(04-26-2023 11:45 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 09:38 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 08:19 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 08:05 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 04:01 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  It actually began as a slogan and hashtag. This was before the organization, BLMGN, was established. I think that’s where the confusion lies. I doubt a LOT of people and or companies had any intention whatsoever of supporting the Marxist agenda of BLMGN. Including our football team and university.

Apparently, the team wanted to make a statement, the slogan was mentioned and just like that the stickers were born. It sounds to me like someone failed to do their homework. Big time. Be mad about that. It was a volatile time, things were rushed and lessons were learned.

Some here seem to think the university willfully associated themselves with BLMGN and Marxism. Laird explained that the university had no intention of associating themselves with any group or anything else. That their only intention was to show support for the student-athletes. That sounds much more plausible to me and I believe him.

I highly doubt we were the only ones left with egg on our faces. Companies began donating to a movement before they knew exactly where that money was going. Oops.

Pretty much how I saw it.

they were trying to support the phrase, NOT the organization. But what do I know, I'm just an evil cop, apparently.

I think that is as likely a scenario as any. Fine, **** happens. But once the ugly truth comes out where is the contrite apology? "Hey, we didn't understand at the time what BLM was all about. We renounce our support and apologize to our fannbase."

That's all it would have taken. Since it didn't happen (and yeah it is waaaay too late now) I can only assume that they know and fully understand exactly what they were and in fact probably still do (albeit in a quieter fashion) support.

There is no apology to be made. They clearly gave an exact definition of why the stickers were there. They clearly said that there was no political motive of any kind.
Wtf.

Again, I respect your opinion but based on how it all turned out I will continue to disagree. It doesn't make my opinion better than yours - it's just what I think and how I read the entire situation.

The problem is that the facts surrounding many of the deaths used to kick off the BLM movement were grossly misrepresented.

There used to be a really bad problem in this country with way blacks got treated but by the mid 1980's it was over. Affirmative action and minority set asides were prevalent.

There are bad cops just like there are bad people in every walk of life. That is no excuse for all the retaliation killings that occurred and were egged on by the liberal media.

Unarmed white males get killed too. Name one. You can't. Media did not incite a riot over them. Doesn't make either kind right but remember some of these career criminals forced the action.

I would not be a cop, much less a white cop in a major metropolitan area for a million dollars a year.

The liberal 'clickbait' media has highjacked common sense and has made it a racist offense to speak the truth.

You could literally eff your own grandmother and talk about it and it's still better than being labeled a 'racist' in this county.

(04-26-2023 07:11 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  The problem is that the facts surrounding many of the deaths used to kick off the BLM movement were grossly misrepresented.

There used to be a really bad problem in this country with way blacks got treated but by the mid 1980's it was over. Affirmative action and minority set asides were prevalent.

There are bad cops just like there are bad people in every walk of life. That is no excuse for all the retaliation killings that occurred and were egged on by the liberal media.

Unarmed white males get killed too. Name one. You can't. Media did not incite a riot over them. Doesn't make either kind right but remember some of these career criminals force the action.

I would not be a cop, much less a white cop in a major metropolitan area for a million dollars a year.

You shouldn't make that kind of assumption. If a person can't do that then it's because they either don't look at news online at all or are very selective in what they pay attention to. Now if your argument is that it's not pushed in national media on TV, then I would be more inclined to agree.

Also, and I'm not saying you in this case, while facts are not racist, certain groups (and not just those of European descent) will be selective of those facts to create a biased narrative.

(04-26-2023 06:45 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 10:36 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 05:18 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 08:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 08:19 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Veatch and Silverfield stood up against the continued slaughter of unarmed Black people by vicious out of control racist cops. Just because you support the cops doesn't mean you are not political. You are probably evil as well.

You do realize that a whole lot more white people are killed by Cops than black people don't you? You can look it up. It's not even close.

Police officers and people who support them are 'evil'. Wow - no stereotyping going on here....

Police officers are people and as such some of them are going to be ******** and some of them will BECOME ******** due to what they get exposed to day after day, month after month, year after year on the job

You swallowed the entire bs narrative hook, line, and sinker.

People like you make me want to vomit.

Well said, but as usual not what they want to hear, so it can't be true.

