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Emoni Bates & OT Stuff
Has entered the 2023 NBA draft.

I don't know if he can withdraw. Maybe someone knows these details.
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(04-24-2023 08:06 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Has entered the 2023 NBA draft.

I don't know if he can withdraw. Maybe someone knows these details.

I am assuming this is the source?
https://mobile.twitter.com/thevannzee/st...3214426113

The deadline to withdraw is June 12. But the fact that Emoni Bates announced it to the media implies to me he is gone. If he was just testing the waters for free workouts with NBA camps, there would be no need to inform the media. Just my speculation- but strong feeling this is final.
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The dream was such a disappointment. And I don’t mind and I don’t blame Emoni Bates for that at all- it is what it is. But I do find it a little annoying that he would wait for the last second to declare. Everything is always such a mystery with the kid.

Looking forward to going back to a “normal” roster next year. Though, I do value the coverage EMU got last year from Emoni Bates being on the team. And the opportunity to dream. So no regrets. And of course will always wish him the best in the NBA!!!!
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RE: Emoni Bates
(04-24-2023 08:52 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(04-24-2023 08:06 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Has entered the 2023 NBA draft.

I don't know if he can withdraw. Maybe someone knows these details.

I am assuming this is the source?
https://mobile.twitter.com/thevannzee/st...3214426113

The deadline to withdraw is June 12. But the fact that Emoni Bates announced it to the media implies to me he is gone. If he was just testing the waters for free workouts with NBA camps, there would be no need to inform the media. Just my speculation- but strong feeling this is final.

Totally depends on the kid, program and amount of media coverage.

Smaller schools like ours that get actual coverage have stories about guys entering to see how its going to go all the time.

In our situation, not having media that covers us regularly, we're not going to get that story.
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RE: Emoni Bates
(04-24-2023 09:14 AM)truEMU07 Wrote:  
(04-24-2023 08:52 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(04-24-2023 08:06 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Has entered the 2023 NBA draft.

I don't know if he can withdraw. Maybe someone knows these details.

I am assuming this is the source?
https://mobile.twitter.com/thevannzee/st...3214426113

The deadline to withdraw is June 12. But the fact that Emoni Bates announced it to the media implies to me he is gone. If he was just testing the waters for free workouts with NBA camps, there would be no need to inform the media. Just my speculation- but strong feeling this is final.

Totally depends on the kid, program and amount of media coverage.

Smaller schools like ours that get actual coverage have stories about guys entering to see how its going to go all the time.

In our situation, not having media that covers us regularly, we're not going to get that story.

I do recognize what you are saying. JT4 and Elijah Minnie both declared and withdrew to see their standing at camps and what not. (There was no media on it other than some Twitter posts that they were talking with so and so team). But I don’t think this is the case with Emoni Bates- who is a pretty well known commodity to the NBA already.

Plus, when he has now posted on Instagram “I have been dreaming of this my whole life”, I think this is a final decision.
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RE: Emoni Bates
https://theathletic.com/4444758/2023/04/...nba-draft/

The Athletic has him at the 78th overall prospect - which is on the low end of big boards ive seen.

Will Bates get drafted?
Whether Bates will get drafted this June is an interesting question. On the one hand, scouts are intrigued by his high-level shot-making; perhaps no player in college basketball made more difficult contested long jump shots. On the other hand, there isn’t a lot else there.

Bates was an ineffective distributor, forced a myriad of bad shots and barely tried on defense. Is he athletic enough for the next level? Can his rail-thin body fill out? His youth and pedigree would likely compel somebody to take the plunge in the second round, but it’s not a sure thing.
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RE: Emoni Bates
(04-24-2023 09:35 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/4444758/2023/04/...nba-draft/

The Athletic has him at the 78th overall prospect - which is on the low end of big boards ive seen.

Will Bates get drafted?
Whether Bates will get drafted this June is an interesting question. On the one hand, scouts are intrigued by his high-level shot-making; perhaps no player in college basketball made more difficult contested long jump shots. On the other hand, there isn’t a lot else there.

Bates was an ineffective distributor, forced a myriad of bad shots and barely tried on defense. Is he athletic enough for the next level? Can his rail-thin body fill out? His youth and pedigree would likely compel somebody to take the plunge in the second round, but it’s not a sure thing.

Not a great ball handler and made a lot of charges when he drove to basket. Still when he is on he's one of the best pure shooters period. Is that going to be enough?
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(04-24-2023 09:35 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/4444758/2023/04/...nba-draft/

The Athletic has him at the 78th overall prospect - which is on the low end of big boards ive seen.

Will Bates get drafted?
Whether Bates will get drafted this June is an interesting question. On the one hand, scouts are intrigued by his high-level shot-making; perhaps no player in college basketball made more difficult contested long jump shots. On the other hand, there isn’t a lot else there.

Bates was an ineffective distributor, forced a myriad of bad shots and barely tried on defense. Is he athletic enough for the next level? Can his rail-thin body fill out? His youth and pedigree would likely compel somebody to take the plunge in the second round, but it’s not a sure thing.

