(03-27-2023 01:25 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:07 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 11:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 11:20 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Can you fill me in on the Jim Brown WVU incident? I figure I would have heard bout one.

Just a rude reception overall. I think ESPN had special on Brown and Davis and covered it in that special. They didn't assault him. One of the 'Cuse posters of age may know more.

A rude reception? At an away game? Prolly why I never heard about it.
The Ernie Davis incident depicted in the movie “The Express” was totally made up. Here’s a link…

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2008/10/ho...he_re.html

Didn't see the movie, but that rebuttal seems to be fair enough with regard to referenced incident. And I'm glad you linked the article.

The LSU incident was well documented, and it wasn't unique. The point I made stands. When schools cannot control the conduct of students or players, or secure the venue experience, they aren't going to get serious consideration in a conference like the ACC or SEC. The throwing of batteries, and fan conduct issues have been an ongoing issue in Morgantown. You just don't experience that at road games in most Big 10, ACC, and SEC venues.

L.S.U. gets accused the most in the SEC, but I never had to fight a drunk Cajun at an LSU game, and their tailgates are fabulous. Their baseball crowd is one of the nicest in the SEC, along with Mississippi State's. Baton Rouge with drunks on Saturday night is boisterous and raucous, but like I said I've not experienced violence. Drunks are at all venues I've been to. Selling alcohol at games now just means they aren't halfway sober when they leave. Used to they drank before the game and were getting sober by halftime. While alcohol misuse is a problem everywhere, violence is not.

Actually, you said a pregnant lsu fan was punched in the gut. Remember? So no, you don’t get to claim being correct unless you got something to back that claim up with.
And are you also trying to claim there’s never fights at SEC games? Cause that’s what it sounds like you’re claiming.

You are insinuating a claim I did not make, and obviously ignoring a post about my own experience at an Auburn game. I'm not claiming the SEC is pristine. Fan fights exist. I am saying that in 60 years of going to games in the SEC nothing like what happened in Morgantown has happened. Had a drunk Bama fan attempt to pick a fight with an elderly man and his wife at Legion field who were leaving the Iron Bowl to head to their car, but inside the stadium gates. The older Auburn gentleman didn't have to take action. Two decent Alabama fans handled it for him. So yeah, those kinds of things happen. But nothing like this.

(03-27-2023 02:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:25 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:07 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 11:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Just a rude reception overall. I think ESPN had special on Brown and Davis and covered it in that special. They didn't assault him. One of the 'Cuse posters of age may know more.

A rude reception? At an away game? Prolly why I never heard about it.
The Ernie Davis incident depicted in the movie “The Express” was totally made up. Here’s a link…

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2008/10/ho...he_re.html

Didn't see the movie, but that rebuttal seems to be fair enough with regard to referenced incident. And I'm glad you linked the article.

The LSU incident was well documented, and it wasn't unique. The point I made stands. When schools cannot control the conduct of students or players, or secure the venue experience, they aren't going to get serious consideration in a conference like the ACC or SEC. The throwing of batteries, and fan conduct issues have been an ongoing issue in Morgantown. You just don't experience that at road games in most Big 10, ACC, and SEC venues.

L.S.U. gets accused the most in the SEC, but I never had to fight a drunk Cajun at an LSU game, and their tailgates are fabulous. Their baseball crowd is one of the nicest in the SEC, along with Mississippi State's. Baton Rouge with drunks on Saturday night is boisterous and raucous, but like I said I've not experienced violence. Drunks are at all venues I've been to. Selling alcohol at games now just means they aren't halfway sober when they leave. Used to they drank before the game and were getting sober by halftime. While alcohol misuse is a problem everywhere, violence is not.

Actually, you said a pregnant lsu fan was punched in the gut. Remember? So no, you don’t get to claim being correct unless you got something to back that claim up with.
And are you also trying to claim there’s never fights at SEC games? Cause that’s what it sounds like you’re claiming.

When the incident occurred it was reported in greater detail than even that report, not in the paper but by individuals privy to the details from the administration at LSU. It was the topic of discussion among the administrations of more than a few SEC schools. I don't owe you anything sport. The assault itself is listed above and occurred in 2011. And it stated nobody stopped until she screamed that she was pregnant. What do you think happens to people who are being attacked and are knocked to the ground? Kick or punch what difference does it make. Do you think quibbling over the particulars of an assault of this kind somehow excuses the crime? A pregnant woman was violently assaulted by West Virginia fans, thrown to the ground and the attack didn't abate until she screamed she was pregnant. I said 8 months and she was in the report listed at 5 and half months. Again what difference does it make. I spoke from memory of a 12 year old incident and not from a report.

It's deplorable, shouldn't happen anywhere, but it did, in Morgantown after WVU lost.

I suppose you will deny your fans threw batteries at players coming onto the field against other opponents on various occasions. My point initially was that these kinds of incidents inhibit the ability of the school to be viewed favorably as a potential conference member elsewhere. No conference wants these kinds of incidents at one of their venues.

