(04-05-2023 09:15 AM)Stammers Wrote:  The problem wasn't the incentives that Fred Smith was offering; the problem was that RC was such a brainless embarrassment, he wasn't allowed to talk to anyone. So you had Shirley who was clueless, and RC that wasn't allowed to contact anyone. The fact that the CEO of a company was doing the negotiating for a university, with the conference was the issue.

It surely did not help (pun intended).

XII isn't going to consider us as long as there is the possibility they can go west for candidates.

"there are 10 programs that have averaged a positive SP+ rating -- meaning, they're better than the average FBS team -- over the past decade without being a power conference team (or Notre Dame): Boise State, Memphis, UCF, Appalachian State, Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, San Diego State, Air Force and Marshall. Four of those programs just got gobbled up by the Big 12, and SDSU remains the leading candidate to join an expanded Pac-12 if or when the Pac-12 is able to expand. Geography suggests Memphis would be the top candidate if the Big 12 were to decide to expand further, and geography also suggests Boise State might continue to get the short end of the realignment stick. But with the four making the Big 12 jump this year, the list of obvious, high-potential candidates shrank considerably."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...e-football

(04-05-2023 07:53 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 03:13 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 12:35 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 11:05 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 11:03 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Spot on analogy

Some of y'all have some self-esteem and insecurity issues. Memphis is a great university and a wonderful city. Stop talking nonsense about it. It ain't true.

I know exactly what kind of city we have. I live here. Do you ? At my age I worry when I go to the grocery store or get gas. And I rarely go out to eat. Driving on 240 or 385 is like being at Talladega or Daytona. Plus the city leadership has never given a damn about the University. Id love to leave but being on a fixed income I’m stuck here until death.

Eagle, sorry to hear about your situation and I think you are confusing two very different ideas. Let me try to clarify. Here are 2 completely different statements:

1) Memphis has too much crime, particularly violent crime, and it needs to be effectively reduced and dealt with by the authorities.

2) Memphis has such a bad reputation for crime that it is preventing P5 athletic conferences from accepting the University of Memphis.

I agree with point 1 but not with point 2. Violent crime is a terrible problem in many cities and it should definitely be reduced! We need more good cops on the streets and anything else that can be done to reduce violent crime, which is a horrible problem in many cities, and is unfair to the residents who live there.

However, Memphis' crime problem has nothing to do with athletic conference realignment. Outside of Memphis, nobody thinks about Memphis's crime rate. Crime is a problem in most cities all over the country, and Memphis is maybe worse than most, but it's not what people across the country think of when they think about Memphis.

And by the way I lived in Memphis for about 17 years in various locations, had an apt in midtown, one in the university area, and then I owned a little house in the colonial acres neighborhood just off Mt Moriah.

I don’t disagree with your general point, but I’m afraid you are mistaken about the perception of the city. Almost without fail, when I tell someone out of state that I’m from Memphis they invariably mention the crime.

Yeah, I'm a born & raised Memphian who loves my town and proudly reps wherever I go, but it's pretty much all anyone talks about when I'm visiting other places.

the "high crime memphis" message is definitely the brand we have at the moment.

And that's a shame.

Here's something to think about... with the tech guy getting killed in San Fran earlier this week, the local SF news had a bit about their horrible homicide numbers.

San Francisco
Population: 715,717
2022 murders: 55

Memphis
Population: 621,777
2022 murders: 302

SF is a larger city but we have 5.5 times as many murders. And they think their stat is bad.

(04-06-2023 10:54 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(04-05-2023 07:53 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 03:13 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 12:35 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 11:05 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  Some of y'all have some self-esteem and insecurity issues. Memphis is a great university and a wonderful city. Stop talking nonsense about it. It ain't true.

I know exactly what kind of city we have. I live here. Do you ? At my age I worry when I go to the grocery store or get gas. And I rarely go out to eat. Driving on 240 or 385 is like being at Talladega or Daytona. Plus the city leadership has never given a damn about the University. Id love to leave but being on a fixed income I’m stuck here until death.

Eagle, sorry to hear about your situation and I think you are confusing two very different ideas. Let me try to clarify. Here are 2 completely different statements:

1) Memphis has too much crime, particularly violent crime, and it needs to be effectively reduced and dealt with by the authorities.

2) Memphis has such a bad reputation for crime that it is preventing P5 athletic conferences from accepting the University of Memphis.

