I am damn glad we got to have him for a year and really enjoyed watching him play, but 1 year that ended in a first round loss in the NCAA is not going to get on my all time best Tiger list, not even just guards.

This is an insane thread. If you consider CDR a guard then it's not close, Kendric can't hold CDR's jock, I'm sorry. In his last season CDR shot 58% from 2 and 41% from 3 and averaged 18/game and could go get a basket whenever. KD shot 45% from 2 and 35% from 3 and scored 22ppg because he was allowed to always have the ball and take a million shots. Rose is also better by a long shot as are Tyreke, Penny, EP.

KD is the same caliber as Joe Jackson or senior Antonio Burks, less efficient than either of those guys but scored more because he took more shots but also a lesser defender. Burks was a stud who made just as many clutch plays that year and carried us to the NCAA tournament and then that team somehow won a game even.

Y'all have been in the desert so long you've forgotten what water looks like it seems.

You can appreciate KD and all of the players you listed at the same time. Is D Rose better than KD? Of course, but for a sub 6 foot player he’s pretty incredible.

(03-19-2023 12:20 PM)jgardne Wrote:  This is an insane thread. If you consider CDR a guard then it's not close, Kendric can't hold CDR's jock, I'm sorry. In his last season CDR shot 58% from 2 and 41% from 3 and averaged 18/game and could go get a basket whenever. KD shot 45% from 2 and 35% from 3 and scored 22ppg because he was allowed to always have the ball and take a million shots. Rose is also better by a long shot as are Tyreke, Penny, EP.

KD is the same caliber as Joe Jackson or senior Antonio Burks, less efficient than either of those guys but scored more because he took more shots but also a lesser defender. Burks was a stud who made just as many clutch plays that year and carried us to the NCAA tournament and then that team somehow won a game even.

Y'all have been in the desert so long you've forgotten what water looks like it seems.

To me KDs best trait was the way he drew fouls. His shooting is somewhat inefficient, but when you can get fouled over and over again and score from the line, that is worth it.

(03-18-2023 05:13 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I am damn glad we got to have him for a year and really enjoyed watching him play, but 1 year that ended in a first round loss in the NCAA is not going to get on my all time best Tiger list, not even just guards.

Not on your list and I understand why. It’s easy for us to look back at 3-4 yr players and what they meant to the program. Going forward, fans will be fortunate to see star players for more that 1-2 years. I think when young fans of today are having this discussion 20+ years from now, he’ll be right up there. For me, we have a very long list of Tiger “greats” and he belongs in that discussion now. Tiger “phenoms” (Penny, Larry, Keith, Wilfong, Kenon, Tyreke, etc) would make for a much shorter list.

Burks ended up being very good, but he wasn’t spectacular from the beginning. He barely shot 3s his first couple seasons and not at a high clip. He must have really worked on that part of his game b/c as a senior he shot more from the outside and did it very well. His PPG went up a good bit too. Even though KD was only with Memphis for one season, he was a better scorer over the course of his career. I really enjoyed watching both players.

(03-19-2023 01:19 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  You can appreciate KD and all of the players you listed at the same time. Is D Rose better than KD? Of course, but for a sub 6 foot player he’s pretty incredible.

Rose didn’t really come on strong until after Christmas. KD has been our star player since the first game of the season. While he may not be quite as talented as Rose and not as tall, I can’t think of a single player who played his heart out more for the Tigers, almost 40 minutes a game, through pain and injury, trying to carry the team on his shoulders. He’s certainly one of the toughest and most determined players we’ve had.

Ranked in the neighborhood of Jeremiah Martin, Burks, Joe Jackson, Detric Golden. Somewhere in there

(03-20-2023 12:39 AM)dwash Wrote:  Ranked in the neighborhood of Jeremiah Martin, Burks, Joe Jackson, Detric Golden. Somewhere in there

He is better than all those but maybe Joe Jackson. Thanks again Josh.

Martins final season was comparable, espscially the way this one ended.

Davis is a terrific talent and I am glad he came here. Without him this team struggles to even have a winning record.

Time for Penny to reload via the portal.

(03-20-2023 12:39 AM)dwash Wrote:  Ranked in the neighborhood of Jeremiah Martin, Burks, Joe Jackson, Detric Golden. Somewhere in there

I put him there with Burks and Jackson

Sadly the turnover at the end kept him from being higher. I put him ahead of Martin and Golden because neither made the tourney.