So, a pregnant woman and the wife of an LSU man, who was a donor, I don't think that was mentioned in the article either, was minimally pushed to the ground and attacked until she screamed that she was pregnant. The initial incident I heard way back when it happened said they tried to reach in and pull her from the car when the husband got out and was beaten and that she was punched when they tried to get to her seatbelt to pull her from the vehicle during the initial assault upon the vehicle.

Now if I can't produce the documentation, you specifically are needling Garnett and Blue authenticated the assault upon both of them. What I was initially privy to, and this report, which is linked are not substantively dissimilar, but the oral report I was given 12 years ago was more specific and yes, the man left his vehicle in attempt to defend his wife and the vehicle.

There are numerous other reports of bad WVU fan behavior which have been given on various forums on this board by fans who have witnessed it.

If you take exception to the reality of it that's not my problem.

The only thing I accepted was the article you linked about the movie which I didn't see. But I did hear a similar story, possibly on an ESPN special, that sounded familiar to the article retraction by the players, so that's good enough for me.

But if you want me to back down on a detailed report of an assault on the property and personages of a man and his pregnant wife following the LSU game in Morgantown it's not happening. Especially since I heard it through conference circles, and not from the linked report which seems to be quite accurate, but without the specifics.

I never denied that a fight (or assault) took place. I denied a specific claim you made, that a pregnant woman was gut punched. I went to school during that time and knew that was a lie. Your inability to document it beyond “trust me bro” proves it was bs. Not my fault you got caught spreading bs.

(03-27-2023 03:12 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:25 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:07 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  A rude reception? At an away game? Prolly why I never heard about it.
The Ernie Davis incident depicted in the movie “The Express” was totally made up. Here’s a link…

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2008/10/ho...he_re.html

Didn't see the movie, but that rebuttal seems to be fair enough with regard to referenced incident. And I'm glad you linked the article.

The LSU incident was well documented, and it wasn't unique. The point I made stands. When schools cannot control the conduct of students or players, or secure the venue experience, they aren't going to get serious consideration in a conference like the ACC or SEC. The throwing of batteries, and fan conduct issues have been an ongoing issue in Morgantown. You just don't experience that at road games in most Big 10, ACC, and SEC venues.

L.S.U. gets accused the most in the SEC, but I never had to fight a drunk Cajun at an LSU game, and their tailgates are fabulous. Their baseball crowd is one of the nicest in the SEC, along with Mississippi State's. Baton Rouge with drunks on Saturday night is boisterous and raucous, but like I said I've not experienced violence. Drunks are at all venues I've been to. Selling alcohol at games now just means they aren't halfway sober when they leave. Used to they drank before the game and were getting sober by halftime. While alcohol misuse is a problem everywhere, violence is not.

Actually, you said a pregnant lsu fan was punched in the gut. Remember? So no, you don’t get to claim being correct unless you got something to back that claim up with.
And are you also trying to claim there’s never fights at SEC games? Cause that’s what it sounds like you’re claiming.

When the incident occurred it was reported in greater detail than even that report, not in the paper but by individuals privy to the details from the administration at LSU. It was the topic of discussion among the administrations of more than a few SEC schools. I don't owe you anything sport. The assault itself is listed above and occurred in 2011. And it stated nobody stopped until she screamed that she was pregnant. What do you think happens to people who are being attacked and are knocked to the ground? Kick or punch what difference does it make. Do you think quibbling over the particulars of an assault of this kind somehow excuses the crime? A pregnant woman was violently assaulted by West Virginia fans, thrown to the ground and the attack didn't abate until she screamed she was pregnant. I said 8 months and she was in the report listed at 5 and half months. Again what difference does it make. I spoke from memory of a 12 year old incident and not from a report.

It's deplorable, shouldn't happen anywhere, but it did, in Morgantown after WVU lost.

I suppose you will deny your fans threw batteries at players coming onto the field against other opponents on various occasions. My point initially was that these kinds of incidents inhibit the ability of the school to be viewed favorably as a potential conference member elsewhere. No conference wants these kinds of incidents at one of their venues.

So, a pregnant woman and the wife of an LSU man, who was a donor, I don't think that was mentioned in the article either, was minimally pushed to the ground and attacked until she screamed that she was pregnant. The initial incident I heard way back when it happened said they tried to reach in and pull her from the car when the husband got out and was beaten and that she was punched when they tried to get to her seatbelt to pull her from the vehicle during the initial assault upon the vehicle.

Now if I can't produce the documentation, you specifically are needling Garnett and Blue authenticated the assault upon both of them. What I was initially privy to, and this report, which is linked are not substantively dissimilar, but the oral report I was given 12 years ago was more specific and yes, the man left his vehicle in attempt to defend his wife and the vehicle.

There are numerous other reports of bad WVU fan behavior which have been given on various forums on this board by fans who have witnessed it.

If you take exception to the reality of it that's not my problem.

The only thing I accepted was the article you linked about the movie which I didn't see. But I did hear a similar story, possibly on an ESPN special, that sounded familiar to the article retraction by the players, so that's good enough for me.