Good stuff. He is a very solid college player, but not an NBA player. There are plenty of stiff 6’9 guys that can only shoot threes. If he gets drafted, it’s entirely on name recognition and his age.

I appreciate him coming here and filling up the stands, but I think we are going to be better and more balanced without him.
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RE: Emoni Bates
One thing to keep in mind: IF he has maintained his academic eligibility thru this past semester he can withdraw until June 12 (?) if he wishes.

I assume he won't but indicating the possibility does exist per NBA rules.
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I don’t blame Emoni but he changed the trajectory of coach Heath’s direction. Coach Heath decided to take the gamble that Emoni might attract big time talent and it didn’t happen. Instead Coach Heath lost the foundation of this program- Noah Farrakhan. Heath elected to continue building his program with a one dimensional player and it burnt him and EMU. For sure Heath is starting all over again and the most talented and fundamental player - Noah will shine elsewhere. Many of us projected that the talented players would leave and the less talented players would stay. I’ve not figured out what identity he wants his teams to have because it clearly hasn’t been on fundamentally sound basketball.
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(04-24-2023 11:30 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I don’t blame Emoni but he changed the trajectory of coach Heath’s direction. Coach Heath decided to take the gamble that Emoni might attract big time talent and it didn’t happen. Instead Coach Heath lost the foundation of this program- Noah Farrakhan. Heath elected to continue building his program with a one dimensional player and it burnt him and EMU. For sure Heath is starting all over again and the most talented and fundamental player - Noah will shine elsewhere. Many of us projected that the talented players would leave and the less talented players would stay. I’ve not figured out what identity he wants his teams to have because it clearly hasn’t been on fundamentally sound basketball.
I couldn't have said it any better.......What happens in year 3? He has to get better then his 9-22 average!
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RE: Emoni Bates
Luckey posted a good article about Emoni Bates in the other thread.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...145519007/

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Much more than his skills, his ability to be a good teammate was a question from outsiders. Heath said it wasn't an issue inside.

"He was terrific," Heath said. "If you really get to know him, his teammates liked him as a person, I liked him as a person, everyone respects how hard he works — staying in the gym, working extra, getting more shots up, his passion, because he really wants to win, he really wants to be good.


"Sometimes that translated into, 'Oh, he's too emotional,' but as the season went on, he really learned how to handle things a lot better, the ups and downs, the crowds, the referees.

"He got a better handle on how to handle those things. I did enjoy coaching him."
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RE: Emoni Bates
Also from the article…

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…Bates was a boon at the box office….
That led some to speculate he might be open to a second season, given the NIL opportunities he took advantage of in his first year. But a second season was never part of the plan, Heath reiterated.
END QUOTE

I am not at all demonizing Emoni for the NIL deal, but the fact that he got paid makes me so much more critical of his performance. (He was still really good of course, 19.2 ppg is not easy)
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I’m going to try to be charitable with my words here:
“It might have been”.
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(04-24-2023 05:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Luckey posted a good article about Emoni Bates in the other thread.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...145519007/

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Much more than his skills, his ability to be a good teammate was a question from outsiders. Heath said it wasn't an issue inside.

"He was terrific," Heath said. "If you really get to know him, his teammates liked him as a person, I liked him as a person, everyone respects how hard he works — staying in the gym, working extra, getting more shots up, his passion, because he really wants to win, he really wants to be good.


"Sometimes that translated into, 'Oh, he's too emotional,' but as the season went on, he really learned how to handle things a lot better, the ups and downs, the crowds, the referees.

"He got a better handle on how to handle those things. I did enjoy coaching him."
End Quote

Well Stan lets look at the stats shall we? From today's Detroit Free Press article which is free.

Bates had 76 turnovers and just 42 assists in the 2022-23 season, which seems to be a fair synopsis of his shoot-first style. He attempted 7.7 3-pointers per game and shot 33%, lower than you would like to see on that type of volume. And although he stands at 6-foot-9 (or maybe taller, depending on who you ask) his slight frame of just 190 pounds allows him to be pushed around at times, in addition to occasional effort-questions of the defensive side.

Eastern Michigan didn't get into the MAC tournament and went 8-23 overall.

"Bates' tough shot-making prowess and overall scoring instincts hold some appeal, but he plays such a losing brand of basketball on both ends of the floor, making him a relatively tough sell," Givony said.

Correct. He didn't help Memphis win anything. He didn't help EMU win anything either.
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(04-25-2023 02:49 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(04-24-2023 05:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Luckey posted a good article about Emoni Bates in the other thread.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...145519007/

For those without a subscription, an excerpt…

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Much more than his skills, his ability to be a good teammate was a question from outsiders. Heath said it wasn't an issue inside.

"He was terrific," Heath said. "If you really get to know him, his teammates liked him as a person, I liked him as a person, everyone respects how hard he works — staying in the gym, working extra, getting more shots up, his passion, because he really wants to win, he really wants to be good.


