(03-18-2023 02:41 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  When in comes to voting for schools, which SEC schools gain and which lose with the addition of FSU?

Florida wins because their annual game is now a league game.
Do Georgia and Alabama want to elevate FSU by giving them more money than they have access to now?
How are Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Oklahoma benefited by adding FSU? When once they could go into Florida and recruit against FSU with the SEC advantage, the advantage is now gone.
Do Texas, TAMU, and LSU need any recruits from Florida?
Are they voting to add an easy win - no.

I think you can make a solid case that most schools in the SEC gain nothing by adding FSU.

FSU's highest and best value is to the Big 10 for some of the B10 FSU is not politically or academically welcome - how many is difficult to say. Can you imagine how socially isolated FSU would be in the B10?

Now this is pure hogwash. The SEC office has one chief complaint it cannot solve, everyone in the SEC except Florida wants to be able to schedule games in Florida more often. Florida State wouldn't get a single no vote. Especially not the Gators who have twice nominated them for membership and want them in so that realignment and consolidation will not threaten the series from which they both make oodles of donations. Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn would all see FSU as a greater link to the Panhandle and an easy drive for an away game.

This isn't your angle with which to credibly play sophistry. The GOR is the only angle with teeth.

But I'll posit one question which may or may not have relevance, "Would the ACC be more stable if it only lost FSU, than it would by keeping it?" And this question is especially asked with the idea of additions in mind to open up renegotiations of the contract. Essentially creating a quid pro quo between ESPN and the ACC may be an opportunity to address a few issues.

(03-21-2023 02:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 02:41 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  When in comes to voting for schools, which SEC schools gain and which lose with the addition of FSU?

Florida wins because their annual game is now a league game.
Do Georgia and Alabama want to elevate FSU by giving them more money than they have access to now?
How are Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Oklahoma benefited by adding FSU? When once they could go into Florida and recruit against FSU with the SEC advantage, the advantage is now gone.
Do Texas, TAMU, and LSU need any recruits from Florida?
Are they voting to add an easy win - no.

I think you can make a solid case that most schools in the SEC gain nothing by adding FSU.

FSU's highest and best value is to the Big 10 for some of the B10 FSU is not politically or academically welcome - how many is difficult to say. Can you imagine how socially isolated FSU would be in the B10?

Now this is pure hogwash. The SEC office has one chief complaint it cannot solve, everyone in the SEC except Florida wants to be able to schedule games in Florida more often. Florida State wouldn't get a single no vote. Especially not the Gators who have twice nominated them for membership and want them in so that realignment and consolidation will not threaten the series from which they both make oodles of donations. Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn would all see FSU as a greater link to the Panhandle and an easy drive for an away game.

This isn't your angle with which to credibly play sophistry. The GOR is the only angle with teeth.

But I'll posit one question which may or may not have relevance, "Would the ACC be more stable if it only lost FSU, than it would by keeping it?" And this question is especially asked with the idea of additions in mind to open up renegotiations of the contract. Essentially creating a quid pro quo between ESPN and the ACC may be an opportunity to address a few issues.

Yep. The GoR is the only thing (and no small thing) standing in the way. And even if UF wasn't a "yea" vote for FSU…every other school in the SEC will be. They all have a reason or three to want another Sunshine State school in the SEC. And then what's the point of UF being the lone hold-out. That wouldn't do them any political favors. UF will yell "yea" the loudest of all, whether they're 100% behind it or not.

(03-21-2023 02:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 02:41 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  When in comes to voting for schools, which SEC schools gain and which lose with the addition of FSU?

Florida wins because their annual game is now a league game.
Do Georgia and Alabama want to elevate FSU by giving them more money than they have access to now?
How are Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Oklahoma benefited by adding FSU? When once they could go into Florida and recruit against FSU with the SEC advantage, the advantage is now gone.
Do Texas, TAMU, and LSU need any recruits from Florida?
Are they voting to add an easy win - no.

I think you can make a solid case that most schools in the SEC gain nothing by adding FSU.

FSU's highest and best value is to the Big 10 for some of the B10 FSU is not politically or academically welcome - how many is difficult to say. Can you imagine how socially isolated FSU would be in the B10?