But if you want me to back down on a detailed report of an assault on the property and personages of a man and his pregnant wife following the LSU game in Morgantown it's not happening. Especially since I heard it through conference circles, and not from the linked report which seems to be quite accurate, but without the specifics.

I never denied that a fight (or assault) took place. I denied a specific claim you made, that a pregnant woman was gut punched. I went to school during that time and knew that was a lie. Your inability to document it beyond “trust me bro” proves it was bs. Not my fault you got caught spreading bs.

So were you in the gang that assaulted them? I'll believe the administration of the SEC school involved over what students at WVU heard. No BS in the assault, nor in the details. If you want to discuss it further take it to the PM.

There are sufficient details in the article to indicate the severity of the assault. Sorry we don't have video evidence for you. My inability to document what I was told 12 years ago doesn't keep it from being true, which it is. It's just a convenient device for you to try to make a case out of it, by attempting to cherry-pick a detail to try to defray from the reality of the event. End of story.

“Trust me bro!!”
- nah… I’ll believe the media accounts.

Not even a stopage in play with this "incident", go figure.... maybe it depends upon who's involved....


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(03-26-2023 10:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 10:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 12:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 11:11 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Not something you want to see but that's life in the fishbowl. We don't know the story. Plenty of university staff are closer to the situation. They handle it.

You get what you tolerate. Quit making excuses for it, and act swiftly and decisively and it will end. Let the staff handle it is shorthand for sanitize, excuse, and sweep under the rug. We don't have to know what preceded it, if anything, we saw the one who acted inappropriately by any etiquette is sport.

And while nobody in a conference may speak to it, it absolutely damages the chances of Memphis making a move to a better conference. There is a reason WVU is still where they are. An LSU donor's wife, was pulled from her car in Morgantown and punched in the gut, 8 months pregnant and she was punched in the gut. Nobody will forget it when they vote on the Eers' applications, they won't state the reason publicly, but it absolutely has an impact.

If she is wearing a Memphis uniform, it is the school's responsibility to act, and I don't mean a press-less in house slap on the wrist. Despicable behavior, and no excuse is sufficient, or acceptable.

That was 12 years ago. No escuse for that, but I'm sure it's happened many times at many places over the decades and just went unreported, or never made the national news. That lady's husband was seriously damaged, the only reason it made any news at all was that she was 22 weeks pregnant and she got "some bumps and bruises". You think that sort of behavior couldn't be written off as "one bad apple" if WV had a top 10 Football Brand and AAU-level Academics? Look at what UNC got away with in their Academic cheating scandal. If I was the a President in the B1G and I was considering a school, I'd be more critical of a widespread cheating program like UNC's than I would be of the behavior of a couple of unruly fans at another potential school. Not saying that either of us are looking at WV, but my point stands.

UNC is in a league by themselves with the bogus classes billed through the bursars office. But hey, it's one thing to get shoved or fouled in a game and toss a shot back. It's in an entirely different realm when the game is over and the walk by greeting is happening. No class, no sportsmanship, and a cheap shot. The WVU issue is across seasons usually during a night game and a direct result of alcohol. But venues and schools are responsible for their crowds and the nobody should be assaulted, least of all for asking for directions.

Those things live on in the minds of schools like Notre Dame, L.S.U. (and the SEC office), and Syracuse when Jim Brown was playing and they went to Morgantown.

Most WV people I've know are decent people and loyal fans. But the bad apples are not random and have been a pervasive problem over the years with no apparent end to the behavior in sight.

Memphis is working on a bad rep as well.

I do not discount your assertion but academic fraud and assault are two equally reprehensible offenses with one being academically unforgiveable and the other being socially unacceptable. Neither screams pick me!

yep

(03-27-2023 10:18 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 10:05 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 01:56 PM)bearcat1970 Wrote:  I am concerned that Penny Hardaway has anger management issues. The throwing of the water bottle is similar to the antics of another coach with a screw loose- Bob Knight

Bobby Knight won more titles than most schools (including A&M and Cincinnati combined) have won in their entire existence. But, yeah, we can't throw water bottles, it's rude.

IU has 22 Big Ten titles in bball, Cincinnati has 34 conference titles. Knight did win 3 national championships vs 2 total for UC.

But, but, B1G titles, or a 6-12 record for that matter, mean moar! Just ask the NCAAT selection committee!

(03-27-2023 12:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:07 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 11:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 11:20 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 10:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  UNC is in a league by themselves with the bogus classes billed through the bursars office. But hey, it's one thing to get shoved or fouled in a game and toss a shot back. It's in an entirely different realm when the game is over and the walk by greeting is happening. No class, no sportsmanship, and a cheap shot. The WVU issue is across seasons usually during a night game and a direct result of alcohol. But venues and schools are responsible for their crowds and the nobody should be assaulted, least of all for asking for directions.

Those things live on in the minds of schools like Notre Dame, L.S.U. (and the SEC office), and Syracuse when Jim Brown was playing and they went to Morgantown.