Just to be fair to the point:

The argument has always been black Americans are disproportionally killed by police than whites. Whites would always have more as a total because whites make up a little over 61% of the country are white alone (meaning no other race included) and blacks are at 13%.

1,097 people were killed by police in 2022. 225 were black. That is 20.5% of the killings while making up 13 of the US Population. It's a disproportion. (It has actually gotten better as it was 27% of the killings in 2021.)

I don't think the argument is *more* black Americans are killed than white Americans by police and never has been. Just that it has been disproportionate to the populations which signal an issue that police are more prone to shooting and killing black individuals more so.

I'm not advocating either way here, just tryin to make sure we present it truthfully of what the argument has been and not what people tried to turn it into via total numbers. Of course the *more* there is of one group the likelihood is they will have more of as well.

Well, if we are going to be fair and bring statistics and population by % race into it then lets go all way. What % of violent crimes are attributable to each race. I think you will find that a certain 13% of the population commits a hugely disproportionate % of violent crimes.

Facts are not racist, they are just facts.

Once again: Wasn't advocating a position but just reframing the argument to its appropriate perimeters but here is what I can see form a Reason article:

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/04/24/rac...ent-crime/ (Though it's focus is on black-on-black crime, it at least shares some of the stats and data about the violent crime issue.)

Yes, black Americans tend to commit a higher rate of violent crime per capita.

But I would argue that there isn't any established data linking why blacks get killed disproportionately by police between which race commits disproportionately more violent crime. These are are not correlated pieces of data. One doesn't beget the other outside of a perceived environment that a police office would be "justified" in expecting violence from a black person more so than white, which probably would lend credence to police having racial biases. (I am not arguing that is the case.)

The data doesn't really have that kind of information involved:

Why was the person killed?
What were they doing at the time?
Why did the officer(s) feel endangered?
Were there other means of incapacitating other than shooting?
Was the person committing a violent crime or non-violent?

We need a lot more data points for a realistic conclusion. I believe they were supposed to be working on changing how they compile data on these issues, but I'm not 100% that is true.

One could make the argument based on it that whites commit more violent crime by volume but are still killed at a lesser % by cops for their crimes, thus indicating police willingness to find ways to apprehend white criminals without resorting to killing them. (And once again, none of the data correlates this information because it's purely numbers.)

I think what I'm trying to say is: Data without context is fairly meaningless. You can call them facts, but without context, you don't really see the picture because none of this happens in a vacuum. And I think we ALL too often forget about context to try and fit our own narratives.

I agree with Morgan Freeman - the best way to get over racism is to stop talking about it. Slicing and dicing every statistic by race only serves to divide the country. Of course, those pushing the racism narrative want the divide as wide as possible - otherwise, they wouldn't have a job.

(04-27-2023 08:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  I agree with Morgan Freeman - the best way to get over racism is to stop talking about it. Slicing and dicing every statistic by race only serves to divide the country. Of course, those pushing the racism narrative want the divide as wide as possible - otherwise, they wouldn't have a job.

Correct. Find racism in everything.

(04-27-2023 08:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  I agree with Morgan Freeman - the best way to get over racism is to stop talking about it. Slicing and dicing every statistic by race only serves to divide the country. Of course, those pushing the racism narrative want the divide as wide as possible - otherwise, they wouldn't have a job.

Correct. Find racism in everything.

Sociology is one of those branches of "science" that irritates the crap out of me because it's whole purpose is to break things down demographically and try to assign reasons, etc. It's not bad to know. But it has become bad to base every decision based on sociological data rather than just dealing with things at large.

I don't think not talking about it is "getting over racism" - it just sweeps it under the rug. But social media has really been the frontrunner of bringing the stories to the forefront. A lot of people talk how racism seemed to be disappearing up until recently but I guess that deserves the question: Were we just not talking about it, or is social media just making us more aware of its occurrences?

On the flipside, we could also point out: Is it really that prevalent or are we just more acutely aware thanks to social media? A lot of people created new conspiracies because they're just now learning about train derailments and manufacturing and food processing fires occur very often, but never paid attention until social media brought every little event to the platforms.