Now this is pure hogwash. The SEC office has one chief complaint it cannot solve, everyone in the SEC except Florida wants to be able to schedule games in Florida more often. Florida State wouldn't get a single no vote. Especially not the Gators who have twice nominated them for membership and want them in so that realignment and consolidation will not threaten the series from which they both make oodles of donations. Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn would all see FSU as a greater link to the Panhandle and an easy drive for an away game.

This isn't your angle with which to credibly play sophistry. The GOR is the only angle with teeth.

But I'll posit one question which may or may not have relevance, "Would the ACC be more stable if it only lost FSU, than it would by keeping it?" And this question is especially asked with the idea of additions in mind to open up renegotiations of the contract. Essentially creating a quid pro quo between ESPN and the ACC may be an opportunity to address a few issues.

How much AND which schools are the SEC and ESPN offering for Florida State, JR. ?

(03-21-2023 05:53 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 02:41 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  When in comes to voting for schools, which SEC schools gain and which lose with the addition of FSU?

Florida wins because their annual game is now a league game.
Do Georgia and Alabama want to elevate FSU by giving them more money than they have access to now?
How are Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Oklahoma benefited by adding FSU? When once they could go into Florida and recruit against FSU with the SEC advantage, the advantage is now gone.
Do Texas, TAMU, and LSU need any recruits from Florida?
Are they voting to add an easy win - no.

I think you can make a solid case that most schools in the SEC gain nothing by adding FSU.

FSU's highest and best value is to the Big 10 for some of the B10 FSU is not politically or academically welcome - how many is difficult to say. Can you imagine how socially isolated FSU would be in the B10?

Now this is pure hogwash. The SEC office has one chief complaint it cannot solve, everyone in the SEC except Florida wants to be able to schedule games in Florida more often. Florida State wouldn't get a single no vote. Especially not the Gators who have twice nominated them for membership and want them in so that realignment and consolidation will not threaten the series from which they both make oodles of donations. Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn would all see FSU as a greater link to the Panhandle and an easy drive for an away game.

This isn't your angle with which to credibly play sophistry. The GOR is the only angle with teeth.

But I'll posit one question which may or may not have relevance, "Would the ACC be more stable if it only lost FSU, than it would by keeping it?" And this question is especially asked with the idea of additions in mind to open up renegotiations of the contract. Essentially creating a quid pro quo between ESPN and the ACC may be an opportunity to address a few issues.

How much AND which schools are the SEC and ESPN offering for Florida State, JR. ?

I’m no JR but I’d have the short list as:
1. USF
2. Cincy (when avail)
3. KU (when avail)
4. UCF (when avail)
5. WVU (sentimental pick)

(03-21-2023 02:46 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 02:41 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  When in comes to voting for schools, which SEC schools gain and which lose with the addition of FSU?

Florida wins because their annual game is now a league game.
Do Georgia and Alabama want to elevate FSU by giving them more money than they have access to now?
How are Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Oklahoma benefited by adding FSU? When once they could go into Florida and recruit against FSU with the SEC advantage, the advantage is now gone.
Do Texas, TAMU, and LSU need any recruits from Florida?
Are they voting to add an easy win - no.

I think you can make a solid case that most schools in the SEC gain nothing by adding FSU.

FSU's highest and best value is to the Big 10 for some of the B10 FSU is not politically or academically welcome - how many is difficult to say. Can you imagine how socially isolated FSU would be in the B10?

Now this is pure hogwash. The SEC office has one chief complaint it cannot solve, everyone in the SEC except Florida wants to be able to schedule games in Florida more often. Florida State wouldn't get a single no vote. Especially not the Gators who have twice nominated them for membership and want them in so that realignment and consolidation will not threaten the series from which they both make oodles of donations. Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn would all see FSU as a greater link to the Panhandle and an easy drive for an away game.

This isn't your angle with which to credibly play sophistry. The GOR is the only angle with teeth.

But I'll posit one question which may or may not have relevance, "Would the ACC be more stable if it only lost FSU, than it would by keeping it?" And this question is especially asked with the idea of additions in mind to open up renegotiations of the contract. Essentially creating a quid pro quo between ESPN and the ACC may be an opportunity to address a few issues.

Yep. The GoR is the only thing (and no small thing) standing in the way. And even if UF wasn't a "yea" vote for FSU…every other school in the SEC will be. They all have a reason or three to want another Sunshine State school in the SEC. And then what's the point of UF being the lone hold-out. That wouldn't do them any political favors. UF will yell "yea" the loudest of all, whether they're 100% behind it or not.