Most WV people I've know are decent people and loyal fans. But the bad apples are not random and have been a pervasive problem over the years with no apparent end to the behavior in sight.

Memphis is working on a bad rep as well.

I do not discount your assertion but academic fraud and assault are two equally reprehensible offenses with one being academically unforgiveable and the other being socially unacceptable. Neither screams pick me!

Can you fill me in on the Jim Brown WVU incident? I figure I would have heard bout one.

Just a rude reception overall. I think ESPN had special on Brown and Davis and covered it in that special. They didn't assault him. One of the 'Cuse posters of age may know more.

A rude reception? At an away game? Prolly why I never heard about it.
The Ernie Davis incident depicted in the movie “The Express” was totally made up. Here’s a link…

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2008/10/ho...he_re.html

Didn't see the movie, but that rebuttal seems to be fair enough with regard to referenced incident. And I'm glad you linked the article.

The LSU incident was well documented, and it wasn't unique. The point I made stands. When schools cannot control the conduct of students or players, or secure the venue experience, they aren't going to get serious consideration in a conference like the ACC or SEC. The throwing of batteries, and fan conduct issues have been an ongoing issue in Morgantown. You just don't experience that at road games in most Big 10, ACC, and SEC venues.

L.S.U. gets accused the most in the SEC, but I never had to fight a drunk Cajun at an LSU game, and their tailgates are fabulous. Their baseball crowd is one of the nicest in the SEC, along with Mississippi State's. Baton Rouge with drunks on Saturday night is boisterous and raucous, but like I said I've not experienced violence. Drunks are at all venues I've been to. Selling alcohol at games now just means they aren't halfway sober when they leave. Used to they drank before the game and were getting sober by halftime. While alcohol misuse is a problem everywhere, violence is not.

This did not happen to me, but the best man at my wedding was in the Aggie Band for 4 yrs and he told me years ago that they did have batteries thrown at them in Death Valley while he was in school (93-97 were his years in band).

(03-27-2023 02:49 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 12:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 11:11 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Not something you want to see but that's life in the fishbowl. We don't know the story. Plenty of university staff are closer to the situation. They handle it.

You get what you tolerate. Quit making excuses for it, and act swiftly and decisively and it will end. Let the staff handle it is shorthand for sanitize, excuse, and sweep under the rug. We don't have to know what preceded it, if anything, we saw the one who acted inappropriately by any etiquette in sport.

And while nobody in a conference may speak to it, it absolutely damages the chances of Memphis making a move to a better conference. There is a reason WVU is still where they are. An LSU donor's wife, was pulled from her car in Morgantown and punched in the gut, 8 months pregnant and she was punched in the gut. Nobody will forget it when they vote on the Eers' applications, they won't state the reason publicly, but it absolutely has an impact.

If she is wearing a Memphis uniform, it is the school's responsibility to act, and I don't mean a press-less in house slap on the wrist. Despicable behavior, and no excuse is sufficient, or acceptable.

I would say any SEC school outside of Vandy shouldn't throw any stones in their glass houses. I've never been treated as rudely as I was in Baton Rouge. Several drunk rednecks wanted a go just for wearing the opponents football jerseys. And a freaking FCS school at the time. I'm glad i was just a college kid at the time and didn't have a wife or kids.

I've been to lots of places to watch App football and I'll never be going back to Baton Rouge.

LSU does have more rowdy fans than other SEC schools in my experience, I'd agree with that. But I wouldn't say that all SEC schools have lots of fans like that. Vanderbilt, Alabama, Ole' Miss, Arkansas, and Missouri are a few that I've personally visited for road games, often my buddies and I were the only Aggies in a very large RV lot (once we managed to get a space surrounded by a bunch of $$$$ RVs in Alabama, that was surreal), and we never once had a single incident. If anything, the other team's fans were fighting over who could give us the most beer/bbq/liquor/etc, one time we were freezing our butts off in Missouri and the guys in the RV next to us brought us over to get around their amazing warm outdoor portable heater. That thing was like the sun, it was the best. I'd wager that visiting fans in Aggieland typically have a similar experience.

(03-28-2023 12:24 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:49 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 12:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 11:11 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Not something you want to see but that's life in the fishbowl. We don't know the story. Plenty of university staff are closer to the situation. They handle it.

You get what you tolerate. Quit making excuses for it, and act swiftly and decisively and it will end. Let the staff handle it is shorthand for sanitize, excuse, and sweep under the rug. We don't have to know what preceded it, if anything, we saw the one who acted inappropriately by any etiquette in sport.

And while nobody in a conference may speak to it, it absolutely damages the chances of Memphis making a move to a better conference. There is a reason WVU is still where they are. An LSU donor's wife, was pulled from her car in Morgantown and punched in the gut, 8 months pregnant and she was punched in the gut. Nobody will forget it when they vote on the Eers' applications, they won't state the reason publicly, but it absolutely has an impact.

If she is wearing a Memphis uniform, it is the school's responsibility to act, and I don't mean a press-less in house slap on the wrist. Despicable behavior, and no excuse is sufficient, or acceptable.

