So this idea comes from a confluence of things I was reading.

For example, I was looking over the various universities who are "near"AAU status.

And also pondering how a Notre Dame non-football membership to the Big10 could be possible.

And it occurred to me that they could just be paired with another non-football school.

From what I've been reading, Georgetown is on the top 10 (if not top 5) of most "next to the AAU" lists I've seen. And so is Notre Dame, for that matter.

Georgetown also has a "football issue". Though in their case, it's that they compete in the Patriot league.

So imagine if the Big10 just added those 2 schools as non-football members.

I think it could definitely shift realignment priorities. For example, Syracuse might be on the radar after that.

And if going after AAU basketball powers, then Kansas could be interesting as well. As could Virginia, North Carolina, and Duke.

And Notre Dame might be interested in Stanford, Pittsburgh, Miami, and Georgia Tech.

And while I don't think the Big10 would invite all of those schools (though who knows), any of them would be strong choices for the Big10.

Anyway, just was a very interesting thought - adding ND and Georgetown as non-football members to the Big10.

What do you think?

Maryland already has them in the DC market. Georgetown probably doesn’t have enough appeal to be considered and I don’t see them taking in non-fb members

The Big 10 will not do that. The Big 10 is to strong of a conference to need us as a partial member. Unless.you want us to be a Trojan horse and destabilize the conference.

(03-29-2023 06:19 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The Big 10 will not do that. The Big 10 is to strong of a conference to need us as a partial member. Unless.you want us to be a Trojan horse and destabilize the conference.

They already have the human Trojans. No need to give them a horse to hide in.

(03-29-2023 06:28 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 06:19 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The Big 10 will not do that. The Big 10 is to strong of a conference to need us as a partial member. Unless.you want us to be a Trojan horse and destabilize the conference.

They already have the human Trojans. No need to give them a horse to hide in.

Unless it is the FSU horse that ND rides in on :)

I was hoping Notre Dame would have stayed in the Big East. Take the ACC money out of it, they'd be a perfect fit for the Big East right now. Being with all peer academic schools (except for UConn) and having 5 travel partners in the midwest as opposed to the zero they have now unless you count Pitt.

(03-29-2023 06:35 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  I was hoping Notre Dame would have stayed in the Big East. Take the ACC money out of it, they'd be a perfect fit for the Big East right now. Being with all peer academic schools (except for UConn) and having 5 travel partners in the midwest as opposed to the zero they have now unless you count Pitt.

I'm curious what they do when their deal with the ACC expires. Maybe they rejoin the Big East for all but football, would seem to make sense for all parties.

(03-29-2023 06:42 PM)BeepBeepJeep Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 06:35 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  I was hoping Notre Dame would have stayed in the Big East. Take the ACC money out of it, they'd be a perfect fit for the Big East right now. Being with all peer academic schools (except for UConn) and having 5 travel partners in the midwest as opposed to the zero they have now unless you count Pitt.

I'm curious what they do when their deal with the ACC expires. Maybe they rejoin the Big East for all but football, would seem to make sense for all parties.

The problem with that, iirc, is lack of bowl tie-ins.

Lol if the Big Ten adds basketball schools that don’t play football I’ll be starting a push for Ohio State to the SEC. Penn State and Michigan hop on the wagon.

(03-29-2023 06:47 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 06:42 PM)BeepBeepJeep Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 06:35 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  I was hoping Notre Dame would have stayed in the Big East. Take the ACC money out of it, they'd be a perfect fit for the Big East right now. Being with all peer academic schools (except for UConn) and having 5 travel partners in the midwest as opposed to the zero they have now unless you count Pitt.

I'm curious what they do when their deal with the ACC expires. Maybe they rejoin the Big East for all but football, would seem to make sense for all parties.

The problem with that, iirc, is lack of bowl tie-ins.

It'll probably work out given that playoff expansion makes bowl slotting harder.

Edit: Meaning they can probably get access to slots via being a backup option.

Hard pass on this.

The Big doesn't need ND - especially as a partial member.
ND would not permit itself to be a mere mortal all sports member of a conference.
Most football schools can't bring in $70m per year in value to the BIG, G'town definitely can't.
Why would the BIG - a member of the P2 - want to shoot itself in the foot and become a hybrid conference?

Honestly, this might make more sense for the ACC to do this adding Georgetown and Villanova to get back into DC, Baltimore, and Philly. Maybe add St. John's too for NYC. Does it make enough sense for the ACC to actually do it? Probably not.

(03-30-2023 05:05 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Honestly, this might make more sense for the ACC to do this adding Georgetown and Villanova to get back into DC, Baltimore, and Philly. Maybe add St. John's too for NYC. Does it make enough sense for the ACC to actually do it? Probably not.

