enjoying its success less. JMO

First off, please don’t attempt to box me in as some old fart that is mad that these players are able to have more freedom. Because I can assure you, I am not that. I argued till I was blue in the face that college players should be paid and have more freedom.

We all want a great and healthy college sports system. Guys moving around year to year creates instability within and therefore less interest amongst fans. It's why in the NBA, NFL and other professional sports have a system in which players (for the big majority) are not moving around year to year. So, when you create less interest like this, it in turns hurts the players. (Less revenue etc.) There has to be some sort of balance and system in place, otherwise it will fall apart.

Honestly, they just should just call it what it is. A semi-professional organization. I have no qualms with that. Have multi - year contracts for players like they do in professional sports that creates incentive for them wanting to stay at their school. Because having a whole new team every year is probably not the answer. As I previously stated, the NBA, NFL of MLB would not be as popular as it is if 80% of the team left out every year.

Ha, no boxing in just an honest question and I 100% get where you're coming from. Like I said, I get why some people wouldn't like the change I just like to hear why.

All good

I'm not super surprised about this. Also the TL Johnson news isn't surprising. What is alarming is how little roster stability we have right now. Even if Penny is able to pull two rabbits out of his hat (Jaden Bradley and a big), this roster has a ton of holes. I just don't see a PG (and ideally, a backup PG), a proven scorer, and two (maybe even 3) bigs materializing.

(04-24-2023 01:57 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  He's very talented and can become a really good college player with progressive POT each year.

Is this what Andre Allen was smoking?

I'm already anticipating the excuses for this next season (which right now, looks lucky to be in bubble-territory). Another "rebuilding" year.

At this point, both Jayden and Ashton might both be starters.

Will we blame Mikey? A slow-coming together roster (even with the pieces we're able to cobble together, we have very little stability and likely they won't be meshing together until late summer)?

I'll admit that I'm down on Penny, but I really think that his high-water mark will be "almost beating Gonzaga."

Part of it is just the nature of the playing field in college sports now. The bigger schools in better conferences who have more $ are going to get the best players & roster turnover will affect the lesser schools like Memphis more than the big boys. Unfortunately we are on the outside looking in with this new landscape

(04-24-2023 05:51 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  I'm already anticipating the excuses for this next season (which right now, looks lucky to be in bubble-territory). Another "rebuilding" year.

At this point, both Jayden and Ashton might both be starters.

Will we blame Mikey? A slow-coming together roster (even with the pieces we're able to cobble together, we have very little stability and likely they won't be meshing together until late summer)?

I'll admit that I'm down on Penny, but I really think that his high-water mark will be "almost beating Gonzaga."

I’d have to go with beating #1 Houston

(04-24-2023 07:16 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 05:51 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  I'm already anticipating the excuses for this next season (which right now, looks lucky to be in bubble-territory). Another "rebuilding" year.

At this point, both Jayden and Ashton might both be starters.

Will we blame Mikey? A slow-coming together roster (even with the pieces we're able to cobble together, we have very little stability and likely they won't be meshing together until late summer)?

I'll admit that I'm down on Penny, but I really think that his high-water mark will be "almost beating Gonzaga."

I’d have to go with beating #1 Houston

How quickly we forget.

I think it means some else hopefully better is coming in.

(04-24-2023 09:23 PM)AtlTigerfan Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 07:16 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 05:51 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  I'm already anticipating the excuses for this next season (which right now, looks lucky to be in bubble-territory). Another "rebuilding" year.

At this point, both Jayden and Ashton might both be starters.

Will we blame Mikey? A slow-coming together roster (even with the pieces we're able to cobble together, we have very little stability and likely they won't be meshing together until late summer)?

I'll admit that I'm down on Penny, but I really think that his high-water mark will be "almost beating Gonzaga."

I’d have to go with beating #1 Houston

How quickly we forget.

I think it means some else hopefully better is coming in.

On a neutral site at that.

What gonna do people in is that the new AAC is better than the old CUSA ever was. When Penny loses a game people are going to fire him, but we are not going 16-0 every year in the new AAC. we won't be the favorites next year.

(04-24-2023 05:51 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  I'm already anticipating the excuses for this next season (which right now, looks lucky to be in bubble-territory). Another "rebuilding" year.

At this point, both Jayden and Ashton might both be starters.

Will we blame Mikey? A slow-coming together roster (even with the pieces we're able to cobble together, we have very little stability and likely they won't be meshing together until late summer)?

I'll admit that I'm down on Penny, but I really think that his high-water mark will be "almost beating Gonzaga."

As long as we make a sweet 16 next season, all is fine.... Anything short of a Sweet 16 and I will be down on Penny as well.

(04-24-2023 11:05 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 09:23 PM)AtlTigerfan Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 07:16 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 05:51 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  I'm already anticipating the excuses for this next season (which right now, looks lucky to be in bubble-territory). Another "rebuilding" year.

At this point, both Jayden and Ashton might both be starters.

Will we blame Mikey? A slow-coming together roster (even with the pieces we're able to cobble together, we have very little stability and likely they won't be meshing together until late summer)?

I'll admit that I'm down on Penny, but I really think that his high-water mark will be "almost beating Gonzaga."

I’d have to go with beating #1 Houston

How quickly we forget.

I think it means some else hopefully better is coming in.

On a neutral site at that.

What gonna do people in is that the new AAC is better than the old CUSA ever was. When Penny loses a game people are going to fire him, but we are not going 16-0 every year in the new AAC. we won't be the favorites next year.

Exactly how many times have we gone 16-0 in the AAC?

(04-24-2023 11:21 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Lol. He was TOO slow and unathletic like most of the Lawsons...

Y'all griping like this departure is a negative. About time Penny got serious about making the team in the imagine he'd like to see.

Can't play the style he envisions with slow, unathletic players. Duhh

I agree 100%.. Even his 3 pt shooting form was bit lazy.

He was another hyped Lawson kid, not a major loss TBH.. J is leaving because his playing time was gonna be about the same next year with the incoming transfers.. Wish him well.

Hope Chandler stays.. He did show a lot of improvement toward the end of the season thanks to Dorsey coaching the bigs.

(04-24-2023 06:40 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Part of it is just the nature of the playing field in college sports now. The bigger schools in better conferences who have more $ are going to get the best players & roster turnover will affect the lesser schools like Memphis more than the big boys. Unfortunately we are on the outside looking in with this new landscape

I just do not see how this is true at all. Penny has successfully recruited both high school players and the transfer portal with the best of the "bigger schools".

Recruiting has not been the issue. Putting together a complete roster instead of stockpiling players of the same ilk and having a cohesive unit for an entire season are the issues Penny has struggled with.

(04-25-2023 07:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 06:40 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Part of it is just the nature of the playing field in college sports now. The bigger schools in better conferences who have more $ are going to get the best players & roster turnover will affect the lesser schools like Memphis more than the big boys. Unfortunately we are on the outside looking in with this new landscape

I just do not see how this is true at all. Penny has successfully recruited both high school players and the transfer portal with the best of the "bigger schools".

Recruiting has not been the issue. Putting together a complete roster instead of stockpiling players of the same ilk and having a cohesive unit for an entire season are the issues Penny has struggled with.

Pastner and Penny have always struggled with roster balance. In 2022 we needed a point guard, last year we needed another big.