I would say any SEC school outside of Vandy shouldn't throw any stones in their glass houses. I've never been treated as rudely as I was in Baton Rouge. Several drunk rednecks wanted a go just for wearing the opponents football jerseys. And a freaking FCS school at the time. I'm glad i was just a college kid at the time and didn't have a wife or kids.

I've been to lots of places to watch App football and I'll never be going back to Baton Rouge.

LSU does have more rowdy fans than other SEC schools in my experience, I'd agree with that. But I wouldn't say that all SEC schools have lots of fans like that. Vanderbilt, Alabama, Ole' Miss, Arkansas, and Missouri are a few that I've personally visited for road games, often my buddies and I were the only Aggies in a very large RV lot (once we managed to get a space surrounded by a bunch of $$$$ RVs in Alabama, that was surreal), and we never once had a single incident. If anything, the other team's fans were fighting over who could give us the most beer/bbq/liquor/etc, one time we were freezing our butts off in Missouri and the guys in the RV next to us brought us over to get around their amazing warm outdoor portable heater. That thing was like the sun, it was the best. I'd wager that visiting fans in Aggieland typically have a similar experience.

Aggies can be pretty obnoxious, especially if their traditions get insulted. Earliest one I heard of was the 20s. Some Baylor cheerleaders made fun of Aggie traditions in a parade. Aggies started a brawl and one of the Aggies got killed. SMU's cheerleaders famously cartwheeled onto the field in the 80s, which the Aggies consider a war memorial and one of the Core of Cadets went after them with a sword. One of the male SMU cheerleaders decked him before he could do any damage. Rice band had to have a police escort out of town in the early 70s, because Rice, as a scatter band like Stanford likes to make fun of things. Think they made fun of the Aggies dog. Reading a TCU board they were talking about a baseball game where a TCU outfielder hit the wall and was injured and Aggies were throwing beer on him. And then there was actually a video of a couple of drunk male Aggies harrassing a couple of Baylor coeds after a game 2005-2010 era. The Baylor women laid out the Aggie guys. Seems like Aggies like to harrass cheerleaders, women and other people they think are helpless. And, of course, after the bonfire disaster when there was a lot of unity and UT actually did a blood drive to support the Aggies, the Texas football team was treated really rudely in a College Station restaurant and a bunch of the team got food poisoning before the game. They suspected the restaurant. I had my car bumper vandalized in my own driveway in Houston. I suspected it was the young Aggies who lived across the street. They "sawed off" the Horns on my bumper sticker, scratching the bumper.

Aggies brag about hospitality, but I've never heard stories like that anywhere else.
At least I never heard of them throwing batteries like Colorado was known for.

(03-28-2023 12:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:24 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:49 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 12:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 11:11 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Not something you want to see but that's life in the fishbowl. We don't know the story. Plenty of university staff are closer to the situation. They handle it.

You get what you tolerate. Quit making excuses for it, and act swiftly and decisively and it will end. Let the staff handle it is shorthand for sanitize, excuse, and sweep under the rug. We don't have to know what preceded it, if anything, we saw the one who acted inappropriately by any etiquette in sport.

And while nobody in a conference may speak to it, it absolutely damages the chances of Memphis making a move to a better conference. There is a reason WVU is still where they are. An LSU donor's wife, was pulled from her car in Morgantown and punched in the gut, 8 months pregnant and she was punched in the gut. Nobody will forget it when they vote on the Eers' applications, they won't state the reason publicly, but it absolutely has an impact.

If she is wearing a Memphis uniform, it is the school's responsibility to act, and I don't mean a press-less in house slap on the wrist. Despicable behavior, and no excuse is sufficient, or acceptable.

I would say any SEC school outside of Vandy shouldn't throw any stones in their glass houses. I've never been treated as rudely as I was in Baton Rouge. Several drunk rednecks wanted a go just for wearing the opponents football jerseys. And a freaking FCS school at the time. I'm glad i was just a college kid at the time and didn't have a wife or kids.

I've been to lots of places to watch App football and I'll never be going back to Baton Rouge.

LSU does have more rowdy fans than other SEC schools in my experience, I'd agree with that. But I wouldn't say that all SEC schools have lots of fans like that. Vanderbilt, Alabama, Ole' Miss, Arkansas, and Missouri are a few that I've personally visited for road games, often my buddies and I were the only Aggies in a very large RV lot (once we managed to get a space surrounded by a bunch of $$$$ RVs in Alabama, that was surreal), and we never once had a single incident. If anything, the other team's fans were fighting over who could give us the most beer/bbq/liquor/etc, one time we were freezing our butts off in Missouri and the guys in the RV next to us brought us over to get around their amazing warm outdoor portable heater. That thing was like the sun, it was the best. I'd wager that visiting fans in Aggieland typically have a similar experience.