(04-27-2023 08:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  I agree with Morgan Freeman - the best way to get over racism is to stop talking about it. Slicing and dicing every statistic by race only serves to divide the country. Of course, those pushing the racism narrative want the divide as wide as possible - otherwise, they wouldn't have a job.

THIS!

(04-26-2023 06:45 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 10:36 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 05:18 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 08:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 08:19 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Veatch and Silverfield stood up against the continued slaughter of unarmed Black people by vicious out of control racist cops. Just because you support the cops doesn't mean you are not political. You are probably evil as well.

You do realize that a whole lot more white people are killed by Cops than black people don't you? You can look it up. It's not even close.

Police officers and people who support them are 'evil'. Wow - no stereotyping going on here....

Police officers are people and as such some of them are going to be ******** and some of them will BECOME ******** due to what they get exposed to day after day, month after month, year after year on the job

You swallowed the entire bs narrative hook, line, and sinker.

People like you make me want to vomit.

Well said, but as usual not what they want to hear, so it can't be true.

Just to be fair to the point:

The argument has always been black Americans are disproportionally killed by police than whites. Whites would always have more as a total because whites make up a little over 61% of the country are white alone (meaning no other race included) and blacks are at 13%.

1,097 people were killed by police in 2022. 225 were black. That is 20.5% of the killings while making up 13 of the US Population. It's a disproportion. (It has actually gotten better as it was 27% of the killings in 2021.)

I don't think the argument is *more* black Americans are killed than white Americans by police and never has been. Just that it has been disproportionate to the populations which signal an issue that police are more prone to shooting and killing black individuals more so.

I'm not advocating either way here, just tryin to make sure we present it truthfully of what the argument has been and not what people tried to turn it into via total numbers. Of course the *more* there is of one group the likelihood is they will have more of as well.

Well, if we are going to be fair and bring statistics and population by % race into it then lets go all way. What % of violent crimes are attributable to each race. I think you will find that a certain 13% of the population commits a hugely disproportionate % of violent crimes.

Facts are not racist, they are just facts.

The poor and disadvantaged? Replace race with social class and I suspect you’ll find similar numbers.

(04-27-2023 09:05 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  I agree with Morgan Freeman - the best way to get over racism is to stop talking about it. Slicing and dicing every statistic by race only serves to divide the country. Of course, those pushing the racism narrative want the divide as wide as possible - otherwise, they wouldn't have a job.

Correct. Find racism in everything.

Sociology is one of those branches of "science" that irritates the crap out of me because it's whole purpose is to break things down demographically and try to assign reasons, etc. It's not bad to know. But it has become bad to base every decision based on sociological data rather than just dealing with things at large.

I don't think not talking about it is "getting over racism" - it just sweeps it under the rug. But social media has really been the frontrunner of bringing the stories to the forefront. A lot of people talk how racism seemed to be disappearing up until recently but I guess that deserves the question: Were we just not talking about it, or is social media just making us more aware of its occurrences?

On the flipside, we could also point out: Is it really that prevalent or are we just more acutely aware thanks to social media? A lot of people created new conspiracies because they're just now learning about train derailments and manufacturing and food processing fires occur very often, but never paid attention until social media brought every little event to the platforms.

It might not be a good analogy, but let's say you go to the same restaurant once a week and order pasta and a glass of wine and it comes out to around $25. Then, your boss decides to treat you and tells you that next week is on them. So instead of ordering pasta and a glass of wine, you order a tomahawk and three bottles of wine and the bill is $250.

The core issues, racism, bias and inequity are real issues; BUT, now literally everything is racist. Not only that, white people have to be taught that they are racist just for being white, and they are teaching all little kids of all ethnic origins; that white people are racist and that they are at a huge disadvantage for everything.

So you go from a very real awareness and a very real effort to be more conscious and effect change, to one side going completely crazy to create division and hatred that wouldn't exist otherwise.

(04-27-2023 09:33 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 06:45 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 10:36 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 05:18 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 08:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  You do realize that a whole lot more white people are killed by Cops than black people don't you? You can look it up. It's not even close.

Police officers and people who support them are 'evil'. Wow - no stereotyping going on here....

Police officers are people and as such some of them are going to be ******** and some of them will BECOME ******** due to what they get exposed to day after day, month after month, year after year on the job

You swallowed the entire bs narrative hook, line, and sinker.

