(03-27-2023 05:33 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:25 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:04 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Their numbers (13 net, 35 bpi, 6-3 in q1/2 games) never gets you a 4 seed. 9 total q1/2 games just isn't enough, regardless of how well you do against sub-200 patsies. It would have gotten them in with an at-large bid though. A 6 or 7 seed would have been more reasonable than a 9.

But that logic demonstrates the built-in bias. Most G5 programs can't get more Q1 wins because they can't schedule more Q1 opportunities. The P6 won't schedule FAU types. And frankly the quad system is BS from it's subjective start. Just looking at the tourney wins so far prove the fallacies inherent in the current selection process.

FAU played Ole Miss and Florida this year. Miami Fl last year. I dont think P6 programs were afraid of scheduling programs like them. Come on, before this run they werent on the level of Gonzaga or even St. Marys. Those are the teams the most of the P6 likely avoid scheduling. I dont think anyone was running away from playing FAU. Everyone needs a few punching bags for home dates.

Simply look at the OOC schedules of the B1G, BE, ACC etc & then tell me they are really open to scheduling competitive G5 schools. It is the exception not the rule.

I was actually wrong. Gonzaga and St. Marys seem to have no trouble scheduling P6 teams. FAU historically hasnt been a very competitive G5 program. There would be no benefit scheduling them.

My comments are not specific to FAU really. But again, simply look at the OOC schedules of the B1G, BE, ACC etc & then tell me they are really open to scheduling COMPETITIVE G5 schools. It is the exception not the rule.

Take Duke's schedule for example, I'm not looking at it but I recall it includes such powerhouses as Carolina Upstate?, Bellamare, Jacksonville amongst other powerhouses. Plenty of room for some competitive G5s.

(03-26-2023 04:06 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 03:43 PM)Glenn360 Wrote:  P5 is football only thing, the Big East is a power conference in basketball.

Is there an actual metric to determine a "P" conference in basketball? Or is it just made up to make certain schools feel good?

It's a made up thing to help the greedy folks that run college sports get a bigger piece of the pie.

(03-27-2023 05:41 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 04:06 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 03:43 PM)Glenn360 Wrote:  P5 is football only thing, the Big East is a power conference in basketball.

Is there an actual metric to determine a "P" conference in basketball? Or is it just made up to make certain schools feel good?

It's a made up thing to help the greedy folks that run college sports get a bigger piece of the pie.

Says the bitter Memphis and AAC fanboi.

(03-27-2023 05:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:33 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:25 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:04 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  But that logic demonstrates the built-in bias. Most G5 programs can't get more Q1 wins because they can't schedule more Q1 opportunities. The P6 won't schedule FAU types. And frankly the quad system is BS from it's subjective start. Just looking at the tourney wins so far prove the fallacies inherent in the current selection process.

FAU played Ole Miss and Florida this year. Miami Fl last year. I dont think P6 programs were afraid of scheduling programs like them. Come on, before this run they werent on the level of Gonzaga or even St. Marys. Those are the teams the most of the P6 likely avoid scheduling. I dont think anyone was running away from playing FAU. Everyone needs a few punching bags for home dates.

Simply look at the OOC schedules of the B1G, BE, ACC etc & then tell me they are really open to scheduling competitive G5 schools. It is the exception not the rule.

I was actually wrong. Gonzaga and St. Marys seem to have no trouble scheduling P6 teams. FAU historically hasnt been a very competitive G5 program. There would be no benefit scheduling them.

My comments are not specific to FAU really. But again, simply look at the OOC schedules of the B1G, BE, ACC etc & then tell me they are really open to scheduling COMPETITIVE G5 schools. It is the exception not the rule.

Gonzaga and St. Marys arent competitive? Please stop using G5 to refer to basketball conferences. All of you AAC fans are obsessed with the P5/G5 divide that doesnt exist in hoops. Where do WCC and A10 fit into your imaginary labels?

(03-27-2023 05:44 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:33 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:25 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  FAU played Ole Miss and Florida this year. Miami Fl last year. I dont think P6 programs were afraid of scheduling programs like them. Come on, before this run they werent on the level of Gonzaga or even St. Marys. Those are the teams the most of the P6 likely avoid scheduling. I dont think anyone was running away from playing FAU. Everyone needs a few punching bags for home dates.

Simply look at the OOC schedules of the B1G, BE, ACC etc & then tell me they are really open to scheduling competitive G5 schools. It is the exception not the rule.