You guys realize Tallahassee is basically Lower Alabama and SW GA?

(03-21-2023 07:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:46 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 02:41 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  When in comes to voting for schools, which SEC schools gain and which lose with the addition of FSU?

Florida wins because their annual game is now a league game.
Do Georgia and Alabama want to elevate FSU by giving them more money than they have access to now?
How are Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Oklahoma benefited by adding FSU? When once they could go into Florida and recruit against FSU with the SEC advantage, the advantage is now gone.
Do Texas, TAMU, and LSU need any recruits from Florida?
Are they voting to add an easy win - no.

I think you can make a solid case that most schools in the SEC gain nothing by adding FSU.

FSU's highest and best value is to the Big 10 for some of the B10 FSU is not politically or academically welcome - how many is difficult to say. Can you imagine how socially isolated FSU would be in the B10?

Now this is pure hogwash. The SEC office has one chief complaint it cannot solve, everyone in the SEC except Florida wants to be able to schedule games in Florida more often. Florida State wouldn't get a single no vote. Especially not the Gators who have twice nominated them for membership and want them in so that realignment and consolidation will not threaten the series from which they both make oodles of donations. Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn would all see FSU as a greater link to the Panhandle and an easy drive for an away game.

This isn't your angle with which to credibly play sophistry. The GOR is the only angle with teeth.

But I'll posit one question which may or may not have relevance, "Would the ACC be more stable if it only lost FSU, than it would by keeping it?" And this question is especially asked with the idea of additions in mind to open up renegotiations of the contract. Essentially creating a quid pro quo between ESPN and the ACC may be an opportunity to address a few issues.

Yep. The GoR is the only thing (and no small thing) standing in the way. And even if UF wasn't a "yea" vote for FSU…every other school in the SEC will be. They all have a reason or three to want another Sunshine State school in the SEC. And then what's the point of UF being the lone hold-out. That wouldn't do them any political favors. UF will yell "yea" the loudest of all, whether they're 100% behind it or not.

You guys realize Tallahassee is basically Lower Alabama and SW GA?

You realize I covered Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina for 20 years, along with Eastern Tennessee and Eastern Alabama right? Followed up on recruiting violations? I bet i went to St. Augustine when they still had the infamous car museum which had the cars Bonnie & Clyde and other celebrities died in on display and there were no Yankees in the upper 2/3rds of the state. Disney wasn't in Orlando, Silver Springs was a thing, and our Bungalow at Mexico beach was 2.5 miles from the next one and the beach was pristine. So yeah I know where Tallahassee is, and the Caves at Mariana. The location is why the culture and fit are so strong for the fans. Heck I watched FSU play several times before Bowden came there. They used to be homecoming opponents for SEC schools.

(03-21-2023 07:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 07:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:46 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 02:41 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  When in comes to voting for schools, which SEC schools gain and which lose with the addition of FSU?

Florida wins because their annual game is now a league game.
Do Georgia and Alabama want to elevate FSU by giving them more money than they have access to now?
How are Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Oklahoma benefited by adding FSU? When once they could go into Florida and recruit against FSU with the SEC advantage, the advantage is now gone.
Do Texas, TAMU, and LSU need any recruits from Florida?
Are they voting to add an easy win - no.

I think you can make a solid case that most schools in the SEC gain nothing by adding FSU.

FSU's highest and best value is to the Big 10 for some of the B10 FSU is not politically or academically welcome - how many is difficult to say. Can you imagine how socially isolated FSU would be in the B10?

Now this is pure hogwash. The SEC office has one chief complaint it cannot solve, everyone in the SEC except Florida wants to be able to schedule games in Florida more often. Florida State wouldn't get a single no vote. Especially not the Gators who have twice nominated them for membership and want them in so that realignment and consolidation will not threaten the series from which they both make oodles of donations. Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn would all see FSU as a greater link to the Panhandle and an easy drive for an away game.

This isn't your angle with which to credibly play sophistry. The GOR is the only angle with teeth.

But I'll posit one question which may or may not have relevance, "Would the ACC be more stable if it only lost FSU, than it would by keeping it?" And this question is especially asked with the idea of additions in mind to open up renegotiations of the contract. Essentially creating a quid pro quo between ESPN and the ACC may be an opportunity to address a few issues.