I agree with point 1 but not with point 2. Violent crime is a terrible problem in many cities and it should definitely be reduced! We need more good cops on the streets and anything else that can be done to reduce violent crime, which is a horrible problem in many cities, and is unfair to the residents who live there.

However, Memphis' crime problem has nothing to do with athletic conference realignment. Outside of Memphis, nobody thinks about Memphis's crime rate. Crime is a problem in most cities all over the country, and Memphis is maybe worse than most, but it's not what people across the country think of when they think about Memphis.

And by the way I lived in Memphis for about 17 years in various locations, had an apt in midtown, one in the university area, and then I owned a little house in the colonial acres neighborhood just off Mt Moriah.

I don’t disagree with your general point, but I’m afraid you are mistaken about the perception of the city. Almost without fail, when I tell someone out of state that I’m from Memphis they invariably mention the crime.

Yeah, I'm a born & raised Memphian who loves my town and proudly reps wherever I go, but it's pretty much all anyone talks about when I'm visiting other places.

the "high crime memphis" message is definitely the brand we have at the moment.

And that's a shame.

Here's something to think about... with the tech guy getting killed in San Fran earlier this week, the local SF news had a bit about their horrible homicide numbers.

San Francisco
Population: 715,717
2022 murders: 55

Memphis
Population: 621,777
2022 murders: 302

SF is a larger city but we have 5.5 times as many murders. And they think their stat is bad.

I've had a very different experience. I've lived in Ohio for 6 years now, tell everyone I meet that I'm from Memphis, have Memphis Tigers stuff everywhere I go, flag on my house, bumper sticker, golf bag, hat, clothing etc. No one has ever said anything about Memphis crime.

New Orleans has a much higher murder rate per capita than Memphis, by the way. Is crime the first thing you think about when you think of New Orleans? Crime rates, even when they're really bad, don't define a geographic location. And they certainly have nothing to do with athletic conference realignment.

(04-06-2023 11:12 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(04-06-2023 10:54 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(04-05-2023 07:53 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 03:13 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 12:35 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  I know exactly what kind of city we have. I live here. Do you ? At my age I worry when I go to the grocery store or get gas. And I rarely go out to eat. Driving on 240 or 385 is like being at Talladega or Daytona. Plus the city leadership has never given a damn about the University. Id love to leave but being on a fixed income I’m stuck here until death.

Eagle, sorry to hear about your situation and I think you are confusing two very different ideas. Let me try to clarify. Here are 2 completely different statements:

1) Memphis has too much crime, particularly violent crime, and it needs to be effectively reduced and dealt with by the authorities.

2) Memphis has such a bad reputation for crime that it is preventing P5 athletic conferences from accepting the University of Memphis.

I agree with point 1 but not with point 2. Violent crime is a terrible problem in many cities and it should definitely be reduced! We need more good cops on the streets and anything else that can be done to reduce violent crime, which is a horrible problem in many cities, and is unfair to the residents who live there.

However, Memphis' crime problem has nothing to do with athletic conference realignment. Outside of Memphis, nobody thinks about Memphis's crime rate. Crime is a problem in most cities all over the country, and Memphis is maybe worse than most, but it's not what people across the country think of when they think about Memphis.

And by the way I lived in Memphis for about 17 years in various locations, had an apt in midtown, one in the university area, and then I owned a little house in the colonial acres neighborhood just off Mt Moriah.

I don’t disagree with your general point, but I’m afraid you are mistaken about the perception of the city. Almost without fail, when I tell someone out of state that I’m from Memphis they invariably mention the crime.

Yeah, I'm a born & raised Memphian who loves my town and proudly reps wherever I go, but it's pretty much all anyone talks about when I'm visiting other places.

the "high crime memphis" message is definitely the brand we have at the moment.

And that's a shame.

Here's something to think about... with the tech guy getting killed in San Fran earlier this week, the local SF news had a bit about their horrible homicide numbers.

San Francisco
Population: 715,717
2022 murders: 55

Memphis
Population: 621,777
2022 murders: 302

SF is a larger city but we have 5.5 times as many murders. And they think their stat is bad.

I've had a very different experience. I've lived in Ohio for 6 years now, tell everyone I meet that I'm from Memphis, have Memphis Tigers stuff everywhere I go, flag on my house, bumper sticker, golf bag, hat, clothing etc. No one has ever said anything about Memphis crime.

New Orleans has a much higher murder rate per capita than Memphis, by the way. Is crime the first thing you think about when you think of New Orleans? Crime rates, even when they're really bad, don't define a geographic location. And they certainly have nothing to do with athletic conference realignment.