People like you make me want to vomit.

Well said, but as usual not what they want to hear, so it can't be true.

Just to be fair to the point:

The argument has always been black Americans are disproportionally killed by police than whites. Whites would always have more as a total because whites make up a little over 61% of the country are white alone (meaning no other race included) and blacks are at 13%.

1,097 people were killed by police in 2022. 225 were black. That is 20.5% of the killings while making up 13 of the US Population. It's a disproportion. (It has actually gotten better as it was 27% of the killings in 2021.)

I don't think the argument is *more* black Americans are killed than white Americans by police and never has been. Just that it has been disproportionate to the populations which signal an issue that police are more prone to shooting and killing black individuals more so.

I'm not advocating either way here, just tryin to make sure we present it truthfully of what the argument has been and not what people tried to turn it into via total numbers. Of course the *more* there is of one group the likelihood is they will have more of as well.

Well, if we are going to be fair and bring statistics and population by % race into it then lets go all way. What % of violent crimes are attributable to each race. I think you will find that a certain 13% of the population commits a hugely disproportionate % of violent crimes.

Facts are not racist, they are just facts.

The poor and disadvantaged? Replace race with social class and I suspect you’ll find similar numbers.

That is an absolute fact. Go to Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil, African countries, any country really where there is little or no difference in the ethnic makeup of the population.

Poor people commit more crime when they are the same colour. It doesn't matter what colour they are.

(04-27-2023 09:33 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 06:45 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 10:36 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 05:18 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 08:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  You do realize that a whole lot more white people are killed by Cops than black people don't you? You can look it up. It's not even close.

Police officers and people who support them are 'evil'. Wow - no stereotyping going on here....

Police officers are people and as such some of them are going to be ******** and some of them will BECOME ******** due to what they get exposed to day after day, month after month, year after year on the job

You swallowed the entire bs narrative hook, line, and sinker.

People like you make me want to vomit.

Well said, but as usual not what they want to hear, so it can't be true.

Just to be fair to the point:

The argument has always been black Americans are disproportionally killed by police than whites. Whites would always have more as a total because whites make up a little over 61% of the country are white alone (meaning no other race included) and blacks are at 13%.

1,097 people were killed by police in 2022. 225 were black. That is 20.5% of the killings while making up 13 of the US Population. It's a disproportion. (It has actually gotten better as it was 27% of the killings in 2021.)

I don't think the argument is *more* black Americans are killed than white Americans by police and never has been. Just that it has been disproportionate to the populations which signal an issue that police are more prone to shooting and killing black individuals more so.

I'm not advocating either way here, just tryin to make sure we present it truthfully of what the argument has been and not what people tried to turn it into via total numbers. Of course the *more* there is of one group the likelihood is they will have more of as well.

Well, if we are going to be fair and bring statistics and population by % race into it then lets go all way. What % of violent crimes are attributable to each race. I think you will find that a certain 13% of the population commits a hugely disproportionate % of violent crimes.

Facts are not racist, they are just facts.

The poor and disadvantaged? Replace race with social class and I suspect you’ll find similar numbers.

A whole lot more than 13% of the population is poor.

(04-27-2023 11:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 09:05 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  I agree with Morgan Freeman - the best way to get over racism is to stop talking about it. Slicing and dicing every statistic by race only serves to divide the country. Of course, those pushing the racism narrative want the divide as wide as possible - otherwise, they wouldn't have a job.

Correct. Find racism in everything.

Sociology is one of those branches of "science" that irritates the crap out of me because it's whole purpose is to break things down demographically and try to assign reasons, etc. It's not bad to know. But it has become bad to base every decision based on sociological data rather than just dealing with things at large.

I don't think not talking about it is "getting over racism" - it just sweeps it under the rug. But social media has really been the frontrunner of bringing the stories to the forefront. A lot of people talk how racism seemed to be disappearing up until recently but I guess that deserves the question: Were we just not talking about it, or is social media just making us more aware of its occurrences?

On the flipside, we could also point out: Is it really that prevalent or are we just more acutely aware thanks to social media? A lot of people created new conspiracies because they're just now learning about train derailments and manufacturing and food processing fires occur very often, but never paid attention until social media brought every little event to the platforms.