Aggies can be pretty obnoxious, especially if their traditions get insulted. Earliest one I heard of was the 20s. Some Baylor cheerleaders made fun of Aggie traditions in a parade. Aggies started a brawl and one of the Aggies got killed. SMU's cheerleaders famously cartwheeled onto the field in the 80s, which the Aggies consider a war memorial and one of the Core of Cadets went after them with a sword. One of the male SMU cheerleaders decked him before he could do any damage. Rice band had to have a police escort out of town in the early 70s, because Rice, as a scatter band like Stanford likes to make fun of things. Think they made fun of the Aggies dog. Reading a TCU board they were talking about a baseball game where a TCU outfielder hit the wall and was injured and Aggies were throwing beer on him. And then there was actually a video of a couple of drunk male Aggies harrassing a couple of Baylor coeds after a game 2005-2010 era. The Baylor women laid out the Aggie guys. Seems like Aggies like to harrass cheerleaders, women and other people they think are helpless. And, of course, after the bonfire disaster when there was a lot of unity and UT actually did a blood drive to support the Aggies, the Texas football team was treated really rudely in a College Station restaurant and a bunch of the team got food poisoning before the game. They suspected the restaurant. I had my car bumper vandalized in my own driveway in Houston. I suspected it was the young Aggies who lived across the street. They "sawed off" the Horns on my bumper sticker, scratching the bumper.

Aggies brag about hospitality, but I've never heard stories like that anywhere else.
At least I never heard of them throwing batteries like Colorado was known for.

Thanks for reminding me about bonfire. One of the 12 who died, Chris Breen, was a friend of mine. He was a year behind me in my outfit. Ive always appreciate the support from UT during those dark days.

She should get hammered in terms of charges, scumbag thug move

(03-28-2023 12:24 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:49 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 12:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 11:11 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Not something you want to see but that's life in the fishbowl. We don't know the story. Plenty of university staff are closer to the situation. They handle it.

You get what you tolerate. Quit making excuses for it, and act swiftly and decisively and it will end. Let the staff handle it is shorthand for sanitize, excuse, and sweep under the rug. We don't have to know what preceded it, if anything, we saw the one who acted inappropriately by any etiquette in sport.

And while nobody in a conference may speak to it, it absolutely damages the chances of Memphis making a move to a better conference. There is a reason WVU is still where they are. An LSU donor's wife, was pulled from her car in Morgantown and punched in the gut, 8 months pregnant and she was punched in the gut. Nobody will forget it when they vote on the Eers' applications, they won't state the reason publicly, but it absolutely has an impact.

If she is wearing a Memphis uniform, it is the school's responsibility to act, and I don't mean a press-less in house slap on the wrist. Despicable behavior, and no excuse is sufficient, or acceptable.

I would say any SEC school outside of Vandy shouldn't throw any stones in their glass houses. I've never been treated as rudely as I was in Baton Rouge. Several drunk rednecks wanted a go just for wearing the opponents football jerseys. And a freaking FCS school at the time. I'm glad i was just a college kid at the time and didn't have a wife or kids.

I've been to lots of places to watch App football and I'll never be going back to Baton Rouge.

LSU does have more rowdy fans than other SEC schools in my experience, I'd agree with that. But I wouldn't say that all SEC schools have lots of fans like that. Vanderbilt, Alabama, Ole' Miss, Arkansas, and Missouri are a few that I've personally visited for road games, often my buddies and I were the only Aggies in a very large RV lot (once we managed to get a space surrounded by a bunch of $$$$ RVs in Alabama, that was surreal), and we never once had a single incident. If anything, the other team's fans were fighting over who could give us the most beer/bbq/liquor/etc, one time we were freezing our butts off in Missouri and the guys in the RV next to us brought us over to get around their amazing warm outdoor portable heater. That thing was like the sun, it was the best. I'd wager that visiting fans in Aggieland typically have a similar experience.

It also depends on who the visitor is. A bitter old rival vs a fresh new opponent…

(03-28-2023 12:24 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:49 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 12:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 11:11 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Not something you want to see but that's life in the fishbowl. We don't know the story. Plenty of university staff are closer to the situation. They handle it.

You get what you tolerate. Quit making excuses for it, and act swiftly and decisively and it will end. Let the staff handle it is shorthand for sanitize, excuse, and sweep under the rug. We don't have to know what preceded it, if anything, we saw the one who acted inappropriately by any etiquette in sport.

And while nobody in a conference may speak to it, it absolutely damages the chances of Memphis making a move to a better conference. There is a reason WVU is still where they are. An LSU donor's wife, was pulled from her car in Morgantown and punched in the gut, 8 months pregnant and she was punched in the gut. Nobody will forget it when they vote on the Eers' applications, they won't state the reason publicly, but it absolutely has an impact.

If she is wearing a Memphis uniform, it is the school's responsibility to act, and I don't mean a press-less in house slap on the wrist. Despicable behavior, and no excuse is sufficient, or acceptable.

I would say any SEC school outside of Vandy shouldn't throw any stones in their glass houses. I've never been treated as rudely as I was in Baton Rouge. Several drunk rednecks wanted a go just for wearing the opponents football jerseys. And a freaking FCS school at the time. I'm glad i was just a college kid at the time and didn't have a wife or kids.