Unfortunately the stigma gets brought up quite a bit where I am at whenever I tell someone I went to Memphis. I do my best to tell people I lived there 6 years while in college and after and never once felt threated or uncomfortable but many are not willing to look past their preconceived notion...

(04-11-2023 08:09 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-06-2023 11:12 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(04-06-2023 10:54 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(04-05-2023 07:53 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 03:13 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  Eagle, sorry to hear about your situation and I think you are confusing two very different ideas. Let me try to clarify. Here are 2 completely different statements:

1) Memphis has too much crime, particularly violent crime, and it needs to be effectively reduced and dealt with by the authorities.

2) Memphis has such a bad reputation for crime that it is preventing P5 athletic conferences from accepting the University of Memphis.

I agree with point 1 but not with point 2. Violent crime is a terrible problem in many cities and it should definitely be reduced! We need more good cops on the streets and anything else that can be done to reduce violent crime, which is a horrible problem in many cities, and is unfair to the residents who live there.

However, Memphis' crime problem has nothing to do with athletic conference realignment. Outside of Memphis, nobody thinks about Memphis's crime rate. Crime is a problem in most cities all over the country, and Memphis is maybe worse than most, but it's not what people across the country think of when they think about Memphis.

And by the way I lived in Memphis for about 17 years in various locations, had an apt in midtown, one in the university area, and then I owned a little house in the colonial acres neighborhood just off Mt Moriah.

I don’t disagree with your general point, but I’m afraid you are mistaken about the perception of the city. Almost without fail, when I tell someone out of state that I’m from Memphis they invariably mention the crime.

Yeah, I'm a born & raised Memphian who loves my town and proudly reps wherever I go, but it's pretty much all anyone talks about when I'm visiting other places.

the "high crime memphis" message is definitely the brand we have at the moment.

And that's a shame.

Here's something to think about... with the tech guy getting killed in San Fran earlier this week, the local SF news had a bit about their horrible homicide numbers.

San Francisco
Population: 715,717
2022 murders: 55

Memphis
Population: 621,777
2022 murders: 302

SF is a larger city but we have 5.5 times as many murders. And they think their stat is bad.

I've had a very different experience. I've lived in Ohio for 6 years now, tell everyone I meet that I'm from Memphis, have Memphis Tigers stuff everywhere I go, flag on my house, bumper sticker, golf bag, hat, clothing etc. No one has ever said anything about Memphis crime.

New Orleans has a much higher murder rate per capita than Memphis, by the way. Is crime the first thing you think about when you think of New Orleans? Crime rates, even when they're really bad, don't define a geographic location. And they certainly have nothing to do with athletic conference realignment.

Unfortunately the stigma gets brought up quite a bit where I am at whenever I tell someone I went to Memphis. I do my best to tell people I lived there 6 years while in college and after and never once felt threated or uncomfortable but many are not willing to look past their preconceived notion...

It does to me as well. Even the link to kids signing with Memphis always have some comments about the city. It is that easy to see that Memphis carries a stigma. Memphis will always be "home" to me, so I just roll my eyes and carry on.

Cities that depend heavily on Tourism don't report crime stats accurately....like Las Vegas, for example. I know an EMT and a nurse who work there. Crime stats are purposely fudged.

Many cities aren't reporting crime stats. lol Participation is voluntary...not a federal mandate.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/ci...ta-to-fbi/

(04-12-2023 01:09 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Cities that depend heavily on Tourism don't report crime stats accurately....like Las Vegas, for example. I know an EMT and a nurse who work there. Crime stats are purposely fudged.

Many cities aren't reporting crime stats. lol Participation is voluntary...not a federal mandate.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/ci...ta-to-fbi/

There is no doubt that many cities skew their self reported statistics...

PAC TV negotiations are still going nowhere. A possible deal with CW has reportedly fallen apart.

Right now it is looking more likely some PAC teams will move to the Big XII.

We are probably stuck in the American for a while if that happens.

(04-12-2023 07:46 AM)Claw Wrote:  PAC TV negotiations are still going nowhere. A possible deal with CW has reportedly fallen apart.

Right now it is looking more likely some PAC teams will move to the Big XII.

We are probably stuck in the American for a while if that happens.

Headline:
Pac-12 discusses 'small package' of games with The CW as it competes with major leagues for TV dollars

Excerpts:
"Media consultant Jim Williams told CBS Sports last week he was high on The CW as well as ION as broadcast options for the Pac-12. The Athletic reported "recent discussions" between the Pac-12 and The CW."