Yep. The GoR is the only thing (and no small thing) standing in the way. And even if UF wasn't a "yea" vote for FSU…every other school in the SEC will be. They all have a reason or three to want another Sunshine State school in the SEC. And then what's the point of UF being the lone hold-out. That wouldn't do them any political favors. UF will yell "yea" the loudest of all, whether they're 100% behind it or not.

You guys realize Tallahassee is basically Lower Alabama and SW GA?

You realize I covered Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina for 20 years, along with Eastern Tennessee and Eastern Alabama right? Followed up on recruiting violations? I bet i went to St. Augustine when they still had the infamous car museum which had the cars Bonnie & Clyde and other celebrities died in on display and there were no Yankees in the upper 2/3rds of the state. Disney wasn't in Orlando, Silver Springs was a thing, and our Bungalow at Mexico beach was 2.5 miles from the next one and the beach was pristine. So yeah I know where Tallahassee is, and the Caves at Mariana. The location is why the culture and fit are so strong for the fans. Heck I watched FSU play several times before Bowden came there. They used to be homecoming opponents for SEC schools.

I love that some folks still don't realize what a great place it is. Tally and especially the panhandle to the west...from the people to the beaches to the fishing to the seafood. FSU is sitting prettier by the day.

(03-21-2023 07:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 07:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:46 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 02:41 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  When in comes to voting for schools, which SEC schools gain and which lose with the addition of FSU?

Florida wins because their annual game is now a league game.
Do Georgia and Alabama want to elevate FSU by giving them more money than they have access to now?
How are Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Oklahoma benefited by adding FSU? When once they could go into Florida and recruit against FSU with the SEC advantage, the advantage is now gone.
Do Texas, TAMU, and LSU need any recruits from Florida?
Are they voting to add an easy win - no.

I think you can make a solid case that most schools in the SEC gain nothing by adding FSU.

FSU's highest and best value is to the Big 10 for some of the B10 FSU is not politically or academically welcome - how many is difficult to say. Can you imagine how socially isolated FSU would be in the B10?

Now this is pure hogwash. The SEC office has one chief complaint it cannot solve, everyone in the SEC except Florida wants to be able to schedule games in Florida more often. Florida State wouldn't get a single no vote. Especially not the Gators who have twice nominated them for membership and want them in so that realignment and consolidation will not threaten the series from which they both make oodles of donations. Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn would all see FSU as a greater link to the Panhandle and an easy drive for an away game.

This isn't your angle with which to credibly play sophistry. The GOR is the only angle with teeth.

But I'll posit one question which may or may not have relevance, "Would the ACC be more stable if it only lost FSU, than it would by keeping it?" And this question is especially asked with the idea of additions in mind to open up renegotiations of the contract. Essentially creating a quid pro quo between ESPN and the ACC may be an opportunity to address a few issues.

Yep. The GoR is the only thing (and no small thing) standing in the way. And even if UF wasn't a "yea" vote for FSU…every other school in the SEC will be. They all have a reason or three to want another Sunshine State school in the SEC. And then what's the point of UF being the lone hold-out. That wouldn't do them any political favors. UF will yell "yea" the loudest of all, whether they're 100% behind it or not.

You guys realize Tallahassee is basically Lower Alabama and SW GA?

You realize I covered Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina for 20 years, along with Eastern Tennessee and Eastern Alabama right? Followed up on recruiting violations? I bet i went to St. Augustine when they still had the infamous car museum which had the cars Bonnie & Clyde and other celebrities died in on display and there were no Yankees in the upper 2/3rds of the state. Disney wasn't in Orlando, Silver Springs was a thing, and our Bungalow at Mexico beach was 2.5 miles from the next one and the beach was pristine. So yeah I know where Tallahassee is, and the Caves at Mariana. The location is why the culture and fit are so strong for the fans. Heck I watched FSU play several times before Bowden came there. They used to be homecoming opponents for SEC schools.