I was actually wrong. Gonzaga and St. Marys seem to have no trouble scheduling P6 teams. FAU historically hasnt been a very competitive G5 program. There would be no benefit scheduling them.

My comments are not specific to FAU really. But again, simply look at the OOC schedules of the B1G, BE, ACC etc & then tell me they are really open to scheduling COMPETITIVE G5 schools. It is the exception not the rule.

Gonzaga and St. Marys arent competitive? Please stop using G5 to refer to basketball conferences. All of you AAC fans are obsessed with P5/G5 divide that doesnt exist in hoops.

You know what is meant by the term. And BTW, Gonzaga is a recognized major BB program, no risk playing them & it's worth major $$ from TV. How about that Duke schedule I noted?

(03-27-2023 05:42 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:41 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 04:06 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 03:43 PM)Glenn360 Wrote:  P5 is football only thing, the Big East is a power conference in basketball.

Is there an actual metric to determine a "P" conference in basketball? Or is it just made up to make certain schools feel good?

It's a made up thing to help the greedy folks that run college sports get a bigger piece of the pie.

Says the bitter Memphis and AAC fanboi.

Just stating a fact.

I have fond memories of Georgetown playing Memphis back in the Iverson years. I think one of those games was in the middle of conference play. I really wish more OOC games could take place after the conference season starts. Even mini tournaments.

(03-27-2023 04:35 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 10:35 AM)VCE Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 06:12 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 06:05 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 06:01 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Do you think NCAA Title by SDSU helps them get into the Pac (or even big 12)? What about a UConn title (which would be their 5th in 25 years)? Any chance Yormark just says "screw it" and brings them in with Gonzaga if the 4c remain uninterested?

Good question, b-1995.

My take is that Yormark goes ahead and gets Gonzaga and then patiently waits.

The Final Four does (we would assume) help SDSU in its efforts to land a Pac invite.

I agree on both counts. But I also just discovered that UConn is only 85 miles from Rucker Park. Hmmm....

I think an SDSU title could get them a whole lot of money from the Pac, perhaps a full share from day 1, and an instant invite. It might even help get SMU in if the Pac is that anxious to lock them down.

Imagine if you're the Pac, you just lost USCLA (last basketball title 1995, last title of any kind 2003 or 2004*) and get to replace them with the current Basketball National Champions in 2023. That sandwich could be getting a whole lot more appetizing to UW, Cal, Stanford, Apple TV+, ESPN, etc etc.

One thing is for sure though: SDSU's coach is about to get PAID. He currently only makes about $1.3m a year. What phenomenal timing for them to have their best season in history.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...ntain-west

UConn is 130 miles and probably 3+ hours in traffic from Rucker. It’s in the middle of nowhere CT, a really crappy town, not at all like the college towns of the Big Ten or SEC.

thats weird, I did a search for "distance from uconn to rucker park" and it was 85 miles, then a search for "distance from storrs to rucker park" and it was 131. Only 85 miles to boston though.

Google does google things.

As Bill said, completely different worlds there.

(03-27-2023 06:59 PM)VCE Wrote:  I have fond memories of Georgetown playing Memphis back in the Iverson years. I think one of those games was in the middle of conference play. I really wish more OOC games could take place after the conference season starts. Even mini tournaments.

I have always enjoyed the games over the years involving the Tigers and Hoyas.

The last contest between the two was in December 2011, a GU victory.

Georgetown leads the all-time series 10-2 and won many of those comfortably, so it hasn't been a competitive rivalry. But the games have typically "felt right."

It comes down to this. Who is more likely to keep their coach after a successful run in the NCAA tourney? As long as P5(6) has the money to hire away the mid-major's hot prospect, they will always prevail in the long run. Gonzaga is the obvious exception to this rule, but otherwise these programs have no chance sustain what they built.

(03-26-2023 03:43 PM)Glenn360 Wrote:  P5 is football only thing, the Big East is a power conference in basketball.

It seems Miami didn't get the memo.

(03-27-2023 05:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:33 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:25 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:04 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  But that logic demonstrates the built-in bias. Most G5 programs can't get more Q1 wins because they can't schedule more Q1 opportunities. The P6 won't schedule FAU types. And frankly the quad system is BS from it's subjective start. Just looking at the tourney wins so far prove the fallacies inherent in the current selection process.