It might not be a good analogy, but let's say you go to the same restaurant once a week and order pasta and a glass of wine and it comes out to around $25. Then, your boss decides to treat you and tells you that next week is on them. So instead of ordering pasta and a glass of wine, you order a tomahawk and three bottles of wine and the bill is $250.

The core issues, racism, bias and inequity are real issues; BUT, now literally everything is racist. Not only that, white people have to be taught that they are racist just for being white, and they are teaching all little kids of all ethnic origins; that white people are racist and that they are at a huge disadvantage for everything.

So you go from a very real awareness and a very real effort to be more conscious and effect change, to one side going completely crazy to create division and hatred that wouldn't exist otherwise.

I get it and I agree. I understand there can be a certain privilege gained from being white, but bringing awareness to some things versus just calling people racist for the color of their skin is...well...racism I believe. Racism is born out of tribalism/collectivism. And the argument. It alienates everyone who will empathize or willing to listen and undercuts the purpose and the message.

I don't think you can tell people to "check their privilege" and then tell them their privilege based on their color automatically makes them racist and that no other person can be racist because of a power dynamic. It just continues the tribalist/collectivist divisions that started the issues to begin with.

(04-27-2023 01:35 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 09:33 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 06:45 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 10:36 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 05:18 PM)dan o Wrote:  Well said, but as usual not what they want to hear, so it can't be true.

Just to be fair to the point:

The argument has always been black Americans are disproportionally killed by police than whites. Whites would always have more as a total because whites make up a little over 61% of the country are white alone (meaning no other race included) and blacks are at 13%.

1,097 people were killed by police in 2022. 225 were black. That is 20.5% of the killings while making up 13 of the US Population. It's a disproportion. (It has actually gotten better as it was 27% of the killings in 2021.)

I don't think the argument is *more* black Americans are killed than white Americans by police and never has been. Just that it has been disproportionate to the populations which signal an issue that police are more prone to shooting and killing black individuals more so.

I'm not advocating either way here, just tryin to make sure we present it truthfully of what the argument has been and not what people tried to turn it into via total numbers. Of course the *more* there is of one group the likelihood is they will have more of as well.

Well, if we are going to be fair and bring statistics and population by % race into it then lets go all way. What % of violent crimes are attributable to each race. I think you will find that a certain 13% of the population commits a hugely disproportionate % of violent crimes.

Facts are not racist, they are just facts.

The poor and disadvantaged? Replace race with social class and I suspect you’ll find similar numbers.

A whole lot more than 13% of the population is poor.

I'm interested in the point you're attempting to make?

(04-27-2023 03:01 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 01:35 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 09:33 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 06:45 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 10:36 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  Just to be fair to the point:

The argument has always been black Americans are disproportionally killed by police than whites. Whites would always have more as a total because whites make up a little over 61% of the country are white alone (meaning no other race included) and blacks are at 13%.

1,097 people were killed by police in 2022. 225 were black. That is 20.5% of the killings while making up 13 of the US Population. It's a disproportion. (It has actually gotten better as it was 27% of the killings in 2021.)

I don't think the argument is *more* black Americans are killed than white Americans by police and never has been. Just that it has been disproportionate to the populations which signal an issue that police are more prone to shooting and killing black individuals more so.

I'm not advocating either way here, just tryin to make sure we present it truthfully of what the argument has been and not what people tried to turn it into via total numbers. Of course the *more* there is of one group the likelihood is they will have more of as well.

Well, if we are going to be fair and bring statistics and population by % race into it then lets go all way. What % of violent crimes are attributable to each race. I think you will find that a certain 13% of the population commits a hugely disproportionate % of violent crimes.

Facts are not racist, they are just facts.

The poor and disadvantaged? Replace race with social class and I suspect you’ll find similar numbers.

A whole lot more than 13% of the population is poor.

I'm interested in the point you're attempting to make?

Lack of disposable income. Plus it’s not 13% here

(04-27-2023 03:01 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 01:35 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 09:33 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 06:45 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 10:36 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  Just to be fair to the point:

The argument has always been black Americans are disproportionally killed by police than whites. Whites would always have more as a total because whites make up a little over 61% of the country are white alone (meaning no other race included) and blacks are at 13%.