... JR it was hyperbole

Tallahassee is truly SEC in culture but not like the Florida south of I-4. That was my point most of the recruits are Orlando and South...4+ hrs away

(03-21-2023 08:01 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 07:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 07:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:46 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Now this is pure hogwash. The SEC office has one chief complaint it cannot solve, everyone in the SEC except Florida wants to be able to schedule games in Florida more often. Florida State wouldn't get a single no vote. Especially not the Gators who have twice nominated them for membership and want them in so that realignment and consolidation will not threaten the series from which they both make oodles of donations. Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn would all see FSU as a greater link to the Panhandle and an easy drive for an away game.

This isn't your angle with which to credibly play sophistry. The GOR is the only angle with teeth.

But I'll posit one question which may or may not have relevance, "Would the ACC be more stable if it only lost FSU, than it would by keeping it?" And this question is especially asked with the idea of additions in mind to open up renegotiations of the contract. Essentially creating a quid pro quo between ESPN and the ACC may be an opportunity to address a few issues.

Yep. The GoR is the only thing (and no small thing) standing in the way. And even if UF wasn't a "yea" vote for FSU…every other school in the SEC will be. They all have a reason or three to want another Sunshine State school in the SEC. And then what's the point of UF being the lone hold-out. That wouldn't do them any political favors. UF will yell "yea" the loudest of all, whether they're 100% behind it or not.

You guys realize Tallahassee is basically Lower Alabama and SW GA?

You realize I covered Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina for 20 years, along with Eastern Tennessee and Eastern Alabama right? Followed up on recruiting violations? I bet i went to St. Augustine when they still had the infamous car museum which had the cars Bonnie & Clyde and other celebrities died in on display and there were no Yankees in the upper 2/3rds of the state. Disney wasn't in Orlando, Silver Springs was a thing, and our Bungalow at Mexico beach was 2.5 miles from the next one and the beach was pristine. So yeah I know where Tallahassee is, and the Caves at Mariana. The location is why the culture and fit are so strong for the fans. Heck I watched FSU play several times before Bowden came there. They used to be homecoming opponents for SEC schools.

I love that some folks still don't realize what a great place it is. Tally and especially the panhandle to the west...from the people to the beaches to the fishing to the seafood. FSU is sitting prettier by the day.

I lived 5 years in Niceville in the late 90s...loved it. I remember Destin in the mid 80s when it was an awesome little beach and fishing spot.

(03-21-2023 08:16 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:01 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 07:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 07:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:46 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  Yep. The GoR is the only thing (and no small thing) standing in the way. And even if UF wasn't a "yea" vote for FSU…every other school in the SEC will be. They all have a reason or three to want another Sunshine State school in the SEC. And then what's the point of UF being the lone hold-out. That wouldn't do them any political favors. UF will yell "yea" the loudest of all, whether they're 100% behind it or not.

You guys realize Tallahassee is basically Lower Alabama and SW GA?

You realize I covered Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina for 20 years, along with Eastern Tennessee and Eastern Alabama right? Followed up on recruiting violations? I bet i went to St. Augustine when they still had the infamous car museum which had the cars Bonnie & Clyde and other celebrities died in on display and there were no Yankees in the upper 2/3rds of the state. Disney wasn't in Orlando, Silver Springs was a thing, and our Bungalow at Mexico beach was 2.5 miles from the next one and the beach was pristine. So yeah I know where Tallahassee is, and the Caves at Mariana. The location is why the culture and fit are so strong for the fans. Heck I watched FSU play several times before Bowden came there. They used to be homecoming opponents for SEC schools.

I love that some folks still don't realize what a great place it is. Tally and especially the panhandle to the west...from the people to the beaches to the fishing to the seafood. FSU is sitting prettier by the day.

I lived 5 years in Niceville in the late 90s...loved it. I remember Destin in the mid 80s when it was an awesome little beach and fishing spot.

Palatka had some of the best freshwater fishing. Anywhere along the Atlantic in a charter out to the Gulf Stream was great. Drifting and trolling at the speed of the Gulf Stream was some of my Nirvana experiences. Cut the engines, turn off the radio, and just silently watch the lines until the bait click starts ticking. Then ziiiiing!

I had a guy from Pennsylvania tell me that he decided to move to Tallahassee because he read in his fishing magazine that Lake Jackson had some of the best Bass fishing in the USA.

(03-21-2023 08:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:16 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:01 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 07:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 07:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  You guys realize Tallahassee is basically Lower Alabama and SW GA?