FAU played Ole Miss and Florida this year. Miami Fl last year. I dont think P6 programs were afraid of scheduling programs like them. Come on, before this run they werent on the level of Gonzaga or even St. Marys. Those are the teams the most of the P6 likely avoid scheduling. I dont think anyone was running away from playing FAU. Everyone needs a few punching bags for home dates.

Simply look at the OOC schedules of the B1G, BE, ACC etc & then tell me they are really open to scheduling competitive G5 schools. It is the exception not the rule.

I was actually wrong. Gonzaga and St. Marys seem to have no trouble scheduling P6 teams. FAU historically hasnt been a very competitive G5 program. There would be no benefit scheduling them.

My comments are not specific to FAU really. But again, simply look at the OOC schedules of the B1G, BE, ACC etc & then tell me they are really open to scheduling COMPETITIVE G5 schools. It is the exception not the rule.

Take Duke's schedule for example, I'm not looking at it but I recall it includes such powerhouses as Carolina Upstate?, Bellamare, Jacksonville amongst other powerhouses. Plenty of room for some competitive G5s.

There are about 20 minor (not "mid-major") conferences in D-I, of which CUSA is one. It's nearly impossible for a power basketball conference team to predict which of those minor conference teams will be competitive at the time the games are scheduled. There are 80 teams in the hoops P6, and probably fewer than 10 minor conference teams that are going to be competitive, and fewer than that who will be attractive to season ticket holders in the P6. Those aren't great odds.

(03-26-2023 05:48 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 05:08 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Come on now. The P5 plus the Big East are the 6 power conferences in basketball. People are being either being obtuse or trying to prop up their own leagues outside of that group if trying to argue otherwise.

The Big East is not a "power" conference, they have no legislative power. They are, however, a major conference.

I get the point you are making and am sympathetic to it, in the sense that "P" is IMO defined by things other than results - primarily brand value and status/influence.

But IMO the Big East is a P-conference with regards to hoops. This is based not only on their results on the court, but also how they are treated, the status they have. E.g., the A5 conferences seem to treat the Big East as a peer, as evidenced by willingness to have "challenges" with them, and also the NCAA selection committee accords the Big East the respect of a "P" as well. Finally, IMO the Big East has a power-level brand in basketball. Basketball fans IMO speak of the Big East in the same way they do the SEC, ACC, etc.

So IMO, the totality of all of this - results, peer respect, expert respect, brands - says the BE is a P conference in hoops.

(03-27-2023 06:59 PM)VCE Wrote:  I have fond memories of Georgetown playing Memphis back in the Iverson years. I think one of those games was in the middle of conference play. I really wish more OOC games could take place after the conference season starts. Even mini tournaments.

I agree. The fans would enjoy it and I think it would be profitable for TV as well.

(03-27-2023 07:05 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:35 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 10:35 AM)VCE Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 06:12 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 06:05 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Good question, b-1995.

My take is that Yormark goes ahead and gets Gonzaga and then patiently waits.

The Final Four does (we would assume) help SDSU in its efforts to land a Pac invite.

I agree on both counts. But I also just discovered that UConn is only 85 miles from Rucker Park. Hmmm....

I think an SDSU title could get them a whole lot of money from the Pac, perhaps a full share from day 1, and an instant invite. It might even help get SMU in if the Pac is that anxious to lock them down.

Imagine if you're the Pac, you just lost USCLA (last basketball title 1995, last title of any kind 2003 or 2004*) and get to replace them with the current Basketball National Champions in 2023. That sandwich could be getting a whole lot more appetizing to UW, Cal, Stanford, Apple TV+, ESPN, etc etc.

One thing is for sure though: SDSU's coach is about to get PAID. He currently only makes about $1.3m a year. What phenomenal timing for them to have their best season in history.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...ntain-west

UConn is 130 miles and probably 3+ hours in traffic from Rucker. It’s in the middle of nowhere CT, a really crappy town, not at all like the college towns of the Big Ten or SEC.

thats weird, I did a search for "distance from uconn to rucker park" and it was 85 miles, then a search for "distance from storrs to rucker park" and it was 131. Only 85 miles to boston though.

Google does google things.

As Bill said, completely different worlds there.

I disagree with the gist of this discussion. The UConn fan base is very well acquainted with NYC. Most of us can hop on a train and get to NYC relatively easily. The main campus in Storrs is in a remote part of the state but CT as a whole is very connected to NYC.