"It's just not a market to be a seller of major college sports rights at this particular moment," said Patrick Crakes, a programming expert, media consultant and former senior vice president with Fox Sports."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...v-dollars/

It looks like the PAC12 is in deep trouble concerning their media deal. CW and ION, really?

"The Pac-12’s media rights agreement won’t be completed until late spring or early summer, according to The Athletic college football writers Stewart Mandel and Max Olsen,” Marchand writes. “They said The CW is now in play. We will add this to the conversation around potential defections from Pac-12 to the Big 12: Watch Colorado.”

https://www.si.com/college/westvirginia/...heating-up

Maybe the AAC can get a deal on Reelz or something like that

(04-12-2023 07:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 07:46 AM)Claw Wrote:  PAC TV negotiations are still going nowhere. A possible deal with CW has reportedly fallen apart.

Right now it is looking more likely some PAC teams will move to the Big XII.

We are probably stuck in the American for a while if that happens.

Headline:
Pac-12 discusses 'small package' of games with The CW as it competes with major leagues for TV dollars

Excerpts:
"Media consultant Jim Williams told CBS Sports last week he was high on The CW as well as ION as broadcast options for the Pac-12. The Athletic reported "recent discussions" between the Pac-12 and The CW."

"It's just not a market to be a seller of major college sports rights at this particular moment," said Patrick Crakes, a programming expert, media consultant and former senior vice president with Fox Sports."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...v-dollars/

It looks like the PAC12 is in deep trouble concerning their media deal. CW and ION, really?

This is what I saw about the CW deal falling apart. The key part is bolded.

- CW talks are dead, they were about Third Tier rights
--- The deal was for 150M per year. or 15M per schools
--- Deal broke down because Pac12 wanted Coast to Coast Coverage, however CW was only going to put Pac12 games on west coast channels ad that is were the deal feel apart.

As with all of this stuff, this is unverified internet leakage. We'll see. It was new though.

(04-12-2023 08:05 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Maybe the AAC can get a deal on Reelz or something like that

Our media deal with ESPN doesn't expire until 2031.

(04-12-2023 08:05 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Maybe the AAC can get a deal on Reelz or something like that

Another happy, completely nonsensical post.

(04-12-2023 08:35 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 07:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  [quote='Claw' pid='18893686' dateline='1681303567']
PAC TV negotiations are still going nowhere. A possible deal with CW has reportedly fallen apart.

Right now it is looking more likely some PAC teams will move to the Big XII.

We are probably stuck in the American for a while if that happens.

Headline:
Pac-12 discusses 'small package' of games with The CW as it competes with major leagues for TV dollars

Excerpts:
"Media consultant Jim Williams told CBS Sports last week he was high on The CW as well as ION as broadcast options for the Pac-12. The Athletic reported "recent discussions" between the Pac-12 and The CW."

"It's just not a market to be a seller of major college sports rights at this particular moment," said Patrick Crakes, a programming expert, media consultant and former senior vice president with Fox Sports."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...v-dollars/

It looks like the PAC12 is in deep trouble concerning their media deal. CW and ION, really?

This is what I saw about the CW deal falling apart. The key part is bolded.

- CW talks are dead, they were about Third Tier rights
--- The deal was for 150M per year. or 15M per schools
--- Deal broke down because Pac12 wanted Coast to Coast Coverage, however CW was only going to put Pac12 games on west coast channels ad that is were the deal feel apart.

As with all of this stuff, this is unverified internet leakage. We'll see. It was new though.

(04-23-2023 09:20 PM)beanburrito Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:35 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 07:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  [quote='Claw' pid='18893686' dateline='1681303567']
PAC TV negotiations are still going nowhere. A possible deal with CW has reportedly fallen apart.

Right now it is looking more likely some PAC teams will move to the Big XII.

We are probably stuck in the American for a while if that happens.

Headline:
Pac-12 discusses 'small package' of games with The CW as it competes with major leagues for TV dollars

Excerpts:
"Media consultant Jim Williams told CBS Sports last week he was high on The CW as well as ION as broadcast options for the Pac-12. The Athletic reported "recent discussions" between the Pac-12 and The CW."

"It's just not a market to be a seller of major college sports rights at this particular moment," said Patrick Crakes, a programming expert, media consultant and former senior vice president with Fox Sports."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...v-dollars/

It looks like the PAC12 is in deep trouble concerning their media deal. CW and ION, really?