You realize I covered Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina for 20 years, along with Eastern Tennessee and Eastern Alabama right? Followed up on recruiting violations? I bet i went to St. Augustine when they still had the infamous car museum which had the cars Bonnie & Clyde and other celebrities died in on display and there were no Yankees in the upper 2/3rds of the state. Disney wasn't in Orlando, Silver Springs was a thing, and our Bungalow at Mexico beach was 2.5 miles from the next one and the beach was pristine. So yeah I know where Tallahassee is, and the Caves at Mariana. The location is why the culture and fit are so strong for the fans. Heck I watched FSU play several times before Bowden came there. They used to be homecoming opponents for SEC schools.

I love that some folks still don't realize what a great place it is. Tally and especially the panhandle to the west...from the people to the beaches to the fishing to the seafood. FSU is sitting prettier by the day.

I lived 5 years in Niceville in the late 90s...loved it. I remember Destin in the mid 80s when it was an awesome little beach and fishing spot.

Palatka had some of the best freshwater fishing. Anywhere along the Atlantic in a charter out to the Gulf Stream was great. Drifting and trolling at the speed of the Gulf Stream was some of my Nirvana experiences. Cut the engines, turn off the radio, and just silently watch the lines until the bait click starts ticking. Then ziiiiing!

Palatka is very underrated. Love hiking the Ravine State Park. Corky Bell's is a must stop for lunch on the deck overlooking the St John's River.

(03-21-2023 08:52 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I had a guy from Pennsylvania tell me that he decided to move to Tallahassee because he read in his fishing magazine that Lake Jackson had some of the best Bass fishing in the USA.

I actually took an Ecology course at FSU that included a couple of field trips on Lake Jackson. No bass fishing involved…just a lot of pulling aquatic plant and water samples while evading a water moccasin. Our little research project on the eutrophication of the lake resolved itself a few years later when the lake completely drained into a sinkhole. Like a toilet flushing. I need to look up on what happened to it since.

(03-21-2023 09:32 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:52 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I had a guy from Pennsylvania tell me that he decided to move to Tallahassee because he read in his fishing magazine that Lake Jackson had some of the best Bass fishing in the USA.

I actually took an Ecology course at FSU that included a coupe of field trips on Lake Jackson. No bass fishing involved…just a lot of pulling aquatic plant and water samples while evading a water moccasin. Our little research project on the eutrophication of the lake resolved itself a few years later when the lake completely drained into a sinkhole. Like a toilet flushing. I need to look up on what happened to it since.

The lake was dry for 20 years or more. It’s making a slow come back.

(03-22-2023 03:22 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 09:32 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:52 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I had a guy from Pennsylvania tell me that he decided to move to Tallahassee because he read in his fishing magazine that Lake Jackson had some of the best Bass fishing in the USA.

I actually took an Ecology course at FSU that included a coupe of field trips on Lake Jackson. No bass fishing involved…just a lot of pulling aquatic plant and water samples while evading a water moccasin. Our little research project on the eutrophication of the lake resolved itself a few years later when the lake completely drained into a sinkhole. Like a toilet flushing. I need to look up on what happened to it since.

The lake was dry for 20 years or more. It’s making a slow come back.

Interesting never knew this.

BTW, staying at The Lodge at Wakulla Springs is a unique experience for a FSU game.

(03-20-2023 03:12 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I'm in favor of some performance based incentives at making the playoffs, bowl games, Sweet 16, F4, etc...maybe the top school can make $10M than the lowest performing school.

+1. If FSU would focus on this (and not on some pie-in-the-sky "we want to be paid based on our brand" idea, which will NEVER fly), they could probably get this passed.

(03-22-2023 07:11 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-22-2023 03:22 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 09:32 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:52 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I had a guy from Pennsylvania tell me that he decided to move to Tallahassee because he read in his fishing magazine that Lake Jackson had some of the best Bass fishing in the USA.

I actually took an Ecology course at FSU that included a coupe of field trips on Lake Jackson. No bass fishing involved…just a lot of pulling aquatic plant and water samples while evading a water moccasin. Our little research project on the eutrophication of the lake resolved itself a few years later when the lake completely drained into a sinkhole. Like a toilet flushing. I need to look up on what happened to it since.

The lake was dry for 20 years or more. It’s making a slow come back.

Interesting never knew this.