I've been to lots of places to watch App football and I'll never be going back to Baton Rouge.

LSU does have more rowdy fans than other SEC schools in my experience, I'd agree with that. But I wouldn't say that all SEC schools have lots of fans like that. Vanderbilt, Alabama, Ole' Miss, Arkansas, and Missouri are a few that I've personally visited for road games, often my buddies and I were the only Aggies in a very large RV lot (once we managed to get a space surrounded by a bunch of $$$$ RVs in Alabama, that was surreal), and we never once had a single incident. If anything, the other team's fans were fighting over who could give us the most beer/bbq/liquor/etc, one time we were freezing our butts off in Missouri and the guys in the RV next to us brought us over to get around their amazing warm outdoor portable heater. That thing was like the sun, it was the best. I'd wager that visiting fans in Aggieland typically have a similar experience.

I haven't been to any of those other schools, but I did have been to UGA, So Car, UNC (LOL), Penn State, Florida etc and ZERO negative interactions. Some of the trailer park brigade at UGA followed me and my wife around barking like idiots, it was annoying but harmless.

(03-27-2023 02:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:25 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:07 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 11:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Just a rude reception overall. I think ESPN had special on Brown and Davis and covered it in that special. They didn't assault him. One of the 'Cuse posters of age may know more.

A rude reception? At an away game? Prolly why I never heard about it.
The Ernie Davis incident depicted in the movie “The Express” was totally made up. Here’s a link…

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2008/10/ho...he_re.html

Didn't see the movie, but that rebuttal seems to be fair enough with regard to referenced incident. And I'm glad you linked the article.

The LSU incident was well documented, and it wasn't unique. The point I made stands. When schools cannot control the conduct of students or players, or secure the venue experience, they aren't going to get serious consideration in a conference like the ACC or SEC. The throwing of batteries, and fan conduct issues have been an ongoing issue in Morgantown. You just don't experience that at road games in most Big 10, ACC, and SEC venues.

L.S.U. gets accused the most in the SEC, but I never had to fight a drunk Cajun at an LSU game, and their tailgates are fabulous. Their baseball crowd is one of the nicest in the SEC, along with Mississippi State's. Baton Rouge with drunks on Saturday night is boisterous and raucous, but like I said I've not experienced violence. Drunks are at all venues I've been to. Selling alcohol at games now just means they aren't halfway sober when they leave. Used to they drank before the game and were getting sober by halftime. While alcohol misuse is a problem everywhere, violence is not.

Actually, you said a pregnant lsu fan was punched in the gut. Remember? So no, you don’t get to claim being correct unless you got something to back that claim up with.
And are you also trying to claim there’s never fights at SEC games? Cause that’s what it sounds like you’re claiming.

You are insinuating a claim I did not make, and obviously ignoring a post about my own experience at an Auburn game. I'm not claiming the SEC is pristine. Fan fights exist. I am saying that in 60 years of going to games in the SEC nothing like what happened in Morgantown has happened. Had a drunk Bama fan attempt to pick a fight with an elderly man and his wife at Legion field who were leaving the Iron Bowl to head to their car, but inside the stadium gates. The older Auburn gentleman didn't have to take action. Two decent Alabama fans handled it for him. So yeah, those kinds of things happen. But nothing like this.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alabama-fan...ster-says/

edit for also this, an editorial pleading Alabama fans to stop shooting after an Alabama loss:
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2021/...tball.html

(03-28-2023 07:13 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:24 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:49 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 12:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 11:11 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Not something you want to see but that's life in the fishbowl. We don't know the story. Plenty of university staff are closer to the situation. They handle it.

You get what you tolerate. Quit making excuses for it, and act swiftly and decisively and it will end. Let the staff handle it is shorthand for sanitize, excuse, and sweep under the rug. We don't have to know what preceded it, if anything, we saw the one who acted inappropriately by any etiquette in sport.

And while nobody in a conference may speak to it, it absolutely damages the chances of Memphis making a move to a better conference. There is a reason WVU is still where they are. An LSU donor's wife, was pulled from her car in Morgantown and punched in the gut, 8 months pregnant and she was punched in the gut. Nobody will forget it when they vote on the Eers' applications, they won't state the reason publicly, but it absolutely has an impact.

If she is wearing a Memphis uniform, it is the school's responsibility to act, and I don't mean a press-less in house slap on the wrist. Despicable behavior, and no excuse is sufficient, or acceptable.

I would say any SEC school outside of Vandy shouldn't throw any stones in their glass houses. I've never been treated as rudely as I was in Baton Rouge. Several drunk rednecks wanted a go just for wearing the opponents football jerseys. And a freaking FCS school at the time. I'm glad i was just a college kid at the time and didn't have a wife or kids.

I've been to lots of places to watch App football and I'll never be going back to Baton Rouge.