This is what I saw about the CW deal falling apart. The key part is bolded.

- CW talks are dead, they were about Third Tier rights
--- The deal was for 150M per year. or 15M per schools
--- Deal broke down because Pac12 wanted Coast to Coast Coverage, however CW was only going to put Pac12 games on west coast channels ad that is were the deal feel apart.

As with all of this stuff, this is unverified internet leakage. We'll see. It was new though.

Looks like Colorado doesn't have one foot out the door after all

https://sports.yahoo.com/colorado-chance...56174.html

(04-23-2023 09:23 PM)beanburrito Wrote:  

(04-23-2023 09:20 PM)beanburrito Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:35 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 07:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  [quote='Claw' pid='18893686' dateline='1681303567']
PAC TV negotiations are still going nowhere. A possible deal with CW has reportedly fallen apart.

Right now it is looking more likely some PAC teams will move to the Big XII.

We are probably stuck in the American for a while if that happens.

Headline:
Pac-12 discusses 'small package' of games with The CW as it competes with major leagues for TV dollars

Excerpts:
"Media consultant Jim Williams told CBS Sports last week he was high on The CW as well as ION as broadcast options for the Pac-12. The Athletic reported "recent discussions" between the Pac-12 and The CW."

"It's just not a market to be a seller of major college sports rights at this particular moment," said Patrick Crakes, a programming expert, media consultant and former senior vice president with Fox Sports."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...v-dollars/

It looks like the PAC12 is in deep trouble concerning their media deal. CW and ION, really?

This is what I saw about the CW deal falling apart. The key part is bolded.

- CW talks are dead, they were about Third Tier rights
--- The deal was for 150M per year. or 15M per schools
--- Deal broke down because Pac12 wanted Coast to Coast Coverage, however CW was only going to put Pac12 games on west coast channels ad that is were the deal feel apart.

As with all of this stuff, this is unverified internet leakage. We'll see. It was new though.

Looks like Colorado doesn't have one foot out the door after all

https://sports.yahoo.com/colorado-chance...56174.html

Utah had already told the Big XII no earlier this month.

So the Big XII next targets are the Arizona schools.

While they have their TV deal in place, things are not bright and shiny as they want people to think.

The Big XII has the smallest following of all the P5 conferences by a large margin.

Half the size of the Pac 12.

Ohio St on its own has a following as large as the entire Big XII.

After the first year's ratings come in it is going to be hard to sell advertising for the conference games.

(04-24-2023 07:25 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-23-2023 09:23 PM)beanburrito Wrote:  

(04-23-2023 09:20 PM)beanburrito Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 08:35 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 07:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  [quote='Claw' pid='18893686' dateline='1681303567']
PAC TV negotiations are still going nowhere. A possible deal with CW has reportedly fallen apart.

Right now it is looking more likely some PAC teams will move to the Big XII.

We are probably stuck in the American for a while if that happens.

Headline:
Pac-12 discusses 'small package' of games with The CW as it competes with major leagues for TV dollars

Excerpts:
"Media consultant Jim Williams told CBS Sports last week he was high on The CW as well as ION as broadcast options for the Pac-12. The Athletic reported "recent discussions" between the Pac-12 and The CW."

"It's just not a market to be a seller of major college sports rights at this particular moment," said Patrick Crakes, a programming expert, media consultant and former senior vice president with Fox Sports."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...v-dollars/

It looks like the PAC12 is in deep trouble concerning their media deal. CW and ION, really?

This is what I saw about the CW deal falling apart. The key part is bolded.

- CW talks are dead, they were about Third Tier rights
--- The deal was for 150M per year. or 15M per schools
--- Deal broke down because Pac12 wanted Coast to Coast Coverage, however CW was only going to put Pac12 games on west coast channels ad that is were the deal feel apart.

As with all of this stuff, this is unverified internet leakage. We'll see. It was new though.

Looks like Colorado doesn't have one foot out the door after all

https://sports.yahoo.com/colorado-chance...56174.html

Utah had already told the Big XII no earlier this month.

So the Big XII next targets are the Arizona schools.

While they have their TV deal in place, things are not bright and shiny as they want people to think.

The Big XII has the smallest following of all the P5 conferences by a large margin.

Half the size of the Pac 12.

Ohio St on its own has a following as large as the entire Big XII.

After the first year's ratings come in it is going to be hard to sell advertising for the conference games.

And we wouldn’t help.