BTW, staying at The Lodge at Wakulla Springs is a unique experience for a FSU game.

Yeah I bet, that place looks frozen in time.

(03-21-2023 07:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  You guys realize Tallahassee is basically Lower Alabama and SW GA?

In the Hills of Kentucky we call that LA on the Redneck Riviera.
I love the Flora-Bama and the Emerald Coast.

I’ve been around the world and that’s one of my favorite places.

(03-21-2023 05:53 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 02:41 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  When in comes to voting for schools, which SEC schools gain and which lose with the addition of FSU?

Florida wins because their annual game is now a league game.
Do Georgia and Alabama want to elevate FSU by giving them more money than they have access to now?
How are Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Oklahoma benefited by adding FSU? When once they could go into Florida and recruit against FSU with the SEC advantage, the advantage is now gone.
Do Texas, TAMU, and LSU need any recruits from Florida?
Are they voting to add an easy win - no.

I think you can make a solid case that most schools in the SEC gain nothing by adding FSU.

FSU's highest and best value is to the Big 10 for some of the B10 FSU is not politically or academically welcome - how many is difficult to say. Can you imagine how socially isolated FSU would be in the B10?

Now this is pure hogwash. The SEC office has one chief complaint it cannot solve, everyone in the SEC except Florida wants to be able to schedule games in Florida more often. Florida State wouldn't get a single no vote. Especially not the Gators who have twice nominated them for membership and want them in so that realignment and consolidation will not threaten the series from which they both make oodles of donations. Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn would all see FSU as a greater link to the Panhandle and an easy drive for an away game.

This isn't your angle with which to credibly play sophistry. The GOR is the only angle with teeth.

But I'll posit one question which may or may not have relevance, "Would the ACC be more stable if it only lost FSU, than it would by keeping it?" And this question is especially asked with the idea of additions in mind to open up renegotiations of the contract. Essentially creating a quid pro quo between ESPN and the ACC may be an opportunity to address a few issues.

How much AND which schools are the SEC and ESPN offering for Florida State, JR. ?

I'm not JR, but why do you care at all, XLance, when your school has a life raft that won't be going away anytime soon??? You never did answer me about working in the B1G office, btw.

(03-22-2023 10:38 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 05:53 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 02:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 02:41 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  When in comes to voting for schools, which SEC schools gain and which lose with the addition of FSU?

Florida wins because their annual game is now a league game.
Do Georgia and Alabama want to elevate FSU by giving them more money than they have access to now?
How are Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Oklahoma benefited by adding FSU? When once they could go into Florida and recruit against FSU with the SEC advantage, the advantage is now gone.
Do Texas, TAMU, and LSU need any recruits from Florida?
Are they voting to add an easy win - no.

I think you can make a solid case that most schools in the SEC gain nothing by adding FSU.

FSU's highest and best value is to the Big 10 for some of the B10 FSU is not politically or academically welcome - how many is difficult to say. Can you imagine how socially isolated FSU would be in the B10?

Now this is pure hogwash. The SEC office has one chief complaint it cannot solve, everyone in the SEC except Florida wants to be able to schedule games in Florida more often. Florida State wouldn't get a single no vote. Especially not the Gators who have twice nominated them for membership and want them in so that realignment and consolidation will not threaten the series from which they both make oodles of donations. Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn would all see FSU as a greater link to the Panhandle and an easy drive for an away game.

This isn't your angle with which to credibly play sophistry. The GOR is the only angle with teeth.

But I'll posit one question which may or may not have relevance, "Would the ACC be more stable if it only lost FSU, than it would by keeping it?" And this question is especially asked with the idea of additions in mind to open up renegotiations of the contract. Essentially creating a quid pro quo between ESPN and the ACC may be an opportunity to address a few issues.

How much AND which schools are the SEC and ESPN offering for Florida State, JR. ?

I'm not JR, but why do you care at all, XLance, when your school has a life raft that won't be going away anytime soon??? You never did answer me about working in the B1G office, btw.

Sorry, I must have missed you question re: the B1G office, but I will answer you. I never worked in the B1G office. I have never worked in the ACC office either.
I do care, not only about my school, but the entire ACC. Supposedly Carolina does have a "life raft" and could possibly end up in either the B1G or the SEC. My preference, which I believe is the preference of most ACC fans, is to remain together in the ACC.