"Sometimes that translated into, 'Oh, he's too emotional,' but as the season went on, he really learned how to handle things a lot better, the ups and downs, the crowds, the referees.

"He got a better handle on how to handle those things. I did enjoy coaching him."
End Quote

Well Stan lets look at the stats shall we? From today's Detroit Free Press article which is free.

Bates had 76 turnovers and just 42 assists in the 2022-23 season, which seems to be a fair synopsis of his shoot-first style. He attempted 7.7 3-pointers per game and shot 33%, lower than you would like to see on that type of volume. And although he stands at 6-foot-9 (or maybe taller, depending on who you ask) his slight frame of just 190 pounds allows him to be pushed around at times, in addition to occasional effort-questions of the defensive side.

Eastern Michigan didn't get into the MAC tournament and went 8-23 overall.

"Bates' tough shot-making prowess and overall scoring instincts hold some appeal, but he plays such a losing brand of basketball on both ends of the floor, making him a relatively tough sell," Givony said.

Correct. He didn't help Memphis win anything. He didn't help EMU win anything either.

Yep - the few games we did win, Bates tried to shoot us out of victory. I mean at the end of a couple games we held slim leads and Bates jacked up unnecessary shot’s early in the shot clock due to him trying to pad his stats.
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(04-24-2023 05:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Luckey posted a good article about Emoni Bates in the other thread.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...145519007/

For those without a subscription, an excerpt…

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Much more than his skills, his ability to be a good teammate was a question from outsiders. Heath said it wasn't an issue inside.

"He was terrific," Heath said. "If you really get to know him, his teammates liked him as a person, I liked him as a person, everyone respects how hard he works — staying in the gym, working extra, getting more shots up, his passion, because he really wants to win, he really wants to be good.


"Sometimes that translated into, 'Oh, he's too emotional,' but as the season went on, he really learned how to handle things a lot better, the ups and downs, the crowds, the referees.

"He got a better handle on how to handle those things. I did enjoy coaching him."
End Quote

One wonders what the results would have been if Stan had acted more like a coach with Bates instead of acting more like Bates agent. Sounds to me like Bates did whatever he wanted with little consequences from the coaching staff. The net result is Health didn't make Bates a better player but let Emoni to his own excesses.
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RE: Emoni Bates
Couldn’t have said that Givony quote better if I tried. Perfect encapsulation of my thoughts on him. Tantalizing talent, especially in the MAC, but his style of play is not conducive to winning. And I think the apathy on the defensive end was contagious…a “if our best player isn’t trying on that end, then why should we?” mentality. I truly believe we will see significant improvements from some players (especially in the front court) now that he’s gone.

As for Emoni’s future, I think his best chance to make the league is being a catch-and-shoot guy that’s constantly moving around screens. The less ball-handling and attacking the basket in the half court, the better. He’s never going to be Kevin Durant, but he could conceivably be a taller Kentavious Caldwell-Pope if he accepts being a role player. That would require him fully committing on the defensive end though, and sometimes that’s all too much to ask of a former prodigy. I truly hope I’m wrong, but I see G-League and Europe or China in his future.
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The future outcome on Emoni Bates career does seem pretty uncertain at this point. Lots of potential and lots of questions. Flashes of extreme talent and long shooting slumps. Maybe he did not meet his original hype, or maybe never recovered from injury at Memphis, or maybe he is just still developing into who he is going to become. Hard to say.

I think we all agree that it is clear, his trajectory is no longer to be “one of the greatest of all time”. But I do think he will find a somewhat significant role in the NBA.

As for his time at EMU, Bovine stated it with perfect tact of a statesman, “What might have been”. With the clarity of hindsight, a one year commitment given how raw and developing Emoni still was probably wasn’t going to work out. But I do think he developed over the course of the year. At one point I tallied stats that I am listing below.

Non-Conference to Conference (note, this was tallied prior to the end of the season so may not fully accurate)
0.3 to 0.6 bpg
0 .5 to 1 spg
1.2 to 2 apg

This clear yet meager improvement is little solace to an EMU fan still reeling from such a disappointing season. But it does show growth of Emoni Bates while still in his “freshman year of the class assigned at birth”. So it is possible he does a sophomore leap but in the NBA next year. Or not.

As 79 has said earlier in the season, EMU helped Emoni Bates more than Emoni Bates helped EMU. Perhaps that was true after all, at least in the short term. There was some great national exposure and bridged the gap a little with the Ypsi community rooting on their native son, but will also go down as a historically and infamously bad season. However, EMU basketball will recover.

I am as excited this year about having young Providence and Georgetown transfers in our frontcourt as I was last year. And feel more promise for Randle and Jihad then I did last year. And just plain like what we have in our backcourt (wish Noah was part of it, but still). The cupboard is not bare. And will improve on continuity and growth and balance as Sam has suggested. Hopefully Coach Heath can use that to rebound (figuratively and perhaps literally).

And hopefully Emoni Bates continues his development in the NBA. And makes it after all. And after he does, I hope he remembers his hometown university and how they helped him recover his path.
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