(03-14-2023 05:29 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 02:10 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  The schools with similar profiles (but various degrees of basketball success) as Saint Louis that still HAVE football -- your Villanova, Dayton, Butler, San Diego, Drake, etc -- they're probably all secretly jealous of the schools who dropped it before sports became a big business.

No, they're not.

I mean they've managed the perception of their status relative to other A-10 schools, not that they've managed the perception of being Big East "ready."

(03-12-2023 11:23 PM)rtist Wrote:  There were some rumblings about UMSL going to division 1; if they started a football program, would that make them attractive to D1 conferences?

UMSL has a mediocre athletic program and is a pretty marginal commuter school with a tiny fan base in a meh part of the STL area, they are not DI caliber. Lindenwood made way more sense as a DI call-up. Had they seriously invested in athletics in the post-WWII era when the school was new and the local suburbs were less sketchy, it’s not too difficult imagining them anywhere from the OVC to MAC today.

(03-12-2023 08:09 PM)Poster Wrote:  I can’t believe that anybody would suggest that there seriously need to be more teams in FBS.

I think we need one more.

(03-14-2023 06:49 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 11:23 PM)rtist Wrote:  There were some rumblings about UMSL going to division 1; if they started a football program, would that make them attractive to D1 conferences?

UMSL has a mediocre athletic program and is a pretty marginal commuter school with a tiny fan base in a meh part of the STL area, they are not DI caliber. Lindenwood made way more sense as a DI call-up. Had they seriously invested in athletics in the post-WWII era when the school was new and the local suburbs were less sketchy, it’s not too difficult imagining them anywhere from the OVC to MAC today.

this describes like half of the new AAC adds, I think UMSL has a compelling case for D1 football.

Hey, St. Louis U invented the forward pass. Invite them on that fact alone.

(03-15-2023 11:23 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 08:09 PM)Poster Wrote:  I can’t believe that anybody would suggest that there seriously need to be more teams in FBS.

I think we need one more.

To clarify, one more would allow 15 conferences of 9 teams each. Almost perfect!

Naturally I should be allowed to pick the conferences.

(03-16-2023 08:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  Hey, St. Louis U invented the forward pass. Invite them on that fact alone.

They claim that. Notre Dame and Georgetown also have claims on this.

(03-14-2023 12:22 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  Mentioning endowment is dumb. A massive part of endowment is already earmarked for what the money gets spent on.

The biggest endowments aren't the best teams at sports. The Ivy League dominates the top endowment list, but doesn't dominate the CFP. The big schools that do spend on athletics ALSO have large endowments, but often the endowment is listed AS A SYSTEM, not an individual school.

It makes more sense for pool the money as a system because the whole point of an endowment is a really big sum of money generating interest.

It is and it isn't. I used to think it a great metric for school's athletic prowess but it isn't. it's good only when considering academic achievement. Coastal Carolina has an "endowment" of what $35M and they are about a community college in academic achievement but look what they've done in sports. They are not exactly AAU invite worthy.

(03-12-2023 07:40 PM)pablowow Wrote:  Based on the success of the attendance for basketball and the now XFL… St. Louis would be a no brainer for a FBS team.. with no pro Football(NFL) and big city … they would thrive and be a candidate for AAC in less than 10 yrs ….

Lindenwood is in the FCS and has a better chance to move up to FBS than SLU. Their bread and butter is basketball.

(03-13-2023 08:08 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Only two Catholic schools — Notre Dame and Boston College — offer FBS football.

Saint Louis U. is fine as is.

They need to worry about getting a new coach than ever thinking about football. Travis Ford ******* SUCKS.

(03-13-2023 11:09 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 10:54 AM)UVA_guy81 Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 08:52 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 08:41 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:40 PM)pablowow Wrote:  Based on the success of the attendance for basketball and the now XFL… St. Louis would be a no brainer for a FBS team.. with no pro Football(NFL) and big city … they would thrive and be a candidate for AAC in less than 10 yrs ….

NFL failed twice in St. Louis. Wonder if they'll go back.a third time. Rumors are that the NHL hasn't learned its lesson and will eventually add Atlanta as an expansion teams again in hopes that the league will lose more money.

The NFL didn't fail in St Louis. Kroenke was unable to extract enough billionaires welfare added in with the league allure of re-entering the 2nd most valuable market in the USA. They were simply the sacrificial lamb.

That and I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) he vetoed Shad Khan buying them (before he bought the Jags) which would've resulted in them staying in Saint Louis.

I have no idea but I'm not surprised if true. I vote against any and all public funding of professional sports venues. The data is clear that they bring in little tangible value for what is given out. Of course in Charlotte where ego is bigger than brain mass, if the vote fails to give the billionaires welfare, the city just finds another way to give the welfare, which has happened.

Which is why MLS CityPark is privately owned. The bill to publicly finance them failed two years prior to their entry.

(03-13-2023 11:38 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Bah gawd, that's Southern Illinois-Edwardsville's music!

I wish. Lindenwood needs another enema in football.

(03-14-2023 06:49 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 11:23 PM)rtist Wrote:  There were some rumblings about UMSL going to division 1; if they started a football program, would that make them attractive to D1 conferences?

UMSL has a mediocre athletic program and is a pretty marginal commuter school with a tiny fan base in a meh part of the STL area, they are not DI caliber. Lindenwood made way more sense as a DI call-up. Had they seriously invested in athletics in the post-WWII era when the school was new and the local suburbs were less sketchy, it’s not too difficult imagining them anywhere from the OVC to MAC today.

LU was an all women’s college in those days and came close to shutting down for good until they heavily invested in sports beginning in 1989. It also helped that a football field was already in place to start up a program due to the Big Red holding summer camps and scrimmages from the late 70’s to the early 80’s.

It’s also the second oldest institution west of the Mississippi River (1832).