1,097 people were killed by police in 2022. 225 were black. That is 20.5% of the killings while making up 13 of the US Population. It's a disproportion. (It has actually gotten better as it was 27% of the killings in 2021.)

I don't think the argument is *more* black Americans are killed than white Americans by police and never has been. Just that it has been disproportionate to the populations which signal an issue that police are more prone to shooting and killing black individuals more so.

I'm not advocating either way here, just tryin to make sure we present it truthfully of what the argument has been and not what people tried to turn it into via total numbers. Of course the *more* there is of one group the likelihood is they will have more of as well.

Well, if we are going to be fair and bring statistics and population by % race into it then lets go all way. What % of violent crimes are attributable to each race. I think you will find that a certain 13% of the population commits a hugely disproportionate % of violent crimes.

Facts are not racist, they are just facts.

The poor and disadvantaged? Replace race with social class and I suspect you’ll find similar numbers.

A whole lot more than 13% of the population is poor.

I'm interested in the point you're attempting to make?

Seemingly, that the problem is unique to black people.

(04-27-2023 08:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  I agree with Morgan Freeman - the best way to get over racism is to stop talking about it. Slicing and dicing every statistic by race only serves to divide the country. Of course, those pushing the racism narrative want the divide as wide as possible - otherwise, they wouldn't have a job.

I actually disagree with Morgan Freeman whenever I've heard him say that. There are enough actions that could be seen as prejudice or racist and have no words said to encourage those actions.

(04-27-2023 04:34 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Lack of disposable income. Plus it’s not 13% here

I agree with both of those points. It would be great if crime was non-existent and the experiences I see get posted here never happened. But those things don't explain the reasoning behind mentioning the stat.

(04-27-2023 05:20 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Seemingly, that the problem is unique to black people.

Maybe? But I try to allow a person to clarify what they are saying or why. I get and agree that a "certain" group commits a higher percentage of violent acts especially in relation to the group's population percentage. But what is the point, if any, of saying it in response to the other post? One area of disproportion doesn't necessarily in turn justify another area of disproportion. If that's the reason it's being said then I don't agree with the application of that stat, not the stat itself.

(04-27-2023 06:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  I agree with Morgan Freeman - the best way to get over racism is to stop talking about it. Slicing and dicing every statistic by race only serves to divide the country. Of course, those pushing the racism narrative want the divide as wide as possible - otherwise, they wouldn't have a job.

I actually disagree with Morgan Freeman whenever I've heard him say that. There are enough actions that could be seen as prejudice or racist and have no words said to encourage those actions.

(04-27-2023 04:34 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Lack of disposable income. Plus it’s not 13% here

I agree with both of those points. It would be great if crime was non-existent and the experiences I see get posted here never happened. But those things don't explain the reasoning behind mentioning the stat.

(04-27-2023 05:20 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Seemingly, that the problem is unique to black people.

Maybe? But I try to allow a person to clarify what they are saying or why. I get and agree that a "certain" group commits a higher percentage of violent acts especially in relation to the group's population percentage. But what is the point, if any, of saying it in response to the other post? One area of disproportion doesn't necessarily in turn justify another area of disproportion. If that's the reason it's being said then I don't agree with the application of that stat, not the stat itself.

Go do some research on violent crime statistics, who commits them, who the victims are, and then compare that to 'the narrative'.

Good luck finding the stats as most of them have been scrubbed at the source because the facts and the truth don't fit 'the narrative'.

Draw your own conclusions.

I wonder how season ticket sales are going. Tomorrow is the deadline (that was extended by a month) to renew. I'm on the fence about renewing. Although supposedly ticket prices haven't increased, they seem more expensive this year (or at least the required donation). If I average mine out, each ticket is about $35 per game. Not terrible by any stretch, but with our abysmal home schedule, I'm sure I could find much cheaper tickets to almost every game.

(04-27-2023 08:06 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Go do some research on violent crime statistics, who commits them, who the victims are, and then compare that to 'the narrative'.

Good luck finding the stats as most of them have been scrubbed at the source because the facts and the truth don't fit 'the narrative'.

Draw your own conclusions.

I definitely try to draw my own conclusions. And to do that I attempt to gather as much info as possible that proves and disproves the view I may have. What is the narrative you mention?