LSU does have more rowdy fans than other SEC schools in my experience, I'd agree with that. But I wouldn't say that all SEC schools have lots of fans like that. Vanderbilt, Alabama, Ole' Miss, Arkansas, and Missouri are a few that I've personally visited for road games, often my buddies and I were the only Aggies in a very large RV lot (once we managed to get a space surrounded by a bunch of $$$$ RVs in Alabama, that was surreal), and we never once had a single incident. If anything, the other team's fans were fighting over who could give us the most beer/bbq/liquor/etc, one time we were freezing our butts off in Missouri and the guys in the RV next to us brought us over to get around their amazing warm outdoor portable heater. That thing was like the sun, it was the best. I'd wager that visiting fans in Aggieland typically have a similar experience.

I haven't been to any of those other schools, but I did have been to UGA, So Car, UNC (LOL), Penn State, Florida etc and ZERO negative interactions. Some of the trailer park brigade at UGA followed me and my wife around barking like idiots, it was annoying but harmless.

A gator fan keyed and dented my Toyota 4Runner (with FSU plate) following the '99 game at Ben Hill Griffin. Rivals very often get treated very differently. Especially after a loss. Goes both ways, of course.

(03-28-2023 02:25 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:24 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:49 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 12:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You get what you tolerate. Quit making excuses for it, and act swiftly and decisively and it will end. Let the staff handle it is shorthand for sanitize, excuse, and sweep under the rug. We don't have to know what preceded it, if anything, we saw the one who acted inappropriately by any etiquette in sport.

And while nobody in a conference may speak to it, it absolutely damages the chances of Memphis making a move to a better conference. There is a reason WVU is still where they are. An LSU donor's wife, was pulled from her car in Morgantown and punched in the gut, 8 months pregnant and she was punched in the gut. Nobody will forget it when they vote on the Eers' applications, they won't state the reason publicly, but it absolutely has an impact.

If she is wearing a Memphis uniform, it is the school's responsibility to act, and I don't mean a press-less in house slap on the wrist. Despicable behavior, and no excuse is sufficient, or acceptable.

I would say any SEC school outside of Vandy shouldn't throw any stones in their glass houses. I've never been treated as rudely as I was in Baton Rouge. Several drunk rednecks wanted a go just for wearing the opponents football jerseys. And a freaking FCS school at the time. I'm glad i was just a college kid at the time and didn't have a wife or kids.

I've been to lots of places to watch App football and I'll never be going back to Baton Rouge.

LSU does have more rowdy fans than other SEC schools in my experience, I'd agree with that. But I wouldn't say that all SEC schools have lots of fans like that. Vanderbilt, Alabama, Ole' Miss, Arkansas, and Missouri are a few that I've personally visited for road games, often my buddies and I were the only Aggies in a very large RV lot (once we managed to get a space surrounded by a bunch of $$$$ RVs in Alabama, that was surreal), and we never once had a single incident. If anything, the other team's fans were fighting over who could give us the most beer/bbq/liquor/etc, one time we were freezing our butts off in Missouri and the guys in the RV next to us brought us over to get around their amazing warm outdoor portable heater. That thing was like the sun, it was the best. I'd wager that visiting fans in Aggieland typically have a similar experience.

Aggies can be pretty obnoxious, especially if their traditions get insulted. Earliest one I heard of was the 20s. Some Baylor cheerleaders made fun of Aggie traditions in a parade. Aggies started a brawl and one of the Aggies got killed. SMU's cheerleaders famously cartwheeled onto the field in the 80s, which the Aggies consider a war memorial and one of the Core of Cadets went after them with a sword. One of the male SMU cheerleaders decked him before he could do any damage. Rice band had to have a police escort out of town in the early 70s, because Rice, as a scatter band like Stanford likes to make fun of things. Think they made fun of the Aggies dog. Reading a TCU board they were talking about a baseball game where a TCU outfielder hit the wall and was injured and Aggies were throwing beer on him. And then there was actually a video of a couple of drunk male Aggies harrassing a couple of Baylor coeds after a game 2005-2010 era. The Baylor women laid out the Aggie guys. Seems like Aggies like to harrass cheerleaders, women and other people they think are helpless. And, of course, after the bonfire disaster when there was a lot of unity and UT actually did a blood drive to support the Aggies, the Texas football team was treated really rudely in a College Station restaurant and a bunch of the team got food poisoning before the game. They suspected the restaurant. I had my car bumper vandalized in my own driveway in Houston. I suspected it was the young Aggies who lived across the street. They "sawed off" the Horns on my bumper sticker, scratching the bumper.

Aggies brag about hospitality, but I've never heard stories like that anywhere else.
At least I never heard of them throwing batteries like Colorado was known for.

Thanks for reminding me about bonfire. One of the 12 who died, Chris Breen, was a friend of mine. He was a year behind me in my outfit. Ive always appreciate the support from UT during those dark days.

Sorry to hear about that. It was a tragedy. Like the Enron financial scandal (which didn't physically harm anyone), it was a reminder of the danger of group-think. Diversity of thinking is a very good thing. Nobody would listen to that one professor who saw the danger. At Texas the bonfire tradition died out in the 70s because too many frat boys were flunking out.