The ACC could do it. The problem is Georgetown and Villanova have FCS football programs. Georgetown's is atrocious. They could work with Villanova's, but they'd have to get them to upgrade their stadium in order to move up to the FBS.

(03-30-2023 07:33 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-30-2023 05:05 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Honestly, this might make more sense for the ACC to do this adding Georgetown and Villanova to get back into DC, Baltimore, and Philly. Maybe add St. John's too for NYC. Does it make enough sense for the ACC to actually do it? Probably not.

The ACC could do it. The problem is Georgetown and Villanova have FCS football programs. Georgetown's is atrocious. They could work with Villanova's, but they'd have to get them to upgrade their stadium in order to move up to the FBS.

Who said they had to take their football? The ACC only took ND's football as a partial scheduling agreement. I'm sure the ACC would be fine leaving Georgetown and Villanova's football in FCS. Maybe have the ACC football teams schedule a buy game or two with them a year for their cupcake game to be generous to them, and schedule conference games in Philly and DC like Pitt and Syracuse are doing in NYC and FSU-GT are doing in Ireland (obviously would be up to the schools and not something to force upon them).

(03-30-2023 07:33 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-30-2023 05:05 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Honestly, this might make more sense for the ACC to do this adding Georgetown and Villanova to get back into DC, Baltimore, and Philly. Maybe add St. John's too for NYC. Does it make enough sense for the ACC to actually do it? Probably not.

The ACC could do it. The problem is Georgetown and Villanova have FCS football programs. Georgetown's is atrocious. They could work with Villanova's, but they'd have to get them to upgrade their stadium in order to move up to the FBS.

If the ACC is OK with having a school with an FBS program, why would someone having an FCS program be a problem? The question is would those schools receive more money from the ACC than they do from the Big East? The Irish get about $12 million, but a lot of that is because of their football deal. If the money, including NCAAT distributions) is comparable, (and I suspect it is) I believe those schools would prefer to stay in the Big East.

(03-30-2023 09:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-30-2023 07:33 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-30-2023 05:05 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Honestly, this might make more sense for the ACC to do this adding Georgetown and Villanova to get back into DC, Baltimore, and Philly. Maybe add St. John's too for NYC. Does it make enough sense for the ACC to actually do it? Probably not.

The ACC could do it. The problem is Georgetown and Villanova have FCS football programs. Georgetown's is atrocious. They could work with Villanova's, but they'd have to get them to upgrade their stadium in order to move up to the FBS.

If the ACC is OK with having a school with an FBS program, why would someone having an FCS program be a problem? The question is would those schools receive more money from the ACC than they do from the Big East? The Irish get about $12 million, but a lot of that is because of their football deal. If the money, including NCAAT distributions) is comparable, (and I suspect it is) I believe those schools would prefer to stay in the Big East.

ND also gets a full share of the ACC Network profits (since everyone admits there would not be one without ND).

That is something else that Georgetown or Villanova would not receive.

(03-29-2023 08:31 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Hard pass on this.

The Big doesn't need ND - especially as a partial member.
ND would not permit itself to be a mere mortal all sports member of a conference.
Most football schools can't bring in $70m per year in value to the BIG, G'town definitely can't.
Why would the BIG - a member of the P2 - want to shoot itself in the foot and become a hybrid conference?

This is what happens when you don't have a leader who drives a steady ship like Delany or Warren. The vagaries of the legacy members go up to the forefront without someone reminding them of the reality of college sports politics.

Believe me when I say that it's a mistake to ditch someone like Warren. Gene Smith has a voice, sure, but he's only an AD and ADs shouldn't have more power than a commissioner. Let alone the message board geniuses. But here we are.

(03-30-2023 07:33 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  The ACC could do it. The problem is Georgetown and Villanova have FCS football programs. Georgetown's is atrocious. They could work with Villanova's, but they'd have to get them to upgrade their stadium in order to move up to the FBS.

Much of that is self-inflicted.

(03-30-2023 02:23 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(03-30-2023 07:33 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  The ACC could do it. The problem is Georgetown and Villanova have FCS football programs. Georgetown's is atrocious. They could work with Villanova's, but they'd have to get them to upgrade their stadium in order to move up to the FBS.

Much of that is self-inflicted.

GT and Villa would be good ACC adds and I would just assume keep the football at the FCS level. Might as well strengthen the basketball product.

Georgetown vs Maryland conference basketball games would be a dream come true. Who am i kidding, a yearly non-conference baskteball game between the two would be a dream come true lol. Maybe with the new coach at Georgetown. It would be great for the area and college basketball much the same way as John Hopkins joining the B1G in lacrosse did. I'm all for it but I think a lot has to happen in realignment to get to that point.