(03-19-2023 12:20 PM)jgardne Wrote:  This is an insane thread. If you consider CDR a guard then it's not close, Kendric can't hold CDR's jock, I'm sorry. In his last season CDR shot 58% from 2 and 41% from 3 and averaged 18/game and could go get a basket whenever. KD shot 45% from 2 and 35% from 3 and scored 22ppg because he was allowed to always have the ball and take a million shots. Rose is also better by a long shot as are Tyreke, Penny, EP.

KD is the same caliber as Joe Jackson or senior Antonio Burks, less efficient than either of those guys but scored more because he took more shots but also a lesser defender. Burks was a stud who made just as many clutch plays that year and carried us to the NCAA tournament and then that team somehow won a game even.

Y'all have been in the desert so long you've forgotten what water looks like it seems.

I’ll agree with that somewhat. To me it’s about winning and making deep runs. It’s why I don’t put Martin or Snead on any lists. KD at least did win us an AAC tourney title. And that’s if that really means as much as it used to

(03-20-2023 10:56 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-19-2023 12:20 PM)jgardne Wrote:  This is an insane thread. If you consider CDR a guard then it's not close, Kendric can't hold CDR's jock, I'm sorry. In his last season CDR shot 58% from 2 and 41% from 3 and averaged 18/game and could go get a basket whenever. KD shot 45% from 2 and 35% from 3 and scored 22ppg because he was allowed to always have the ball and take a million shots. Rose is also better by a long shot as are Tyreke, Penny, EP.

KD is the same caliber as Joe Jackson or senior Antonio Burks, less efficient than either of those guys but scored more because he took more shots but also a lesser defender. Burks was a stud who made just as many clutch plays that year and carried us to the NCAA tournament and then that team somehow won a game even.

Y'all have been in the desert so long you've forgotten what water looks like it seems.

I’ll agree with that somewhat. To me it’s about winning and making deep runs. It’s why I don’t put Martin or Snead on any lists. KD at least did win us an AAC tourney title. And that’s if that really means as much as it used to

Okay, I get it. I was approaching the topic based on the season HE had. I would agree that having a great season as an individual doesn’t necessarily make you an “all-time Tiger”. Dujaun Wagner comes to mind. No one ever mentions him in these discussions (although he at least led us to an NIT championship).

I also don’t believe you have to be a CDR to be considered a Tiger great. CDR was exceptional.

First round flame out and only being here 1 season removes KD from consideration.

Love KD and greatly appreciate all he gave to the program.

But no. Doesn’t even make honorable mention. The last game and how it went down sealed that. I’ll remember him similar to Jeremiah Martin. Hell of a player, fun to watch, always wishing for one more year to get there.

(03-25-2023 07:02 AM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  Love KD and greatly appreciate all he gave to the program.

But no. Doesn’t even make honorable mention. The last game and how it went down sealed that. I’ll remember him similar to Jeremiah Martin. Hell of a player, fun to watch, always wishing for one more year to get there.

I’ll have to agree. I put him ahead of Martin because Davis did win us a conference tournament title

(03-20-2023 12:43 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 10:56 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-19-2023 12:20 PM)jgardne Wrote:  This is an insane thread. If you consider CDR a guard then it's not close, Kendric can't hold CDR's jock, I'm sorry. In his last season CDR shot 58% from 2 and 41% from 3 and averaged 18/game and could go get a basket whenever. KD shot 45% from 2 and 35% from 3 and scored 22ppg because he was allowed to always have the ball and take a million shots. Rose is also better by a long shot as are Tyreke, Penny, EP.

KD is the same caliber as Joe Jackson or senior Antonio Burks, less efficient than either of those guys but scored more because he took more shots but also a lesser defender. Burks was a stud who made just as many clutch plays that year and carried us to the NCAA tournament and then that team somehow won a game even.

Y'all have been in the desert so long you've forgotten what water looks like it seems.

I’ll agree with that somewhat. To me it’s about winning and making deep runs. It’s why I don’t put Martin or Snead on any lists. KD at least did win us an AAC tourney title. And that’s if that really means as much as it used to

Okay, I get it. I was approaching the topic based on the season HE had. I would agree that having a great season as an individual doesn’t necessarily make you an “all-time Tiger”. Dujaun Wagner comes to mind. No one ever mentions him in these discussions (although he at least led us to an NIT championship).

I also don’t believe you have to be a CDR to be considered a Tiger great. CDR was exceptional.

Ok here’s a question for you. Do you put him ahead of DeAndre Williams ?